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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:48 AM
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Edward's delegates status
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/30/235933/332

What's up with Edwards' delegates
by msn1, Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:59:33 PM EST

With Edwards dropping out, one question is, what happens to his delegates? Let's take a look:

First, according to 2008 Democratic Convention Watch, Edwards had 27 public superdelegate endorsements. CNN had (actually, still has) it at 36. Doesn't matter. They're all now available. A superdelegate endorsement can change at any time anyway, so Edwards superdelegates are free to support anyone.

Now, on to his pledged delegates. Edwards won 4 delegates in New Hampshire, 14 in Iowa, and 8 in South Carolina. The New Hampshire delegates have been already chosen, so he "keeps" them. Who they end up voting for at the convention is another matter.

In Iowa, Edwards received 14 delegates, but they were split. 5 were state-level delegates, and 9 were Congressional District (CD)-level delegates. The CD-level delegates are basically history. First, there are county conventions, and then CD conventions. Since Edwards won't meet the 15% threshold at the county conventions, he won't have any representation at the CD conventions, and won't get any CD-level delegates. Where they go at this point is impossible to say. As noted in the comments, the state-level delegates are chosen in the state convention, and as Edwards won't meet the 15% threshold, he won't get any state-level delegates either.

South Carolina is more complicated. But reading the South Carolina Delegate Selection Plan, they essentially have a convention system similar to Iowa's, except the final number of delegates selected for each candidate has to match the numbers out of the primary. There's no mention of a candidate "releasing" his delegates, so for now, I'll assume Edwards gets to name his 8 delegates, but, I think we need a South Carolina expert to weigh in on this. (Again, who they end up voting for at the convention is another matter).

Remember a couple of things. There is no first-ballot "vote for your candidate" rule at the Democratic Convention. Technically, any delegate is free to vote for any candidate on any ballot. (There may be state rules mandating a vote - we're still looking into that). Therefore, there is no such thing as a "legal" release of delegates. There is a political "release" - almost all delegates will vote for their candidate unless their candidate tells them they don't have to. But from a Rules point of view, a "release" of delegates mean nothing.

And therefore, it doesn't matter whether Edwards "ended" his campaign or "suspended" it as far as his delegates go. My guess is he will tell any delegates he has left that they can vote for who they want, or he could endorse someone and tell his delegates to vote for that person. But it doesn't matter from a rules point of view. They can vote for anybody at any time anyway, regardless of what Edwards did or say today or does in the future.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:51 AM
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1. In my neck of the woods, super-delegate (I hate this terminology) Grijalva
switched form Edwards to Obama.

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/printDS/222671
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:55 AM
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3. Yes, but he is a super delegate.We have elected NO delegates yet.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:25 PM
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15. Edwards is Not a superdelegate the provided link shows who is
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:34 PM
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16. I never said Edwards was a superdelegate
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:46 PM
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17. I must have misunderstood your post...

saracat (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-01-08 06:55 AM
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3. Yes, but he is a super delegate.We have elected NO delegates yet.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:49 PM
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18. As an elected offical Raul is probably a superdelegate.We have not yet voted for Delegates in AZ.
I am a for Delegate.Or maybe not now.We vote in March at caucus depending on what candidate make the 15% threshold.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:01 AM
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4. Nice quote
I like the way Raul said it:

Grijalva cited Obama's electability and his intention to "fundamentally change the rules of the game" in Washington, according to a statement obtained by The Associated Press in advance of a planned Tuesday conference call with reporters.


Gov. Janet Napolitano endorsed Obama on Jan. 11 after being courted by Obama and rival Hillary Rodham Clinton. Since then, Napolitano has campaigned for Obama in Arizona, Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico.

Clinton has led Obama and Edwards in the first of two recent polls but the margin between Clinton and Obama decreased in the second.

Grijalva had endorsed Edwards on May 3, saying the former senator from North Carolina "has shown principled leadership on the way in Iraq and on economic opportunity in America."

In the statement explaining his switch to Obama, Grijalva said it "was not a repudiation of Senator Edwards, rather the understanding that Senator Barack Obama is the future."

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:10 AM
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5. I had lunch with him a couple of years ago...
an engaging man, with a very good grasp of what can realistically be achieved.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:48 AM
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8. We need more of those
It just occurred to me, that will be a strong endorsement to the hispanic community here.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:02 PM
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11. Doesn't matter to me what anyone says .I will NEVER vote for Obama under any circumtances whatsoever
This "future" business is garbage.I was very disappointed that Raul "got in line" but endorsement do nothing to influence my vote.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:52 PM
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19. Same here sara.
I won't vote for Obama no matter who endorses him, including Edwards.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:02 PM
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12. Delete Dupe
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 12:03 PM by saracat
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:54 AM
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2. I am almost sure this is incorrect.I will have to research it but I know for sure in my state it is
the elected committeepersons , divided by who they have filed to represent, of those candidates that break the 15% threshold, who "elect" the majority of the Delegates assigned per candidate.They are NOT free to vote for anyone else till released.They are "pledged".Super delegates, elected officials and those delegates elected at large by the state committee are a different matter.I would assume they are subject to change.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:29 AM
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6. follow the link
it is also on another site with his time line of updated info on all the delegates

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/edwards-out.html
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:38 AM
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7. 56 and...counting.............?
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:49 AM
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9. nope, they have all been dispersed

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:58 AM
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10. Not true incorrect info. Don't know where they get this.
As a poster noted Dean also suspended his campaign and accrued furhter delegates.
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nancyharris Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:06 PM
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14. In 2004, Dean dropped out of the race after Super Tuesday
He did not receive a single delegate from a single state after that.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:03 PM
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13. Just a legal nicety, Edwards suspended his campaign, and is on the ballot TU. n/t
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