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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:11 PM Original message |
REZKO: $43 million from fed, 11 bldgs in Obama's district, 5 winter Chicago weeks without heat |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. Chicago politics at their finest. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. There are some lessons one has to learn for oneself. Idealism doesn't |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. agree. Better to learn it early but it's gonna hurt |
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sunonmars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. Its an ugly scene, i'll say that |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Did anybody call to tell him about it? |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. 11 buildings in his district, he did nothing |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. He's a State Senator, not a landlord. You expect him to keep tabs on every building |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. This is the responsiblity of state Reps and state Senators absolutely |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. What a joke. This is an issue for your alderman, maybe. Not your State Sen. |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. State Senators |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Absolutely. They are not responsible for the conditions of individual buildings. |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #52 |
68. Especially when they are friends with the slumlords |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. When he got complaints, he followed up. What I'm arguing is that |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. followed up with his hand out for more $$$ and discounted real estate |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. No evidence he knew. You're talking out your ass. |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
69. Once again: |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
5. Move on. Nothing to see here. |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
36. let's not forget.. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
6. First: Did he know? Was he informed? Was he the proper person? |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Your telling me that NOT ONE person in those buildings in Obamas district |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Do you call your senator when you don't have heat? |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I've never been in that position. However, I know several people who |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
61. This was when Barack was a STATE Senator. Not U.S. Senator. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
65. A lot of people do |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #65 |
86. Do you know any who have? Or are you assuming? |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Nope |
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here_is_to_hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
74. They are called heaters, buy one...n/t |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. I can't. My apartment runs on one 15 amp fuse. It would blow the fuse. |
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here_is_to_hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. You choose to live in substandard housing and then |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Are you not familiar |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
59. What I want to know |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
71. People roasting you in 5..4...3....2...1 |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
11. So what, Rezko's tenants should have called their State Senator? You're really stretching. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I've called on my state senator when city government failed to act |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
56. Because the subject is Obama and he is PERFECT |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Why not? That's what they do. Obama didn't know what his close friend was doing? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Why would Obama be aware of the heating conditions in every building in his district? |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. "took contributions from Rezko even after his low income housing empire was collapsing" |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Non-sequitur. Answer the question. |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
15. MTP question for Obama: "As president, will you pardon Mr. Rezko?". |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. And he'd say... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. More likely response: "No." |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. I'm dying to be treated to a bit of Obama's grand oratory on that occasion. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
19. Facts: |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Real Facts |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. And is there any evidence that Obama was aware there was anything going on worse |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. "than is standard for the South Side" |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. No, I'm serious. Nobody expects him to wave his hands and fix poverty. We're asking |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Well, if he wasn't.... there is a SERIOUS problem |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Do you expect all state officials to be aware of the heating conditions in every building? |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:41 PM Original message |
Well!! As long as it was THE STANDARD, it's okay!! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
40. Obama spent his entire career attempting to raise that standard, as an advocate, a civil-rights |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. There is walking the walk, and there is talking the talk. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. And Obama walked the walk for decades. He was working as a community advocate for |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. are you kidding? "Oops I pushed the wrong button in the child welfare funding bill" |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. I'm TELLING you... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Actually, he apologized for that within minutes of it. That's taking responsibility. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Wow, $1,000, raising money for many others, worked to improve living conditions of the poor: |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Oh, forgot this, the real facts: |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
37. "Obama has been friends with Rezko for 17 years"????OMG. |
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Tulkas (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
28. Did you expect Barack to go turn on the heat? |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Two years ago |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. I don't know why you even bother... |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:50 PM Original message |
I am from the "NO MORE BONEHEADS IN THE WHITE HOUSE GROUP!" NO MO! |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
33. And what's even worse, knowing that this guy's buildings were not being |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. exactly beyond not helping his constituents, he gleefully kept his hand out |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Read above: It's OKAY because it was "THE STANDARD" |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Never said that. Rezko is clearly below the standard for the South Side. Pay attention. |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Oh. I didn't know that it was allowable for people to freeze to death in Chicago. |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Well, it was the standard so it wasn't anything to get alarmed about. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Again, I was explicitly drawing a line between the standard and between Rezko. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. What evidence do you have that he knew? Any? |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. The amusing thing is, if this same story was about Hillary Clinton |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:49 PM Original message |
Nope. I defend HRC against bullshit too. |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
66. I don't think people living in squalor and freezing is bullshit |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. Neither do I. So where's the evidence Obama knew? |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
63. As a matter of routine... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #63 |
78. So you admit you have no evidence. |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
76. Search. The internet is your friend. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. So you admit you have no evidence. You're talking out your ass. |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #79 |
94. You're hallucinating. I said no such thing. |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
58. yikes... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. So perhaps you can tell me what evidence exists |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #60 |
91. Yes there are, but there's only so many owned by the Obama campaign fundraiser |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
54. Do we need to run through.....How much crap like this goes on in NY? |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
62. Use a little common sense here. Do you think Senator Obama |
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sunonmars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. What rubbish, of course he would, he's out for himself. |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. If he'd run for president after one year in the senate, he has enough hubris for anything |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. True that |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #70 |
80. It's sad how you just don't get it. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
83. Yes, its a common mistake |
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Scriptor Ignotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
64. oh, those poor college kids |
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here_is_to_hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
73. Thats not what Ted Kennedy said! n/t |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
81. Illinois Coingate |
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itsrobert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
87. Change, We Can Freeze The Poor With |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. lol itsrobert! |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:16 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. LOL |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
92. When you got nothing but bitterness, scream REZKO. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
96. Still waiting for answers: Clinton regrets Marc Rich pardon |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
97. Cause Obama is Satan.... n/t |
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