AP: Corrects handshake story!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[debatepro]

No Chitchat Between Clinton and Obama

By LAURIE KELLMAN – 40 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — So close, yet so far away — and so bitter.

Rival Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama came within a foot of each other just before President Bush's State of the Union speech Monday night and managed not to acknowledge each other, and certainly not touch.

Clinton, clad in scarlet, crossed the aisle between their seats on the House floor. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, the Democratic icon who had endorsed Obama earlier in the day over Clinton, reached out his hand when she came close.

She took it; they shook. Meanwhile, Obama, dressed in a dark suit, had turned away.

The rivals then retreated to their seats, only the aisle and four senators between them.

It was the latest chapter in the increasingly nasty fight between the two leading candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination and capped a dramatic day.

Hours earlier, Obama received the endorsements of Kennedy and Caroline Kennedy, the brother and daughter, respectively, of President John F. Kennedy. They were joined by Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-R.I., the senator's son.

The only Republican senator still running, John McCain of Arizona, skipped the address to campaign in Florida.

(This version CORRECTS the sequence of handshake.)


So Obama was giving them room!!!

[polichick]

1. How exactly is this different from the original story?? nt

[okasha]

7. It isn't.

n/t

[neutron]

46. maybe Kennedy is

having second thoughts about this guy being
Whitehouse ready?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

25. It's not, it makes it clear Obama bitterly turned away

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. Why would Obama be bitter today? He's the one who got Ted's, Caroline's and Patrick's endorsements

:crazy:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

34. Meanwhile Clinton went to Florida and won it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. OOPS!

That wasn't suppose to happen. Is there a media frenzy about her win yet or will they wait until tomorrow to shower her with accolades?

[democrat2thecore]

40. Hmm...can't find that 'bitterly' part. You haven't STARTED A THREAD about it?? SHOCK! -nt

[Tellurian]

2. Room to reach out HIS hand?

:rofl:

[napi21]

23. Awe comeon. SHE crossed the aisle to THEM. Perhapse the

media is making more out of this than is warranted, but it appears Hillary made the first move. I think, since there's no video, we'll never know if Barack was preoccupied with something else, turned because he felt he wasn't part of a conversation, or is pissed enough that he didn't want to shake her hand.

[Tellurian]

28. The photo is self-explanatory..

Teddy stretched his hand out to Hillary, Obama turned away. Bad Move on his part. He should have been gracious and stretched his hand out as well. Looks like some form of guilt to me.

[neutron]

44. He has a lot to be ashamed of

the way his people are smearing Clinton in the blogs.

[Tellurian]

56. One thing to always remember..

The Clintons are teflon coated...nothing actually sticks. Obama is try to copy that as well. He hasn't quite mastered the formula yet. It's really simple. Nothing sticks when you tell the Truth.

I was amazed tonight to hear Doris Kearns Goodwin on PBS actually admit Hillary was right about MLK and president Johnson; and that it was the Obama campaign that turned it into a Clinton racial smear..

[napi21]

45. I guess the only reason I feel the pic doesn't tell the whole story is

because that kind of action is so out of character for him. I'm still not decided on who I'm going o vote for, so I'm not siding with either candidate here. I know snapshots can look ike one thing and really be something completely different. The impression I had of Barack just doesn't fit that kind of action.

[Tellurian]

53. No one really knows who Obama is.. so relax..

the show is just beginning. Take what you do know definitely about him and connect the dots.

[jbnow]

58. A still photo doesn't tell us much

We'd have to see a tape and I guess there isn't one.
But it was reported that Clare McCaskill was seated right there and he was talking to her. She is in his national ad, he had campaigned for her 2006 run...so as far as we know he was turned to respond.
Clinton and Kennedy are just reaching for each others hand, she is looking at Kennedy...Obama wouldn't have his hand out then anyway.

It's like a quote out of context, you just can't tell the meaning. I always look up the full quote before I accept an excerpt. (The press likes to make drama!)

But symbolically it's a quite a picture.

[ErnestoG]

3. HA. Thought so.

[onehandle]

4. Uh...Link? nt

[tammywammy]

6. link

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080129/ap_on_el_pr/state_of_union_clinton_obama

[Connie_Corleone]

8. Here it is

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iwAZfoVaIxMG3gK2KY4tpS9QN0NQD8UFA9K80

[Connie_Corleone]

5. It doesn't matter. Hillary supporters will still call him a pig, sexist and an asshole.

[Tarc]

9. What part of "Obama had turned away" confuses you?

[Kittycat]

11. Obama HAD turned away, not "Obama turned away"

[EFerrari]

17. What part of the past tense confuses you?

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[alittlelark]

29. uhhh 'one of the regular trolls emerges'....

hmmmm, you w/ 900 posts in 4-5 years vs 'a poster we all know well'....


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Tarc]

37. quality > quantity

Post count isn't valued much here, which is why it caps at "1000+". Good system, as it eliminates the "OMG I HAVE 5432 POSTS AND YOU ONLY HAVE 5400 N00B" nonsense seen on many other forums.

Well, almost eliminates... :eyes:

Given the amount of Obama hysteria tonight as they try to squelch any and all discussion of Handshake-gate, I should hit my 1000+ in an hour or so. Time-consuming work it is, deflating your cronies' ridiculousness.

[alittlelark]

42. uh,...... yeah, whatever

You've been pegged.

[Tarc]

47. I have?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegging_%28sexual_practice%29

I didn't even know we were dating. :loveya:

[alittlelark]

49. You are embarassing and obvious.....

Please go away.

[Tarc]

50. Hill-haters have no sense of humor, apparently.

Shucks.

[alittlelark]

51. I can't believe you are still here.

DU is generous to a fault!

[LVjinx]

59. Post count

"Post count isn't valued much here, which is why it caps at "1000+". Good system, as it eliminates the "OMG I HAVE 5432 POSTS AND YOU ONLY HAVE 5400 N00B" nonsense seen on many other forums."

Yeah.. and my post count says zero and I've been here for years and years... What gives!!!

[EFerrari]

43. My "boy"? Yes, *I* am a notorius DU troll.

[tammywammy]

54. Seriously? You're calling sfexpat a troll

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[City Lights]

10. You were right.

;-)

[Quixote1818]

12. Kick nt

[onehandle]

13. "Meanwhile, Obama, dressed in a dark suit, had turned away."

How is this different?

He was right there in front of her.

Very interesting.

[tammywammy]

14. Kennedy and Clinton were shaking hands

And I'd assume talking. Obama was the third wheel, he moved out of their way. :shrug:

[Connie_Corleone]

15. I think you mean Kennedy.

[tammywammy]

19. Yes, you're right of course

:blush:

[EFerrari]

16. He didn't snub her fictional greeting. That's how.

[Texas_Kat]

18. The only thing it added was that Kennedy held out his hand

Obama still "turned away". Nice try for spin, though.

[EFerrari]

21. Had turned away. Gosh, I hope you don't square dance. n/t

[tammywammy]

26. Did you say square dance???

Three hands up and 'round you go,: Break it up with a dosey-do.

[Texas_Kat]

27. It's the second pic that makes him look like a spoiled child

[EFerrari]

39. I think it makes him look like Mel Brooks. n/t

[scheming daemons]

20. If this is how the Clinton supporters grasp for straws after...

...a Kennedy endorsement...


...then what will they be grasping at next Monday after AL GORE endorses Obama?

[Catherine Vincent]

22. Obama was rude!

Stop spinning!

[Quixote1818]

30. Sorry, the facts don't back that up. nt

[jefferson_dem]

31. Scream it louder. Maybe with all caps. That might work.

n/t

[Cameron27]

32. Obama saw her coming, and he turned away

It's clear from the first picture that Kennedy, McCaskill and Obama were watching her as she made her way over to them. There's no difference in storyline.

[Quixote1818]

35. But Kennedy initiated the hand shake which changes everything

If Kennedy hadn't put his hand out they all would have been left standing there. No one was required to shake anyones hand but Kennedy decided to be nice. I suspect she didn't shake anyone else's hand in that area yet we are not going bat shit over those people not reaching up to shake her hand.

[Tarc]

38. Everyone else did

Obama did not.

[Cameron27]

48. Here's another description:

“When Clinton straightened up, Kennedy quickly reached across Barack Obama to shake Clinton’s hand. She took it. As they spoke, Obama turned away. Then the senators seated to Obama’s right – Ben Nelson and Ken Salazar — both shook Senator Clinton’s hand and talked to her. Instead of doing the same, Obama turned to look at the back of the room. Sen. Claire McCaskill, who has also endorsed Obama and was seated next to Kennedy, reached across the Massachusetts senator — who was still talking to Clinton — and tapped Obama (still twisted toward the back of the room) on the shoulder. McCaskill engaged Obama in conversation until the moment passed.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/28/state-o... /

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4260364&mesg_id=4260364

[jillan]

36. She took it; they shook. Meanwhile, Obama, dressed in a dark suit, had turned away.

exactly!

[tridim]

52. WHO THE FUCK CARES!?

Jebus H. Christ people, get a grip! (No pun intended) No matter what happened, none of this matters. It means nothing and arguing about it means less than nothing. At this point it's just comedy, but it's really not that funny. It's just lame.

[Cameron27]

55. Obama may care,

this story has legs. His snub looks even more rude and arrogant since it came after Obama was crowned the heir to the Kennedy legacy today.

[goodgd_yall]

60. It is a comedy---and I can't even get upset at this inanity

[Muttocracy]

57. so if he had been between Kennedy and Clinton when they shook hands

would the headline have been "Obama prevents Kennedy from having private conversation with Clinton" or something? Is there video anywhere, because the still photos don't tell the story. From the still photos I could say, why is that woman next to Clinton pulling away from Ted like he has cooties?