Hillary is weak on the Iraq issue

[AGirl]

She is just bsing this one, i am sorry, i like her, but she can't escape her way out of this one.

[ErnestoG]

1. Exactomundo.

And that will cream her in the GE.

[aquart]

2. And Obama wasn't present.

[ErnestoG]

3. You mean had hadn't been elected yet? Yeah, brilliant observation, Voltron.

[AGirl]

4. Oh, I agree but its more politically convenient for him because he wasn’t there.

[magatte]

15. Actually the guy was running for election. And it was more politically DANGEROUS for him

He was the one of the only voices standing up to the war even as he was trying to get elected to the US Senate. This take a LOT of courage.

[newmajority]

23. His opinion of the invasion is on the record

He said it was a DUMB war. And he was correct. Hillary chose wrong. Not that she was alone, by any means, but she IS the only remaining candidate who voted for the war.

[billbuckhead]

5. Really? Working on the actual on the ground plan to get out is a start.

Admit that.

[AGirl]

8. Well, to my anti-war ears, Hillary’s answer is weak.

But it could be different in how its played in the general election.

[goldcanyonaz]

6. Don't agree at all

[gulliver]

7. I think she's stronger than Barack in the GE, though.

The thing we keep forgetting is that the American people basically went along with Bush the same way Hillary did, from a sense of duty, trust in the presidency, reliance on the intel they knew....

So when Obama argues "I was against the war from the beginning" he's not going to cut the mustard with a lot of folks. They will question then (as right thinking people do now) whether Obama would have voted for the IWR if given the choice. But in any case, you can't tell the voters they were wrong in the GE. Hillary's position is far stronger there.

[Kittycat]

17. We (not I, just to use your general "WE") were sold a line.

Everything wasn't disclosed to us, certainly not the NIE and other information that HRC had access to review, and didn't. I call this holding our elected officials accountable. She f'd up, didn't do her job - and I'm not going to reward her my vote after nearly 4000 soldiers have lost their lives because she, and her colleagues either didn't pay attention or were worried about political fallout (ie, upset the gravy train) for standing up and doing what we pay them to do. This is the most serious of all issues right now along with the recession.

[gulliver]

24. Don't vote for her in the primary then.

But in the GE, not voting for her is rewarding Bush. Letting Bush have a Republican successor gives Bush a big boost in legacy.

[loveangelc]

9. very weak.

[busymom]

10. She is

weaker on this issue....that's true.

[Bonobo]

11. Ironically, it is that weakness that will make her be more of a war-mongerer than is her nature. nt

[burythehatchet]

12. the Levin Amendment was a huge mistake. She guessed that one wrong

Thats what happens when you don't just do the right thing.

[ErnestoG]

13. She guessed on a LOT of things wrong. And this one is her Achilles heel.

[burythehatchet]

19. Overcalculating n/t

[ErnestoG]

21. ..and unapologetic when she does fuck up. That's a totally Bushian trait.

[burythehatchet]

22. I wonder: What would Hillary do with the powers Bush may be passing on to her? n/t

[Kahuna]

14. Holy Smoke! Wolfjust dissed Hill and asked her if she was naive

for believing bush.

[newmajority]

27. I'm no Leslie Blitzer fan, but I think that's a valid question

Wasn't Hillary the one who coined the phrase "vast right wing conspiracy"? Was she not in the White House when PNAC sent Bill a letter begging him to invade Iraq?


http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

She knew what they wanted, and she should have known they were lying about it. And in my opinion, she DID.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

16. she could have turned this around if she had the courage to do it,

She could have come out and said that she had been lied to by the Bush regime and that as president she would establish a tribunal to investigate and prosecute those responsible for the war and that as president they would know no peace.

Instead she came out to support a war with Iran demonstrating that she had learned absolutely nothing.

[busymom]

18. But look at Obama getting cocky

He started tilting his head up, sitting straighter....LOL

[Kahuna]

26. Please give that meme a rest. The cockiest person on that stage is HRC.

But I guess that's okay. As long as it isn't Obama. :eyes:

[usregimechange]

20. Just wait for the generals, if she makes it

[nonconformist]

25. You mean vs. John "100 years in Iraq" McCain?

I think she obviously gets the anti-war vote, she's promising to start bringing the troops home. McCain says they'll be there for generations.

[DiamondJay]

28. shes better than kerry

if there is one thing for sure, she has been and will be able to avoid being a "flip flop"