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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:47 PM
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Rodriguez/LAT: Clinton's Latino Spin is Divisive and False
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 02:52 PM by BeyondGeography
Clinton's Latino spin

The Clinton campaign's assertion that Latinos historically haven't voted for black candidates is divisive -- and false.

January 28, 2008

If a Hillary Clinton campaign official told a reporter that white voters never support black candidates, would the media have swallowed the message whole? What if a campaign pollster began whispering that Jews don't have an "affinity" for African American politicians? Would the pundits have accepted the premise unquestioningly?

A few weeks ago, Sergio Bendixen, a Clinton pollster and Latino expert, publicly articulated what campaign officials appear to have been whispering for months. In an interview with Ryan Lizza of the New Yorker, Bendixen explained that "the Hispanic voter -- and I want to say this very carefully -- has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates."

The spin worked. For the last several weeks, it's been on the airwaves (Tucker Carlson, "Hardball," NPR), generally tossed off as if it were conventional wisdom. And it has shown up in sources as far afield as Agence France-Presse and the London Daily Telegraph, which wrote about a "voting bloc traditionally reluctant to support black candidates."

The spin also helped shape the analysis of the Jan. 19 Nevada caucus, in which Clinton won the support of Latino voters by a margin of better than 2 to 1. Forget the possibility that Nevada's Latino voters may have actually preferred Clinton or, at the very least, had a fondness for her husband; pundits embraced the idea that Latino voters simply didn't like the fact that her opponent was black.

But was Bendixen's blanket statement true? Far from it, and the evidence is overwhelming enough to make you wonder why in the world the Clinton campaign would want to portray Latino voters as too unrelentingly racist to vote for Barack Obama.

University of Washington political scientist Matt Barreto has compiled a list of black big-city mayors who have received broad Latino support over the last several decades. In 1983, Harold Washington pulled 80% of the Latino vote in Chicago. David Dinkins won 73% in New York in 1989. And Denver's Wellington Webb garnered more than 70% in 1991, as did Ron Kirk in Dallas in 1995 and then again in 1997 and 1999.

He could have also added that longtime Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley won a healthy chunk of the Latino vote in 1973 and then the clear majority in his mayoral reelection campaigns of 1977, 1981, 1985 and 1989.

Here in L.A., all three black members of Congress represent heavily Latino districts and ultimately couldn't survive without significant Latino support. Five other black House members represent districts that are more than 25% Latino -- including New York's Charles Rangel and Texan Al Green -- and are also heavily dependent on Latino voters.

So, given all this evidence, why did this notion get repeated so nonchalantly? For one, despite the focus on demographic changes in America, journalists' ignorance of the aspirations of Latino America is pretty remarkable. They just don't know much about the biggest minority in the nation. And two, no Latino organizations function in the way that, say, the Anti-Defamation League does for Jewish Americans. In other words, you can pretty much say whatever you want about Latinos without suffering any political repercussions.

Unlike merely "exuberant" supporters, whose mushy grasp of facts Clinton has explained by saying they can sometimes be "uncontrollable," pollsters such as Bendixen most certainly work -- and speak -- at the whim and in the pay of the candidate.

So what would the Clinton campaign have to gain from spreading this misinformation? It helps undermine one of Obama's central selling points, that he can build bridges and unite Americans of all types, and it jibes with the Clinton strategy of pigeon-holing Obama as the "black candidate." (Witness Bill Clinton's statement last week that his wife might lose South Carolina because of Obama's growing black support.)

But the social costs of the Clintons' strategy might end up being higher than the country is willing to pay. According to Stanford Law professor Richard Thompson Ford, who just published "The Race Card: How Bluffing About Bias Makes Race Relations Worse," such political stunts can be "self-fulfilling prophecies."

"It could make black voters more hostile to Latinos," he said. "And Latinos who hear it might think that they somehow ought to be at odds with blacks. These kinds of statements generate interracial tensions."

At the Democratic presidential debate in Nevada, Tim Russert asked Clinton whether the New Yorker quote represented the view of her campaign. "No, he was making a historical statement," she said. "And, obviously, what we're trying to do is bring America together so that everybody feels like they're involved and they have a stake in the future."

Really?

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-rodriguez28jan28,0,5950176.column
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:48 PM
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1. Si se puede.
:kick:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:51 PM
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2. Claro
My wife and I are not Obama supporters, but our two voting age kids are.

Just shows the dangers of overgeneralizing.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:56 PM
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4. Ridiculo in the extreme. n/t
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adabfree Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:02 PM
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11. YOUR SITUATION
SPEAKS more about generation than race...good for you and your kids
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:30 AM
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33. The media successfully makes what they say a HC camapign accusation.
Hillary and her campaign workers get the blame for every foul thing that the media pundits allege. I have not heard one divisive word from Hillary about the Hispanic vote. This shit is so unfair, it make me weep.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:03 AM
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35. This is from an OP/ED by an Obama supporter
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 09:06 AM by niceypoo
With no evidence whatsoever

Typical Obamaite race baiting

http://www.bendixenandassociates.com/press/0701_washingtonpost.html">As always, 23 seconds worth of research (His own website) shows Bendixon to be leaning more toward Obama than Hillary whom he calls 'status quo'.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:43 PM
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36. I have deep respect for Senator Clinton
My remark was intended to debunk the statement, nothing more.

Although she is not my first choice for the nomination, she is a good choice in her own right.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:51 PM
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3. The only one injecting race here...
is the media.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:59 PM
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6. Give it up. The party leadership came down on Bill Clinton in the
last few days and this probably wasn't even his idea.

Can we get this discussion on a more productive footing already?
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:59 PM
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7. so it wasn't clinton's "pollster and Latino expert"
who said that latinos don't vote for african americans? how odd.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:00 PM
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10. Do you have a name? I'd love to track that down and write about it. n/t
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:05 PM
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13. Sergio Bendixen, in the article above
see Frenchie Cat's post below mine
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:06 PM
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14. Thanks / sorry, scanning too fast ahead of clocking in.
:hi:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:00 PM
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9. Are Hillary campaign operatives part of the media?
A few weeks ago, Sergio Bendixen, a Clinton pollster and Latino expert, publicly articulated what campaign officials appear to have been whispering for months. In an interview with Ryan Lizza of the New Yorker, Bendixen explained that "the Hispanic voter -- and I want to say this very carefully -- has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates."
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:05 PM
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12. Isn't access all they need?
Jesus, Joseph and Mary, I'm SO disappointed in the Clinton campaign.

That they needed to resort to this is just horrendous. It degrades the achievements of BOTH Clintons as well as our public political discourse.

Are they BOTH on drugs? Why in the name of pete are they doing this? It will only come back to bite them.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:09 PM
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18. The only weapons they know how to use are the weapons they use to battle with repugs. It's been sad.
Like KO said, watching Bill is like watching Willie Mays in the 1973 World Series, a shell of his former self.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:13 PM
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22. I met Mays in 1973. Keith is right. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:25 AM
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29. Bingo
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:56 PM
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5. Clintons to Latinos: Your kind of people are not supposed to vote for black candidates.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:00 PM
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8. You have to wonder who the genius was who came up with that
and who was too stupid to know how many Latinos are also black?

lol
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:07 PM
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16. What other candidate and her husband would pit one minority group against another to achieve
their own political aims?

this is a Rethorical question, of course!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:10 PM
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What we all get to enjoy is that Junior's STFU speech tonight
has already been eclipsed.

:toast:
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:38 PM
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28. It's foul for any candidate to pitch any racial group against another.
The "Southern strategy" involved getting whites to vote for whites that disfavored rights for blacks. It was basically, Vote against blacks because you're white.

It's no less unprogressive to say that people from any racial group should vote for or against a candidate because of the candidate's race.

So it's good that it's a rhetorical question, because I can think of two candidates in this race that have done precisely that.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:07 PM
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15. Um, CNN ran a piece yesterday basically saying that there are tensions...
between African-Americans and Latinos, but now the blame once again will be put squarely on the Clinton camp (just as I assumed). They had Earl Ofari Hutchinson, who wrote a book called "The Latino Challenge to Black America: Towards a Conversation between African-Americans and Hispanics" commenting on the divide.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:11 PM
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20. I thank the Clinton campaign for its reparative strategy toward
the "tensions" between blacks and latinos.

Ever the public servants.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:08 PM
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17. Another distortion. Anyone surprised?
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:10 PM
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19. A white woman's campaign says that latinos don't like blacks. What hubris.
Mark Penn and James Carville and Bill Clinton have made me sick.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:12 PM
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21. They've pushed me from dislike to activism.
They're good at something, anyway.
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janetblond Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:32 PM
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24. Anybody listen to WMAL last Sunday?
WMAL (radio) is in Wash DC.
Last Sunday, the commentator gave an hour to latinos, who could call in and say who they were voting for. You'd have thought you were listening to Neil Boortz!
Many said they would vote for McCain before they'd vote for a black.
Some proceeded to say how much they hate blacks because blacks are .... blah, blah, blah (stereotypes).
One man said he came to the U.S. illegally to do work blacks were too lazy to do.
THIS WAS ON THE RADIO!!! (yes, WMAL IS a right-wing talk radio station)
Sunday Janury 20th 2008! Between 3-4pm.
It was pretty sickening. Even the radio commentator said he was shocked.
Just goes to show how much damage the Dems did to THEMSELVES when they passed the Telecommunications Act of 1996.
All these g*d-awful talk radio shows are the same ... all right-wing, all the time ... regardless of ethnicity.




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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:48 PM
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26. My family is 50% Latino here in California. We are all voting for Obama.
How shocked will the Clintons be when their race-baiting fails.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 04:34 PM
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27. ummmmmm it's a RW hate radio station
kinda a self-selecting group of haters, n'est-ce pas?
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:14 PM
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23. Isn't it true
that Latinos grounded in experience from their countries of origin are more savvy and practical than to fall for spin that easily? They come from traditions where oppressive politics is much more ruthless and reality bites. The reasons they might like the Clintons might be more easily won over by the pragmatic issue appeal that is Hillary's strong point. This is just plain desperate risk of alienation. You really have to wonder who is paying the GOP strategists working for the Clintons. At the least they are feathering their beds in both parties with work like this.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:42 PM
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25. Billary's spin is Divisive and False
Do they know any other kind of spin in the Clintonista camp?
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:29 AM
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30. ...
Kick. Clintons again just trying to be divisive.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:06 AM
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31. Great article! Here in NYC African Americans and Latinos (Puerto Ricans) are closely allied
politically, live in the same neighborhoods and intermarry. I thought the comment the Clinton camp made was ludicrous and I'm glad the Latino community is calling them on their bullshit.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:26 AM
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32. What's really worrisome is that the Dem nominee
will be fighting the pukes with one alienated segment. The Clinton's with the blacks either sitting out the election, or even voting puke to send a message.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:33 AM
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34. That makes me feel better. We are all one big family of People and
I'm glad Clinton was wrong.
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