Ooohhhh fuuuuck: Obama just DOMINATED the Iraq question...

[Unsane]

Played it vs. McCain, and established that he is the one who's been against it from the beginning.

[ursi]

1. it was good, got right to the point ...while she goes on and on and hopes we forget

she voted over and over for Bush's strategies ...and gave us all an enema.

[thunder rising]

2. and it wasn't even a warm enema.

[Vilis Veritas]

8. eww 2...

:spank:

The horror!!! ;-)

[liberalnurse]

26. Cold enema's are not therapeutic.

:think: Now that I think about it.................Obamas, when he did decide to vote in the Senate, he also voted for the $$$$$ "Iraqi-War" $$$$$ "Funding" every time!

[Vilis Veritas]

4. ewww...I dont want that picture...shame on you!

:spank:

[LostinVA]

3. He's sooo against it that he kept funding it

It's easy to say he wouldn't have voted for IWR considering he wasn't in the senate at the time.

[Unsane]

5. He said it at the time.

[liberalnurse]

25. I feel the power..................

I think Obama is the Prophet!

"Praise Be to Obama"

[ErnestoG]

9. You can oppose a war while still making sure a soldier gets a meal.

Or weren't you aware of that?

[trumad]

10. Pretty dumb reply

what---we don't fund the war and the soldier goes hungry?

[LostinVA]

12. I know! Like WTF?

[ErnestoG]

13. Dumb reply? Is that why you couldn't begin to address it?

[trumad]

22. No---you got to tell me how the soldier will go hungry?

[Quantess]

28. Somebody should start a charity called "Feed The Soldiers"

with photos of sad eyed, barefoot troops holding an empty bowl.

[LostinVA]

11. Funding the war involves funding more than meals

I'm not anti-military; I'm anti-war.

Don't even try that spin.

[ErnestoG]

14. but show me where legislators are allowed to cherry pick appropriations to the letter.

I'll save you the trouble. They can't. They vote the appopriations bill up or down as it is.

Wanna try that one again?

[LostinVA]

15. Oh brother

LOL

[NobleCynic]

27. You're joking right?

They have the power, just not the political will. If you're arguing that they don't have the political capital to do so, fine. If you're saying that technically they can't, even if they fully exercised their power, you're wrong.

[pampango]

24. They both voted for funding it (I know "support the troops in the field").

Only one of them voted for the war that put the troops in the field.

[ErnestoG]

6. as I would expect.

And this is why Clinton is going to be pureed in a national election when McCain starts in on that one.

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[krkaufman]

29. Exactly. Sound familiar... "she voted for the war, before she voted for surrender." n/t

[Maribelle]

32. McCain has access to Obama's speech on 10/26/2002 ...

which he gave a full 16 days after the vote.

And if you think McCain's staff will not have an absolute field day with Obama's platitudes from the speech, you're crazy.

[sandnsea]

7. Change the mindset that got us in there

That's exactly what needs to be done.

[Araxen]

16. Missed Opportunity there

He should have brought up the Iran vote also.

[Samantha]

17. He absolutely did

and this is why Hillary's response does not fly (it didn't fly then and still does not now).

If you were here, at DU, when this issue arose, you would have seen many of us making absolute statements George Bush* could not be trusted with the authority that resolution gave him. In particular, my humble question was: why would you trust a man who lied about an election to tell you the truth about a war?

That question remains unanswered today.

But if another salient question is who do I want to be my leader, it must be someone who has at least as much common sense as I. That leaves her out. I would NEVER have given George Bush* an inch of trust on an important an issue as a war.

[Stephanie]

19. How can we dig up those old threads?

I just checked my bookmarks to see if any of them survived. I know we went crazy when they were voting on the authorization. WE knew what it meant. Now she claims she didn't?

[Samantha]

20. I think those are archived separately from the current threads

because this site has changed software since then. We would have to ask Skinner for the link to the threads issued on or about that time and for instructions on how to search them. That might even be listed somewhere here for reference. And then we would have to find someone to conduct the searches and read thru the vast results. It would take a lot of time.

I printed off one particular thread that I wanted to save for the 2008 Presidential run because I made a prediction that I was absolutely sure would come true. In my experience, it sometimes becomes nearly impossible to find strategic aged documents with simple searches, AND I INTENDED AT ALL COSTS TO PRESERVE THAT THREAD. So I have the paper copy and have seriously thought about posting some of the comments here at this critical time, but although the words are accurate, I think people would think they must have been contrived to have been so on target (especially some of the newer, more impressionable people).

So the question is I guess is it worth the huge time investment to do that search. For me it is not because I have such an accurate memory of the outrage here. And of course if I say I am interested, you will ask me to take it on, right?!!!

Sam

[Stephanie]

21. take a look at it and put some phrases into the google

it might still be out there somewhere

[intheozone]

18. Are you crazy, I was opposed to the IWR also but

that doesn't make me an expert on National Security or qualified to be President.

[Maribelle]

31. Obama never mentioned even one word about Iraq until after the IWR was passed.

He never, for a second, issued an opinion before the vote.

Saying he was against it from the beginning is yet another unchallenged piece of puff.