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Yanez Houston Jordan Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:01 PM
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You'd be surprised how little Obama or Hillary appeals to some Democrats. I'll hold my nose and vote
Democratic, there is absolutely no doubt about that, but it is too much to expect enthusiasm at this very moment from Edwards supporters.

Obama is tainted by his embrace of Donnie McClurkin, his half-measure health insurance proposal, his votes for Bush's energy and tort "reform" bills, and his general love of bipartisan compromise.

Hillary is marred by her love of tax cuts for the wealthy, her lousy trade positions, her votes against the Senate ethics office, and her general ability to inspire high turnout among Republicans.

This has been a lousy day for anyone hoping for candidate with a transformative progressive platform. Don't expect anyone who shared Edwards' progressive agenda to enthusiastically embrace either of the centrists remaining in the race just yet.

No one here is looking forward to a McCain administration, and everyone will unite against that horrible prospect, but don't expect such enthusiasm today.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:03 PM
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1. Based on what I've seen in the last two weeks
I wouldn't be surprised. There are a lot of people out there who loathe these candidates.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:05 PM
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2. Both owe to their corporate masters.
However, if I must I will clinch tight hold my nose and vote for either.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:05 PM
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Well, you guys are in the minority, thank goodness nt
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:08 PM
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8. The "support" for Hillary is more fatalistic than you realize
I realize that Hillary has plenty of enthusiastic supporters.

But a lot of her support is a mile wide and an inch deep.

But I know of many who don't like her, but are fatalistically supporting her as the "inevitable" candidate, only because they don't want the GOP.



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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:05 PM
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3. Why didn't you list Edwards faults?
It seems like so many of his supporters want to forget his record, while still criticizing the voting records of Hillary and Obama.

Go figure! :shrug:
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:10 PM
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9. He withdrew from the race.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:06 PM
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4. Actually, in the real world away from DU, there is a TON of excitement and enthusiasm
for Obama and Hillary. So while I am sympathetic to Edwards supporters today, I will refute any baseless claims about our other candidates.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:03 PM
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19. A ton is not enough
"a ton of support" won't be enough to get either of them elected. To get either the first black or first woman elected it will require the largest turnout this country has ever seen. It will require enthusiasm on a scale not seen since FDR at least.

We tried an anyone but Bush candidate last election and although it was a record turnout, and he had tons of enthusiastic supporters. He. Still. Lost.

People will not flock to the dem simply because he or she is not the GOP. Whichever candidate is the dem nominee, we will not be able to relax, even if we have a 10 point lead on election eve. Make no mistake. This will be the most difficult election in which you've ever participated.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:06 PM
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5. and yet many more primary voters preferred them to Edwards
why do you think that is?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:11 PM
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10. Because it was characterized as a two-person race
And damage was done to Edwards early on with mudslinging crap like the $400 haircut and his hedge fund activities.

I wonder how much Hillary pays for her haircuts, cosmetics, makeovers, etc? Gee, her daughter works for a hedge fund. But that doesn't matter.

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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:24 PM
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11. no, I think the primary voters have passed you
you're still stuck with the haircut stuff and with making excuses. The campaign has actually been relatively substantive. Pay attention, you might catch up with the rest of us.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:30 PM
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13. Is there a limit to the maturity-challenged (aka Ignore) list?
As it grows by leaps and bounds today...
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:31 PM
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14. You're an asshole
I seldom say such things, but you certainly qualify by your condescending -- and inaccurate -- insult.

Many people I know have based their non-support of Edwards on those early memes. They embedded the perception that he is not sincere.

This has not been a substantive campaign, unless you think calling Obama a republican because he said something honest about Reagan is substance, or Hillary's moment of teary "sincerity" is substance.

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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:41 PM
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15. you're insulting all the primary voters
it can't be because we simply prefer one of the other candidates, it had to be because we were duped.

Even worse than how condescending that attitude is, it's false. It's not good for supporters of any candidate to be deluded into thinking they're superior. It's much better for everyone to be in touch with each other and respect each other.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:54 PM
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17. Ha-Ha
You totally misread my post.

I don't believe the word "superior" was mentioned. What I said was that many people I know will openly say that they will support Hillary only for the fatalistic reason that they want to beat the GOP, and she seems to be the inevitable candidate.

Sure you can disagree with that -- and I ACKNOWLEDGED that she also has many enthusiastic supporters.

I can disagree civilly with many peopel with differing views. But for you to imply that such observations are condescending is what makes you an asshole.

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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:07 PM
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6. Based on the voting so far, Edwards had the least appeal.
Facts are facts.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:08 PM
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7. meh.
whatever. Edwards has been so deified by some of you, it's no wonder you can't deal with the reality that all of our candidates are flawed. And anyone who went to work for Fortress for a big pay and invested in some of the worst corporations is hardly anti-corporate. JE had his good points and not so good points- like any other candidate.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:28 PM
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12. Well stated and I couldn't agree more
There is a reason we supported John Edwards so enthusiastically.

With the other two and their constant snipping and sniping, it was just a complete turnoff.
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Yanez Houston Jordan Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:52 PM
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16. I just sick that this is all we have to choose between
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:55 PM
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18. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. nt
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Yanez Houston Jordan Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:54 PM
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20. No kidding!
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