The Kennedy comments were tepid and generic. I expected more fire.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

I was unmoved and I think most people who watch them will shrug them off as boilerplate.

Obama's resume doesn't match his rhetoric and JFK comparisons sound almost comical.

I can't see it changing a single vote.

[MadBadger]

1. You expected more fire??? You didnt watch, did you.

[havocmom]

7. Wouldn't have admitted a burning bush on the front porch

;)

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Oh, here you are, I was wondering where you went.

I guess you had to go to the store to get another crate of sour grapes.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

32. If history is any indicator, there should be about 5 more (negative) OPs forthcoming in 2-3 hours.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

35. Yep, they're already starting to fester...

[goodhue]

3. lol

eom

[Occam Bandage]

4. You didn't watch it, I assume. He was absolutely firebreathing. His voice cracked several times.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

9. It got over wrought at times but when it did it seemed forced for someone like Obama.

[Occam Bandage]

14. So it went from "tepid" to "overwrought." LMAO. Next time watch it before criticizing.

[Hutzpa]

46. Expect less from this bot

its been pre-programmed to respond in nano second.


bawahahahaha!


:rofl:

[Catherine Vincent]

5. teehee!

You're bad. :)

[BeyondGeography]

6. The absence of accompanying incendiary devices did make it a tad boring

[Avalux]

8. You should take your posts on the road as a comedy act.

They sure do give me a good laugh every day! :hi:

[Tatiana]

10. If there was any more fire, the crowd would have started evacuating.

Come on... I know you've got some objectivity somewhere.

[ecstatic]

11. Actually, I was multi-tasking with a hundred other things and even

I could tell that it was a very emotional scene.

[sunonmars]

12. hedging bets

[Occam Bandage]

15. Talking about transferring your legacy is not "hedging your bets."

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

13. I was waiting for the bottle rockets and roman candles to go off too (????)

What speech were you watching, exactly?

[EffieBlack]

16. You must have been watching an old video

The live speech *I* heard was full of fire!

I have a feeling that no matter what they did, you would still have started a "so what's the big deal?" thread.

[southern_dem]

17. Seemed pretty hot in there to me

take off the rose-colored glasses. :)

[MonkeyFunk]

18. I was hoping Prince

would open for him.

[DUyellow]

19. He said he was FIRED up and READY to go...

[Dawgs]

20. Okay, I'll bite. Who's rhetoric matches their resume?

Maybe Edwards, or Hillary?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

24. Edwards' rich/poor matches his resume and Clinton's in depth knowledge and wonk speak matches hers.

[ProSense]

21. "Obama's resume doesn't match his rhetoric and JFK comparisons sound almost comical." Here:

Obama keeps reaching rhetorical heights

Posted January 27th, 2008

But it’s also true that Barack Obama keeps delivering speeches that confound expectations and raise his stature. Last night’s acceptance speech in South Carolina was another gem.

<...>

If you watch it, pay particular attention to how Obama, with varying degrees of subtlety, not only repudiates Bush and his style of politics, but lumps Clinton in with a broken status quo, without mentioning any names.

<...>

It’s the first major speech in recent memory in which a candidate took his rival’s talking points, and used them to his advantage.

Also note, this wasn’t just pleasant talk about bringing people together. More so than after his Iowa victory, Obama pivoted to issue specifics that highlighted why he wants to bring about fundamental change, talking about healthcare, the environment, education, and the war in Iraq.

I was also struck by Obama’s ability to tie progressive ideas to patriotism.

<...>

It elicited “USA! USA!” chants, which tends to get reporters’ attention.

Whether any of this really matters remains to be seen. In about nine days, more than 20 contests will go a long way in deciding who the nominee is going to be, and in most instances, voters in those states will not have heard any of Obama’s recent speeches. Stirring oratory won’t be enough to carry him across the finish line.

Barack Obama and Foreign Policy (non Iraq)

Barack Obama and technology

Barack Obama and Health Care

Obama on HIV/AIDS

Obama Announces Rural Poverty Summit (Updated)

Obama urges alumni to help fight poverty

2004 Report on Illinois Poverty (PDF)

Barack Obama and the 50 State Strategy

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

22. If he had any more fire he would have been dousing himself with gasoline

He looked and sounded pretty fired up to me for an old man in his 70s.

[adabfree]

23. THIS IS ...

Hateration in its purest form!

your gag reflex must be awful sore...:rofl:

[mod mom]

25. You're kidding right? I worried that Sen Kennedy might jostle a clot with his passion.

[Skidmore]

26. Well it was that endorsement that had Bill on the phone losing his temper

trying to get for weeks. At best, he hoped to get a commitment to neutrality. Amazing how important it to the Clintons before today.

I hope you don't get a stomach ache from all that bile in your gut.

[book_worm]

27. do you think anybody was expecting you to say anything positive about it?

not you who starts a new thread every fifteen minutes blasting Obama.

[ShortnFiery]

28. Awe, dredging up the ghost of Lee Atwater? Kennedy's comments were awe inspiring.

You just can't help yourself, can you? :eyes:

[Occam Bandage]

29. Well, after digging up RFK's corpse for an endorsement yesterday, he does have experience

with that kind of stuff.

[cali]

30. oh, murkymurk, what a desperate and pathetic

attempt at spin. I love it. I just love, love, love your misery. Post some more whiny threads so I can continue mocking you.

[alfredo]

31. Teds speech was pretty good. It hit all the talking points that needed to

be hit.

The endorsement means a lot of actual work by Kennedy. He won't just go back to his office, he will be involved with communities where he has leverage. He will also open some wallets that have not been tapped as of yet. Mailing lists will be involved just like in the Kerry endorsement. It also sent a message to Hillary to clean up her act. She can still win, but she's been winged.

The endorsement may not mean much to the public, but it means a lot to the campaign because it opens up resources needed by the campaign.

[Occam Bandage]

34. It addressed all the Clinton talking points head on. It was nice.

[alfredo]

37. I enjoy a well crafted, well delivered speech. Both Hillary and Obama

are very good, but Obama's style comes from the Black churches. It's something he absorbed from his youth. It is part of him on a visceral level.

[THUNDER HANDS]

33. Kennedy is boring

There was no excitement in the room. People were sleeping.

[BeyondGeography]

40. Bob always gets it right

:thumbsup:

[dajoki]

36. Here is my point of view on the whole thing...

So I'll just re-post from another post I made:

I'm sorry, but this is dissapointing to me, I love Ted Kennedy, but I think he has made a mistake for a few reasons. Why did he wait so long? It now makes it look like he is jumping on the bandwagon, he could have been a leader and made an endorsement earlier, he could have taken up the mantel that his brothers so bravely fought for. There is only one candidate in this race who comes close to what JFK and RFK stood for.

"I believe that, as long as there is plenty, poverty is evil." - Robert Kennedy

"Restoring our moral authority means leading by example and making clear that the hard challenges don't frighten us. There is no better opportunity than the challenge of poverty – the great moral issue of our time." -- John Edwards

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Where there is plenty, poverty is evil
By Nora Thomason
January 20, 2008
http://www.everydaycitizen.com/2008/01/where_there_is_p ...

[Occam Bandage]

38. Without meaning to cause offense, there is nobody in America

with a better view of what RFK and JFK stood for than Ted Kennedy--and there few indeed who have had a closer look at what John Edwards is really about than his former colleagues in the Senate.

[dajoki]

43. None taken...

And you are correct about Ted's view, but I believe he has gotten lost in the frenzy. And as far as Edwards, I think his campaign speaks for itself, it has given hope to the hopeless. Why do you think there so many here and around the country still battling for him to be heard? His candidacy may be a lost cause but his message must remain part of the debate.

Now, with all that said, I will enthusiastically support our party's nominee in the GE. It is the only chance we have, to become united!!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

39. Good point about waiting until now. If you're going to compare to JFK you should be on board day 1

had not thought of that butyou're right.

[Occam Bandage]

42. On Day 1, few knew that much about him.

[dajoki]

45. Yet you say in other post...

that Edwards colleagues in the Senate should know what he is about. Same goes for Obama, so Kennedy should have known since day 1. Sorry, can't have it both ways.

Without meaning to cause offense, there is nobody in America
with a better view of what RFK and JFK stood for than Ted Kennedy--and there few indeed who have had a closer look at what John Edwards is really about than his former colleagues in the Senate.

[Occam Bandage]

47. But as P2BA proudly points out, Obama

only was in the Senate for "one year" before he started campaigning for President; Edwards had a full term.

[dajoki]

48. So your saying...

Obama's time in the Senate after started campaining doesn't count? then you have to take into consideration that Edwards was only in the Senate for a short while before he started campaigning for President in '04 also. And don't forget, Edwards gave up his seat to try to become President, something Lieberman, Hillary and Obama didn't do, they all hedged their bets, Edwards didn't.

I do not want to argue with you, after all I will be supporting Obama if he becomes our nominee, so I do not want to say anything negative about him, the Repubs can do that on their own. If he is our nominee he will need full support from all of us and I will gladly do what I can to help him become our next Presidemt.

[dajoki]

44. Exactly n/t

[milkyway]

41. Do the Clintons pay you by the pound? You're robotic in your absence of thought.