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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:56 AM
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Show of Hands, Who was Drawn to Politics by the George McGovern 1972 Campaign?
You can lose a political campaign, but still change the way that a generation sees politics. I realized that while reading Hunter S. Thompson’s Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72 In the April chapter there is a description of the young men and women who crossed the country at their own expense to sleep on floors, eat what food they could scrounge up and work on “George’s” campaign. This was a bottom up campaign, one in which citizens took charge rather than corporate or political bosses. It answered to the needs and wishes of the citizens—average working citizens.

“I’ve always thought that the blue-collar vote had to be a source of his strength,” said Frank Mankiewicz, McGovern’s main strategist. “It always seemed to me that McGovern ---not as the antiwar candidate but as the ‘change’ candidate---would appeal more to Middle America than he would to any other group. They’re the ones with the most to gain from change and they’re the ones who get screwed by the way we do business in this country.”


The election in November 1972 was lost, but I think a cultural battle was won. A lot of people who had been brought up to see politics as a business for the rich or well connected began to recognize it as something of the people , a fitting endeavor for citizens. I recall that election for the tremendous enthusiasm McGovern generated among his supporters. And the next year, when Watergate broke, those same supporters had no time for apathy, no patience for the old fashioned motto of “All politicians are corrupt.” In my high school, students discussed Watergate and the merits of impeachment the way that students in the Reagan era would discuss clothes and music.

History tells us that Pat Buchanan and Richard Nixon chose George McGovern to be the Democratic nominee, because he would be easy to beat. If so, they were thinking in the short term. A losing campaign can teach people a lot. This country is a better place for the John Edwards 2008 campaign. Sure, he could have buried his populist intentions under a lot of corporate talk that would have made him seem safe to the country's CEOs. Maybe they would have called off their media attack dogs if he had played it smart .

But playing it safe would not have forced the other Democrats to take stands on health care and poverty and a host of other issues that are more important to the day to day wellbeing of Middle America than when a candidate turned his or her nose up at the War in Iraq. Playing it smart would not have revealed to the country the active way that the corporate media meddles in our so called free elections. Playing it safe would not have revealed the futility of attempting to run for president without a hundred million dollars in the bank.

Now Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are squaring off, and it seems intolerable to their devoted supporters that either one of them could lose. However, both campaigns are important. You only have to look at the number of people who are turning out to vote in Democratic primaries to see that. Increased voter participation means more interest in the government, and an informed electorate means an electorate that is less likely to be caught unawares the next time some liar tries to sell them a yarn about WMDs.

There is no losing campaign if the campaign brings people into the political process, heart and soul, and if they discover that their government can represent their interests.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/15/2542/

Friday night, not far from the Capitol where debate over another war is an almost-daily occurrence, veterans of the McGovern campaign and others gathered at a reception to pay homage to him.

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Benjamin, who said that as a college student in Boston she volunteered for McGovern’s 1972 campaign against President Nixon, went on to help found Code Pink, a women-initiated group that opposes the Iraq war.

Said Benjamin: “We need another McGovern now more than ever.”





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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:58 AM
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1. Me first. McGovern was the first campaign that had heart and soul.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 02:02 AM by McCamy Taylor
I liked Gene, until after Chicago. He should have supported the Dems.
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:59 AM
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2. McGovern was my first vote.
I actually got to shake his hand. Good man. :)
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andyrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:01 AM
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3. It was before my time but...
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail: '72 made me realize I was there in spirit.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:10 AM
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4. Come Home, America! at 3 AM.
Count me in. I really thought when he finally gave his acceptance speech at 3 AM we were going to win.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:17 AM
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5. I turned 13 that year n/t
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:32 AM
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7. Me too!
:hippie:
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:23 AM
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6. Didn't Hillary work on the McGovern campaign? I believe she did.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:36 AM
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8. OMG! You are right!
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 02:37 AM by McCamy Taylor
http://kydem.blogspot.com/2007/10/george-mcgovern-endorses-hillary.html

McGovern talked about the challenges Clinton and her then-boyfriend Bill Clinton faced when they helped run his organization in Texas during his 1972 presidential campaign, predicting he would have an easier time selling her in Iowa than she did selling him in Texas.

He praised Sens. John Edwards and Barack Obama and said he hoped to live to see America elect a black president, but said, "We have an old rule of courtesy in the United States: Ladies first."


McGovern gave us Bill Clinton! So, he did not fail at all! Take that, CREEPy Pat Buchanan.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:59 AM
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9. Paul Krugman gets it with this column about the "Edwards Effect"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/opinion/01krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

I think of Edwards as John the Baptist, in a figurative sense, for the Democrats this year. I am just glad no one had to lose their head.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:14 AM
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10. I was there and active in his campaign. Some lessons learned:

good guys can lose

the older guard of local Democrats can be unforgiving

you have to keep on working for what is important, no matter what

tomorrow will come and you do it all over again--and again--again

:kick:
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:58 AM
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22. So true, Johnny! nt
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:34 PM
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28. I Honestly Think This Is MY LAST... No More "Again!" Didn't Want It
to be that way, but I remember my thoughts of BOBBY from when I was young, and Edwards seemed a lot like him. Only difference is Edwards was up against TWO FIRSTS that have never been on the scene, PLUS I think much more going on in the background!!

I'm tired of "sucking it up" and "feeling the loss!"


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:18 AM
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11. it had a touch of insanity to it but god it was fun
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:21 AM
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12. Show of hands...
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 04:32 AM by mojowork_n
As an immigrant kid, although I was fascinated by the spectacle some of my dorm mates were making of themselves, the domestic political agendas of others were less *important* than learning about bigger, More Lasting Truths.

Like the stuff Vonnegut was writing about, and Pynchon, and a then (still) funny guy named Barth.

The McGovern campaign, by contrast, had all-too human protagonists, with too-obvious quirks, and weaknesses and failings. ...You know, that whole personal ambition, "gaming"/con-artistry aspect of politics.

Better to spend time on global, cross-cultural Creation Myth study, or the Romantic Poets, or another religion class.

Yeah, starting college I was a pretentiously literary nerd, the would-be hero of my own little picaresque adventure, and still haven't outgrown it.

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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 05:53 AM
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13. I'm a little older
I was drawn to politics and the Democratic Party by Eugene McCarthy.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 06:22 AM
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14. It was my first political heartbreak
though it was probably more the Nixon administration that made me become more politically aware.

Thanks for the bittersweet memory.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:35 PM
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29. I Had JUST Moved To Florida... And It Was Weird Even THEN!! n/t
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 06:07 PM
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34. I remember the night McGovern gave his concession speech
It was devastating to think of four more years of Nixon. I never thought I'd relive the moment, but this time around was even worse.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 06:10 PM
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35. Fro Sure... And I'm Sitting THIS ONE OUT!! Actually Voting Edwards
however I can!!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:15 PM
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42. If you don't have a strong preference for either of
the candidates, then I think you should vote for Edwards. It will feel good and it will make a statement.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:28 PM
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44. Oh, Don't Worry... I WILL Vote For Edwards... I Guess I Used The Wrong
language when I said I was "sitting" this one out. In a sense, I am because I AM voting for Edwards! But not having seen the GE ballots HERE IN FLORIDA, I don't know HOW I'll be able to do it! It may be that I'll just have to skip down and just "not" vote for the nominee.

I would like to write in, but we have these machines you see, and some of them don't so well, you see! And then sometimes the way they "word" things just sound like what you "think" you're voting on, isn't really what you "thought" it was about.

Just happened 1/29/08! Proposition passed and MOST people didn't really understand it. Now, it's going to "hurt" local governments and knowing FLORIDA, "we the people" here are going to find that we will actually "pay" more in the end!

Florida is very weird this way!!

So yes, I'm with Edwards... just don't know how I'm going to be able to SHOW it!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:39 PM
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45. I am in California
and all our elections have numerous propositions on the ballot. I hate it as I know most people don't have a clue what they're voting on. I follow the issues and I get confused. I figure the reason we elect people to congress is for them to make these decisions and if we don't like the outcome, we don't re-elect them. When I look around at the average citizen, I really don't want them making major decisions.

I have until Tuesday to study the latest batch of propositions. We get ballot info in the mail with all the pros and cons, and both sides generally sound equally convincing. If I get too disoriented, I check out the Sacramento Bee as their endorsements are generally credible.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:06 PM
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49. Same Here... We Get A Copy Of The Upcoming Ballot... And Here
where I live, we don't have that many! But, as I said... wording means everything and I've often posted that many of the "elderly" here don't have a CLUE for the most part. Now, don't get upset if you're one of the elderly Floridians I'm talking about. If YOU'RE here you KNOW what's going on!

Just giving an example!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:01 AM
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53. My Official Voter Information Guide
this election is 31 pages and the supplemental information guide is 47 pages. There are seven propositions and the first proposition has NO opposing argument! They couldn't have taken care of that in the state legislature?

Well just like in school, I'll put off studying this until the night before the election.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 07:05 AM
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15. I was sixteen then, too young to vote
But I lived and breathed McGovern that year
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 07:10 AM
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16. I was only 9 years old that year
But my conservative Dad kept going on and on about what a commie-pinko McGovern was. And I was thinking, "Hmm, if Dad hates him, maybe this guy's not so bad".
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:04 AM
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17. I bacame a registered Democrat
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 08:04 AM by The Wizard
because of George McGovern, and had the chance to tell him that when I met him in 2004. Having had first hand knowledge of the Vietnam disaster, knowing that my government had gone mad, McGovern was a natural choice for me.
How could a guy who was right about the major issue of the day lose to a paranoid prevaricating red baiter?
Easy, we were as dumb then as we are now. And Nixon didn't even have a major attack on American soil for leverage.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:37 AM
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18. !st and last time I voted in presidential campaign, until 2004.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:40 AM
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19. Watergate got me interested in politics.
Until then I assumed you could trust Presidents, Senators, etc.

Watergate made me realize you need to pay attention to who gets into power.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:56 AM
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20. I was 8 years old, and wasn't paying much attention
My mom just about worshipped the guy though.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:57 AM
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21. My first vote!
We had so much hope that he would win. My first big electoral disappointment. Little did I know...
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:02 AM
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23. Me!
First political campaign I ever volunteered for.

But I was deeply disappointed that McGovern never raised the issue of Watergate during the race.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:19 PM
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24. I was. He was my first vote for president and the first campaign I worked in.
That's a very good point about the Edwards campaign pushing the other campaigns to deal with some of our most pressing problems.

By the same token, if not for McGovern the Vietnam War would probably have lasted a lot longer than it did. He forced Nixon to make a campaign pledge to get out of Vietnam. Nixon didn't do it as soon as he promised, but at least he did it. I don't think he would have done it at all if not for McGovern.
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:09 PM
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25. I dropped out of college
to work for him in my home county - the reddest in the state.

Devastated by the loss, didn't poke my head out until well after Nixon quit.

Seriously, I lived through a northern winter in a tipi (-70 wind chill at times) so I didn't have to deal with the war machine.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:22 PM
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26. I was a McCarthy supporter in '72 but was OK with George.
In '68, I voted 3rd Party. So, '72 was the first time I voted for a Democrat for president.
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:11 AM
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56. '68 was the first ime I voted as well
and I also voted third party. Barry Commoner. Who did you vote for?
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:30 PM
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27. My First... But He Stunned Me When He Endorsed Clinton... I DO Know
why, but still I had thought his views were so far away from where she is now. He was a TRUE LIBERAL, and recently wrote a book with another person (can't remember his name) about the WAR!

So, it did shake me a bit. Maybe he felt "obligated" but I have never based what is in my HEART on an OBLIGATION!! I don't KNOW who to trust anymore!!
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 05:42 PM
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30. Nixon got me to the polls that year
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 05:43 PM by VancSouthpaw
more than McGovern did. It was a milestone election - the first time 18-20 year olds were allowed to vote - and I was 18 just in time to go vote against Nixon.


Edited to clean up my habitual erroneous typing.


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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 05:44 PM
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31. As an 11 year-old, I worked in the local McGovern headquarters...
stuffing envelopes.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 05:45 PM
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32. I was drawn to politics at that time due to the events of the day
...........Vietnam and the Tricky Dicky to be exact.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 05:47 PM
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33. I Was Drawn to Politics By Bill Clinton, But Boy Have Times Changed
The Man For Hope has turned into the attack dog against hope.
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f the letter Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 07:21 PM
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36. i hope my generation gets personally involved in this stuff someday.
postscript.. i still really cannot accept HST's death. It will have been two years a day shy of three weeks from now.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 07:45 PM
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37. Me! The first candidate I fell in love with!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:44 PM
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47. Likewise, and love him still!
He's an exceptional human being.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 07:47 PM
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38. I remember it well
I was 14 years old that summer and my mom and dad were busting their asses trying to get Senator McGovern elected because, while they were "just working folk", they supported his anti war stance and his populist messages. They also talked their 14 year old son into helping out. Now I must admit that part of the reason I agreed to help out was because of a couple of college girls who came and crashed at our house for a couple of days. But no matter the reasoning, the McGovern campaign helped to shape my view on campaigns and politics forever. 14 is an impressionable age, and those were wild times in the USA. Unfortunately, the times we live in now are worse and we do indeed need another McGovern type.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:59 PM
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51. SAme here, 14 in '72, I had to talk my mom into driving me to the local HQ to see if they were
open yet.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 07:50 PM
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39. Me.
I was 13, and spent some time licking envelopes in the local campaign office. Remember it like it was yesterday.
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Sybbis Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 07:59 PM
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40. My mother had me out on the streets...
in our suburban Massachusetts town, putting hanger-leaflets (or whatever you call them) on doorknobs. We must have done something right because MA was the only state not to go for Nixon (Washington DC, who knew him best, didn't vote for him either). Today I guess you couldn't take your kids out in the station wagon and send one this way and another one that way to hang flyers on strangers' doors, but in those days you could.

I've never forgotten it. I cite George McGovern's campaign as my very first and I'm proud of it to this day.
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adapa Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:50 PM
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48. I was 9 & living in the city- my folks supported him
I've taken my 8 year old out campaigning with me. He even got to shake bill Clinton's hand. God I hope it has as much an impact on him as your experience did with your mom!!
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:07 PM
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41.  My first real experience working in a campaign was for RFK,
but I worked very hard for McGovern. I was in law school and I completely ignored my studies to spend most of my waking hours pushing George, first in Cincinnati and then in Flint Michigan.I remain extremely proud of my involvement in the '72 campaign and a couple of years ago got to speak to the Senator at a film festival where a movie about him won first prize for documentaries. Check out "One Bright and Shining Moment" to see this wonderful leader present a courageous and principled contrast to the venal GOP.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:17 PM
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43. It was the first election I could vote in....
I have enjoyed years of gloating over the fact my dad voted for Nixon, I told him not to because Nixon was a crook, and it turned out Nixon was a crook. Bragging rights for the better part of my life....PRICELESS.

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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:43 PM
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46. My dad was a big Nixon supporter
He loved politics and was very involved. After Watergate, he became completely disillusioned and though he continued to vote, he never viewed politics the same way again.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:53 PM
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50. I was 14, rode my bike uphill to the local HQ, starting after the convention in August
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:09 AM
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52. George was labeled a peace-nik, but he flew 35 missions over Europe
in a B-24 Liberator, after his first 20 missions George volunteered for another 20, at that point his plane, the B-24 was obsolete, slow, basically a target. Georges plane got shot up a few times, and he always brought it back home.

McGovern was a 1st class war hero.



McGovern flew B-24's from N. Africa and later Cherignola, Italy, where he flew 35 missions as pilot of the Dakota Queen. These missions would carry him over Germany, Austria, Rumania and Yugoslavia. His fellow airmen rated him as top notch pilot. The ground crew noted that his B-24 usually returned with more fuel remaining in the tanks compared to the other aircraft.
He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for a mission to Vienna. Over the target, one engine was damaged and didn't feather properly. Losing altitude, they flew the return flight over Yugoslavia. They made it to a small British isle that had a small runway for Spitfire fighters. The chances of landing a lumbering B-24 on that island in one piece was small. After dumping all non-essential equipment overboard, McGovern put the aicraft down and both pilots stood on the brakes, stopping the bomber at the far end of the runway. The next B-24 tried to repeat McGovern's feat and smashed into the mountain at the end of the runway.

http://members.aol.com/Head0Class/Bios/McGovern.htm
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:08 AM
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54. Not Only Did McGovern Speak the Truth..
(And still does today), but on a lighter note his supporters included some of the most talented artists of all time. I'll never forget the concert/fund-raiser I attended in 1972 - Solo acoustic sets by (get this): Paul Simon, Joni Mitchell and James Taylor. Greatest concert ever!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:04 AM
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55. I had just gotten back to the world, just gotten out of the military
Spring, 1972.

I was watching the news, and this guy McGovern was in Florida. Some clown yelled at him "I think you're some kind of COMMUNIST!!" McGovern, a decorated WWII pilot responded with his own yell back "well, I think you're some kind of IDIOT!!"

That's when I knew who I was supporting for president, and I never looked back on that decision. I committed myself to it. I organized locals, and I took the fight to them, both in the party and out of it.

We were vindicated within two years, too.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:13 AM
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57. His endorsement of Wes Clark in 2004, confirmed to me I was in the right place
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:34 AM
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58. hands
my first vote.

still voting for peace.
dp
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