i'm sorry but Ted Kennedy does not represent change..he's a lightning rod for the

[cloud75]

right and a big reason why this country is so divided.

[DJ13]

1. ".he's a lightning rod for the right and a big reason why this country is so divided."

So are the Clintons.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

35. Democrats are not the cause of the country being divided!

ever heard of the GOP?

[fascisthunter]

2. So You Think It's Better to Go Back to that Middle because of Fear of the GOP?

I'd rather align myself with a lightning rod, than a stamp of approval.

[jackson_dem]

6. How is Obama less of a centrist than Hillary?

[fascisthunter]

9. This isn't an Obama Supporter You are Addressing

[cali]

3. lol. Ted Kennedy is not the reason this country is divided

and no one said he represents change.

[TheDeathadder]

14. I think the agreement is for most...

...who point out contrast in Obama's record is that Obama says he wants to break away from the establishment but has plenty of the past 20/30 years of government's core establishment who are working for him and helping with his political career.

[jackson_dem]

4. And who is more establishment than Kennedy?

He is a great progressive but he is the ultimate Washington insider who represents the past.

[Clarkansas]

7. The Clintons are.

Why do you ask?

[jackson_dem]

10. Kennedy was a colossus in Washington when Hillary and Bill were in school

The reason I note it is because Obama pretends he is running as an anti-establishment candidate. Look at who all the (corporate owned) newspaper endorsements are going to. It's like magic!

[Clarkansas]

Your argument

is pretty bad, but whatever.

[jackson_dem]

19. Why is it bad? Let's see a "good" argument in response

[jenmito]

27. Obama is not the "establishment" and having "establishment" politicians endorse him gives him

credibility which may be lacking in some voters' opinions. And Ted is endorsing Obama because Obama reminds him of JFK, just the same reason CAROLINE Kennedy is endorsing him. You DO know the Clintons were trying hard to get his endorsement, right? And THEY'RE running on "change," too.

[jackson_dem]

30. He is part of the establishment

He is one of 100 members of the world's most exclusive club.

I don't care who Caroline endorsed. What political credentials does she have? Ted's endorsement means a great deal to me, though.

Everyone knows the Clintons are the establishment. Obama runs as against the establishment when he is very much a part of it. He has fooled many folks into believing he will "change" the establishment.

[jenmito]

32. Weak comeback!

So Kucinich is part of the establishment for being in Congress?

It doesn't matter whether you care or not who Caroline endorsed. Both she and Ted are "passing the torch" of their direct relative to Obama. That relative is JFK, who was inspirational, too. THAT'S the point.

[cloud75]

34. the only establishment the past 7 years has been bush/repukes

so any democrat will be mean change wake up people

[fascisthunter]

12. Well... Bush is

and those in that middle have capitulated to him.

[cali]

13. He's part of the LIBERAL establisment, which I'd like to see become

the strongest column of the establishment.

[DesertFlower]

16. and might i say he represented

very well. past and present

[Maven]

No one, really.

As far as the Democratic establishment is concerned.

[Clarkansas]

5. sour

grapes

[ErnestoG]

8. Grapae Sourae

I always wonder what would have to occur for Democrats to start sliming the Senator with the longest liberal voting record in Congress.

Lawd, my question has been answered!

[sfam]

11. Wew! Good thing Kennedy didn't endorse Hillary then, ey?

Sour grapes I'm thinking...

[jenmito]

15. JFK represented change. And that's who Ted Kennedy is comparing Obama to.

And THAT'S why he endorsed Obama. :eyes:

[jackson_dem]

31. JFK had almost no policy differences with his (Republican) rival Nixon

Sound familiar? ;)

[jenmito]

33. Then can you explain why the Clintons were so desperate to get Ted's endorsement?

:)

[jackson_dem]

39. Because they thought they could get it due to the similarities on policy?

[jenmito]

41. Uh, no. She voted for the war unlike Ted Kennedy. And TK didn't like the way

Bill was smearing Obama with the old-time politics.

[jackson_dem]

42. So did the guy TK endorsed in 2004

Hillary and Obama are similar on policy. If he endorsed TK he would be willing to endorse Hillary. He objected to her tactics, not her policies except for her IWR vote, which he didn't complain about when campaigning for Kerry in the primaries last time.

[jenmito]

43. Did he say he was inspired by Kerry? Did he say Kerry reminded him of his brother?

There's more to being a president than their political policies. There's a WORLD of difference re: the characters of Hillary and Obama. And yes, he objected to her tactics. That's not a trivial thing. Obama, unlike Hillary, inspires people, including Ted and Caroline Kennedy. THAT'S not a trivial thing. It's more than just the difference on their judgements on the war.

[jackson_dem]

44. I don't remember the specifics but he was obviously talking about how great Kerry was

Why do Obamites act as if Obama has a monopoly on inspiration? He has a minority of delegates. There is a reason for it.

[jenmito]

46. You don't remember the specifics.

So don't talk about what you don't KNOW about. You're going to tell me Kerry was inspirational? Obama has more delegates than Hillary. Superdelegates, even committed ones, can change their minds, so you're wrong. Obama has the most delegates. There's a reason for it.

And stop with the "Obamites" bull. If you continue to disrespect me I won't respond to you anymore. :eyes:

[jackson_dem]

47. Kerry "inspired" more Democrats in 2004 than Obama is now

[jenmito]

48. I'm glad you put inspired in quotes.

He got Dems. to the polls in order to vote against Bush. He was hardly an inspirational figure like Obama.

[jackson_dem]

49. He won 46 primaries!

[sniffa]

17. I'm sorry, but these threads are asinine at best.

:thumbsdown:

bye

[EFerrari]

28. You've just insulted asses everywhere!

[CreekDog]

18. but but but I thought Hillary was a lightning rod?

just sayin'.

i just wonder what people would be saying today had Hillary bagged the endorsement instead of Obama.

[JVS]

24. Democratic Royalty passes crown to new dynasty

That's what they'd be saying

[robbedvoter]

20. He's the NCLB man to me and my family.

[ProSense]

25. Hillary Clinton is Cluster Bomb lady to my family! n/t

She is a scourge on decency!

[arendt]

21. Ted Kennedy is the last real, original liberal in the party. Insult him at your peril.

Teddy isn't a lightning rod anymore. He is "a senior statesman". He has more than made up for the messes that Jack, Bobby, and Chappaquidick left for him.

Teddy Kennedy is a great American and a great Democrat.

Who are you?

arendt

[no name no slogan]

22. Paul Wellstone was a lighting rod, too. But he was RESPECTED

Why? Because he stood up for his principals and didn't triangulate his way out of an unpopular position.

We need more people like Ted Kennedy in politics, not less.

[cloud75]

36. he never ran for president...that makes a big difference

when you are talking about how big of a lightning rod one can be.

[no name no slogan]

38. Well, Reagan was a lightning rod, too, if you want to talk Presidents

He stuck to what he (thought) he believed in. And he won the biggest re-election in American history in 1984.

[stray cat]

23. Even the left wing and independents and a few Republicans support Obama

nothing wrong with a broad base of support... and John F. Kennedys daughter comparing you to her father.

[ErnestoG]

29. I wonder if Hillary can say that?

[EFerrari]

26. This is a joke, right?

[Bitwit1234]

37. And you see more and more it being divided because of the

other candidate.

[City Lights]

40. What a pant load.

:eyes:

[2hip]

45. Shhhhhhhhh.........

The Clinton and Obama camps aren't interested in worrying about Electability. Don't try to wake them up...they're often times cranky without their naps.


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