I think I am more worried about the Couple who pardoned Marc Rich, thank you very much

[beachmom]

Marc Rich was part of a system that brought us 9/11, Pakistan the Bomb, and Saddam Hussein weapons after Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurds. That financial system was BCCI, and if you think it belongs in history, you need to read the report. Don't forget that Osama bin Laden had an account there and AQ Khan used it as a slush fund to give away nuclear secrets.


http://fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/index.html

Too bad Bill Clinton threw the BCCI report in the garbage when he entered office in 1993, and then later pardoned one of the figures that needed to be investigated:

http://fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/24appendic.htm

9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.

Don't forget that Marc Rich's lawyer to get him his pardon from President Clinton was Scooter Libby.

I would have rather that Obama never met Rezko nor received money from him. But please show me where Obama acted unscrupulously in his public life because of this donor. I have seen nothing. Meanwhile, I have direct evidence above of what the Clintons do for their "associates".

[papau]

1. Fact free - just like the BCCI mention - he got a loan, sold commodities, sold oil - but crime was

tax accounting - the same tax accounting that our major oil companies used - where they had no criminal charges and just a very large fine for following Big 8 advice of the day, Reagan refused a fine resolution - a bit like the AGs under Bush being "team players" - the gov hot dog being our current friend Rudy.



9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.

meanwhile, "Did Obama make that 2002 speech as a favor for Rezko and his Arab friends" - that question won't be

asked until after the nomination convention - but the swiftboat ads I am sure are being made as I write.

[beachmom]

3. He was a named figure in the BCCI report in the section

"Matters for further investigation"

He needed to be investigated. They nailed him on the tax fraud. But Clinton wouldn't ALLOW any further investigation of him when he pardoned him.

[papau]

25. As if the GOP were not out to help Rudy with his big case - they didn't need squat from the gov to

fund out if there was more there

[karynnj]

43. That is beyond ridiculous

Are you seriously saying that a brilliant, perceptive speech warning of the dangers of invading Iraq, when there was no proven cause was done as a favor to "Arab friends"? I think that the fact that he was right is sufficient cover.

Rich was out of the country and never tried. Like Al Copone, the first charge that was made was a securities fraud charge. Note that Kerry says investigation is needed - not that you need an indictment. That investigation did not occur. Remember Clinton excused it saying the PM of Israel backed the pardon. (Remember Israel was one party in the arms dealings of Iran/Contra)

[robbedvoter]

2. Let's go to the Bush manufactured scandals now...

[beachmom]

6. Wow, I provide real proof of what they did and you call it

"manufactured". Are you questioning a government report?

[MonkeyFunk]

4. a couple pardoned Marc Rich?

Lemme go check my constitution...

[Debi]

5. Remember she was a close advisor to the President....

except when being a close advisor to the President doesn't help her campaign x(

[MonkeyFunk]

11. Bill Clinton had many close advisors

how many of them pardoned Marc Rich?

[Debi]

26. Oh, that's right - Hillary Clinton knew nothing about the Marc Rich pardon

google at your leisure...:eyes:

[MonkeyFunk]

39. It doesn't matter who was "involved"

only one person has the power to pardon. To say "the couple who pardoned Marc Rich" is just ignorant.

[Bread and Circus]

28. That's the thing exactly. Hillary et al want all the credit and the "experience"

of whatever was good about the 90's but then just act like their's no connection with anything bad.

To Clinton and her supporters: YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS

[MonkeyFunk]

40. Simple question

according to the constitution, who has the power to grant pardons?

[Bread and Circus]

48. You can't have it both ways. Sorry. Cherry picking credit for things

even Bill Clinton sometimes claim credit for just because they happened in the 90's is lame.

All I ask is Hillary Rodham Clinton stand on her OWN experience, record, and rhetoric. Not her husbands.

[beachmom]

8. Please do. I believe it is an issue in this election as well.

[MonkeyFunk]

13. OK

I just checked - my memory was correct.

Only one person can issue pardons. Nothing at all about couples doing so.

[liberalmuse]

I was unaware that Hillary was running the country along w/Bill.

Things you learn. I'll not say a word against Bill Clinton. He was the best President we've had since Kennedy. Dems sure know how to eat their own. It's disgusting.

[Kucinich4America]

24. Well, you have two choices with that one: Either she was helping Bill run the country

Or her claims of "experience" are complete and total bullshit.

So which is it?

[ErnestoG]

36. Sen. Clinton sure thought so....

"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president." - then First Lady Hillary Clinton

[styersc]

7. You mentioned that you wish Obama had never met Rezko or

taken money from him. DO you also wish that when Rezko had not purchased the expensive lot near Obama's home in order to secure the real estate deal for Obama and then sell it to the young Senator for far less then he paid for it, a gift of an expensive piece of real estate?

Obama did not just cash a campaign check- he and Rezko were partners in a real estate putchase that was designed to garner Obama an expensive estate at far less then its value.

[beachmom]

12. He has been found of no wrong doing. He cast no vote, wrote no law,

made no action in the legislature or U.S. Senate as a result of the donations or this house deal.

THAT is the only point.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. and there's no legal issue around the Marc Rich pardon

the pardon power is absolute. Presidents can pardon anybody they want. It's not subject to review.

[beachmom]

17. There IS a quid pro quo issue with it, wouldn't you agree?

[MonkeyFunk]

20. You don't think

the Clinton's enemies have checked into this in the intervening 8 years?

We're still learning more about Rezko - perhaps you should re-order your concerns.

[jillan]

9. Rush, is that you?

make sure you bring up Vince Foster too.

[beachmom]

15. So now you don't even care about Kerry's important work on BCCI?

You're not bothered by that pardon?

Um, Bush punted on the Marc Rich affair. He refused to investigate it when he came into the WH. The Right only talked about Denise Rich. They NEVER talked about BCCI. Please show me where Rush Limbaugh EVER talked about BCCI to shoot down Bill Clinton.

[sandnsea]

19. Oh please the Clintons are corrupt to the core

Hsu, Trie, Chung, Huang. Then there's the Chatwal Indian business connection.

The funny thing is when you look at the picture of the Clintons and Rezko, it appears the Clintons knew him before Obama did.

Nobody should be supporting them. We're as blind as the Bushbots if we do.

[MonkeyFunk]

22. And they must be good at it!

70 million (and that's just PUBLIC money!) spent investigating them and they turned up nothing. Then we'll never know how many tens of millions were spent privately trying to pin something on them. Again, nothing.

[sandnsea]

27. The people mentioned have been indicted

and/or convicted. Rezko is ONE. I don't expect to find a boat load of slime connected to him. I expect to find a port next to the Clintons.

And as someone who watched small state, Montana politics for 20 years, puhleeze. I've seen too many politicians leave office wealthy who were as poor as church mice just a few years before.

[MonkeyFunk]

33. You're every bit as bad as the freepers

when it comes to this.

AFter being investigated like no other couple in history, they came up clean, and you still insist they're crooked. It's a matter of faith, not evidence.

[sandnsea]

35. And there's no evidence Bush stole Florida either

But he did.

I'm just saying that this is ONE on Obama. I'm not even going to try to justify it because it's stupid to get involved with someone who is under investigation.

The Clintons, on the other hand, have a boat load of Rezko's connected to them and I'll be damned if I let anybody pretend they don't.

And don't call me a freeper. In fact, you need to apologize.

[MonkeyFunk]

41. nobody spent 70 million investigating the Florida election

[sandnsea]

45. Hillary was in the Senate

Why didn't she get it done?

[MonkeyFunk]

34. And why does it appear the Clintons knew Rezko

before Obama did?

Obama's known him for 17 years. The Clinton picture was taken 11 years ago.

[sandnsea]

37. I thought it was earlier than that n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

42. so you just make shit up

without checking it. And I'm supposed to believe your crazy conspiracy theories about the Clintons?

[sandnsea]

44. Note the words "it appears"

which indicates opinion, as opposed to specific names, indictments, and convictions, which indicate fact.

[burythehatchet]

23. You know, this calling people the names of the despised opposition

is really tiresome. Why not respond to the factual presentation?

[Tarc]

47. Perhaps when you and your buddies MAKE a factual presentation

Then maybe others here will consider responding in kind. When confronted with this innuendo-laden bullshit, you'll get exactly what you deserve in response.

[burythehatchet]

49. was I talkin' to you numbnuts?

[ProSense]

10. "$450,000 donation to his library...before he granted Rich a pardon for tax evasion in 2001"

Clinton has also been challenged by members of Congress for accepting a reported $450,000 donation to his library from the former wife of fugitive financier Marc Rich before he granted Rich a pardon for tax evasion in 2001. Neither Clinton nor the Rich family confirmed the donation.

link

[Tarc]

16. What a twisted, steaming pile of shit

So Clinton is tangled up in allowing 9/11 and WMDs to Iraq now? My god what will the desperate and hysterical Obamabots dredge up next;

- http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp">The Clinton Body count?
- http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/panthers.asp">Hillary and the Black Panthers
- http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm">Clinton soft on terrorists?

the lot of you has now officially out-crazied the Free Republic. Congrats. :eyes:

[beachmom]

18. Oh, no, if you check Freeperville, they try to pin BCCI on Kerry,

the guy who actually investigated it.

Wow, so everyone is JUST FINE with the pardon of Marc Rich orchestrated by Scooter Libby?

Okay, just thought everyone should know the truth.

[Tarc]

29. Rather disingenuous response there

This wasn't just about a simple pardon, you tried to taint Clinton with Hussein, WMDs, and 9/11. That is some of the vilest propaganda seen here yet.

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. And straight from Freeperville, no doubt.

Geezus. The crap in here is getting deep.

[politicasista]

21. K&R

:kick:

[CorpGovActivist]

30. Long-Term Political Memory KICK AND REC!!! n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. Hillary killed Vince Foster too and she's a LESBIAN!!!!1!!1!! I'm SERIES!1!!!!!!

:rofl: This is really getting to be pathetic and I've only been in this forum for a day! I've never seen such childish, immature bullshit in a campaign. If you want to attack someone why don't you try attacking GEORGE BUSH! Or maybe one of the REPUKE candidates?:think: What a novel idea.:eyes:

[niceypoo]

38. More republican talking points

The republicans still go on and on and on about this one.

[ProSense]

46. Clinton regrets Marc Rich pardon

Clinton regrets Marc Rich pardon