Moveon.org just slapped Hillary Clinton in the face AFTER SHE supported their Petraeus ad!

[in_cog_ni_to]

ONCE AGAIN...Obama didn't vote!!!!!! even after he had JUST VOTED 20 minutes earlier on a Democratic effort to circumvent the amendment!!


Senate Votes to Condemn MoveOn for Ad Attacking General Petraeus

Friday, September 21, 2007


AP

Thursday: President Bush talks to reporters at White House press conference.

WASHINGTON — The Senate on Thursday overwhelmingly passed a measure condemning MoveOn.org for a newspaper ad it ran last week attacking Gen. David Petraeus. The move came as President Bush accused Democrats of cowering to the liberal political action group.

The measure passed in a 72-25 vote, with none of the Democratic presidential candidates supporting it. Sponsored by Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn, never one to shy away from forcing Democrats to go on record on politically sticky issues, the amendment to the defense authorization bill did win the backing of 23 Democrats.

Click here to see how your senators voted.

Sens. Joe Biden and Barack Obama were absent from the vote, though Obama had voted 20 minutes earlier on a Democratic effort to circumvent the amendment. Sens. Hillary Clinton and Chris Dodd voted against the measure.

The amendment did not specifically name MoveOn.org, but expressed "the sense of the Senate that General David H. Petraeus, commanding general, Multi-National Force-Iraq, deserves the full support of the Senate and strongly condemn(s) personal attacks on the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all members of the United States Armed Forces."


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297498,00.html

[rinsd]

1. That's Obama. Always fighting for us against the Republicans!

:eyes:

[DUyellow]

6. why do we have to fight with them?

[redqueen]

12. We should agree with them that ads that say mean things about generals

are naughty?

:wtf:

[DUyellow]

31. didn't say that

[redqueen]

52. Buuuuuut that's what that fight was about...

so... that's why have to fight.

[rinsd]

14. Yeah 1st amendment rights aren't worth standing up for.

Let's let the conservatives push forth an official government condemnation of a liberal group because they didn't like the tone of one of their newspaper ads.

:puke:

[DUyellow]

30. twsting my words, you said "Always fighting for us against the Republicans!" I said, why do we...

always have to fight them?

[rinsd]

45. Have you been living in a cave the last 7 years?

[Hoof Hearted]

53. No you said "why do we have to fight with them" sans the qualifier ALWAYS

that you tried to insert just now.

You posted it in reference to the discussion about Obama not having the "audacity" to vote on the MoveOn motion.

My guess is you posted that reply without thinking it through.

[Marrah_G]

72. To keep them from doing more bad things then they already have????

[557188]

86. Uhhh

Please tell me you're joking.

[maximusveritas]

2. This was about MoveOn members picking the best candidate

That stupid ad controversy had nothing to do with it.

[Bluerthanblue]

18. you are correct- It was over 60% of the Moveon members who said

Obama.

I'm one of them.

peace~

[wndycty]

32. Try 70.4%

The Clinton bitterness is a joke today.

[VolcanoJen]

82. It's a conspiracy!!!

The Obama people got into the MoveOn mail-serv, divined the intent of Clinton voters judging by their email addresses, and REFUSED TO SEND BALLOTS to those people! Heh. Or something like that.

:eyes:

[Tellurian]

No set up there...

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

3. whow--I did not see this coming at all.

[geek tragedy]

4. Pandering doesn't always work, n/t

[robbedvoter]

10. Pandering? An actual decent vote in senate? Where others trashed the very purpose of Senate?

[robbedvoter]

5. I didn't know how that vote went - now it makes sense...

[rodeodance]

7. I do not understand. can you help?

[robbedvoter]

19. It makes sense in the absurd takeover of all liberal media circles of a certain

ugly undercurrent. Not in a logical way.

[rodeodance]

33. thanks--I think I am catching on--

[Bluerthanblue]

8. Move on didn't do this- it was done by vote- I voted yesterday and

they were only going to endorse if one candidate got more than 66%.

They also made voting more than simply signing on- they asked for a phone # so that they could randomly verify.

peace~

[in_cog_ni_to]

I am a monthly Moveon.org donor and I did NOT receive a ballot.

I checked my email all day long looking for it...it never came!

[maximusveritas]

22. Did you contact them?

If you had gone to their site, they said you could contact them if you didn't get a ballot. No excuses.

[robbedvoter]

23. That says it all. I got mine, half an hour before the 11 PM deadline

[flpoljunkie]

77. Must agree that's a very poor way to do a poll. You would have missed if it not at your computer!

[rodeodance]

25. Time to give them a call and talk to someone in charge.!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

38. I just contacted them through their contact page.

They now know I won't be donating any more money to their cause. If they can't stay NEUTRAL until the people have elected their candidate, they don't deserve my money. They are supporting someone I'm NOT supporting. Why should I support that???(*&^%$ They are so STUPID for doing this.

[rodeodance]

60. I basically said the same. dam** this upsets me .

[VolcanoJen]

79. Oh Good Gawd.

Honestly, to this day I'd rather give my hard-earned money to MoveOn instead of candidates.

The members of MoveOn made the endorsement by popular vote. If some kind of Executive MoveOn Committee had made up the minds for the entire organization, then I think you might have a fair complaint. But it was a pretty overwhelming vote by the membership.

MoveOn remains the most influential (and richest!) of all the progressive organizations. It would be a shame for you to part ways with them and all they do simply because you disagree with their members' preference in the Presidential election.

[MediaBabe]

87. This was not necessary. MoveOn should support all Democrats.

I have no problem with MoveOn members' choice of candidates. I don't give them money.

I have a problem with being blindsided by a MoveOn endorsement that was unnecessary. I joined to work against Republicans and their abuses not to see MoveOn itself take sides and work against a fellow Democrat.

[in_cog_ni_to]

100. That's it in a nutshell.

:(

[in_cog_ni_to]

99. I didn't get a ballot to vote in this online poll/election and I am a member.

If they endorse a candidate that I don't support, why should I continue to give them money? I really don't want my money going to ads for Obama.

[Bluerthanblue]

26. I got mine on wed- is it possible you missed it? or you have a

spam blocker?

Did you try checking in with the website yesterday?

peace~

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. I get email from them all the time.

:(

[Bluerthanblue]

47. geez- that

would frustrate me too-

Wish I could tell you what happened- I'd write them if I were you, and let them know-

peace~

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. I did.

:grr: and it wasn't very nice.

[DUyellow]

40. i got it, you should check your junk mail, or see if you have a block on your email. make sure....

they have your right email address.

[yardwork]

107. Same thing happened to my partner. She's a long-time supporter of MoveOn

She didn't hear about this until after it was a done deal. She is displeased with Obama at this point and would not have voted for this. Further, neither of us thinks that MoveOn should have endorsed any Democratic candidate right now.

I'm very disappointed in MoveOn. This was a mistake.

[Kittycat]

15. Same here. If you didn't vote, it's your own problem. You can't blame MoveOn.

[robbedvoter]

28. For not sending her the ballot? yes, she can.

[rodeodance]

41. Don't jump to conclusions about why people did not vote!! I did not recieve

any ballot either!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

63. Bullshit. I didn't get a ballot and have been a monthly donor for YEARS.n/t

[Kittycat]

68. Did you check your spam folders?

I received 2 late reminder notices yesterday before the cut-off. I got my vote in with 30min to spare. Both reminder notices came from Eli, but I think the original one came under a different header, can't remember.

[in_cog_ni_to]

71. Spam blocker is turned off. n/t

[Kittycat]

113. Well, don't know what to tell you. You should contact them directly

I've never professed who I was favoring, nor submitted information on who we've donated to. So I doubt highly it was intentional.

[Cameron27]

9. I'm not surprised.

[BootinUp]

20. neither am I

MoveOn was built up with folks outraged over the IWR, that is their base. I will never accuse Moveon of have a realistic view of politics either.

[wndycty]

11. MoveOn.org did not slap anyone in the face. . .

. . .it was a popular vote. Barack beat her. This was not the leadership of MoveOn making the decision, it was a popular vote.

[Justice Is Comin]

13. Stepped in the poop again.

His feet love it there.

[Fresh_Start]

16. remarkable how Obama seems to miss those

type of votes

could there be planning involved?
Nah, mere coincidence.

[rodeodance]

58. Oh, I think its planned. NO doubt about it. HE is SLICK.

[bernicewilliams]

17. Moveon did not slap anyone in the face. Online voters picked the endorsement

Moveon announced that whoever got 2/3 in the total of an online poll in their website would be endorsed.

So let's stop pretending that Moveon analyzed who is best and picked Obama.

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. Once again. I am a MONTHLY donor and I did NOT receive a ballot to vote in this bogus election.

This is crap. They should stay out of the primaries until our candidate has been chosen by the people. Moveon just fucked up, BIG TIME.

[robbedvoter]

36. Ballots were sent selectively - got mine in the last minute - voted.

Had I not checked my mail at 10:30 PM last night, I would have missed it. Which raises questions on the accuracy of this.

[MediaBabe]

21. It's too bad. Dividing Democrats only strengthens Republicans.

But that's politics for you. Even MoveOn is corrupted by the temptation of power. Where once they used their influence to work against Republican abuse of power now they will work to defeat a fellow Democrat.

[rocktivity]

76. The Republicans aren't united than we are.

They're just pretend that they are.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Bad Thoughts]

24. Clientelism

This is what bothers me about Clinton: the sense that political support is basically a question of exchanging favors. It makes her look so much like Sarkozy.

[GoldieAZ49]

29. It was a stupid vote for the senate

that never should have gone to the floor

I wish all the senators had refused to vote on, from both sides

I don't understand what moveon did to slap hillary in the face, or why it is obamas fault that moveon did whatever it did

???

[robbedvoter]

37. Still, Hillary said so, Obama didn't dare.

[rodeodance]

49. You are right--It reminded me of the Frist congress!!

[csorman]

111. Exactly.

Obama's refusal to vote on this ridiculous fucking piece of garbage was quite simply a protest vote - it was symbolic of his belief that this kind of crap should not be wasting their time when there are many more important things to vote on. This has been explained before, though the dead horse continues to be whacked on this issue.

And if people think there is some kind of conspiracy about only selected people receiving ballots from MoveOn, that's crazy - All of my Hillary-supporting friends who are also MoveOn members were forwarding this around to each other yesterday reminding each other to vote (I happened to make it onto their email list, somehow)...

[dmallind]

34. Oh come on - that the netroots is anti-Clinton is a surprise?

This only matters if you think moveon, or kos, or DU, are in any way representative. The demographics dictate that Obama will win every single internet-based comparison with Clinton amongst Democrats. It has nothing to do with what Hillary deserves or what Obama deserves, and everything to do with who spends their time at internet partisan sites in greater numbers. It's neither good nor bad - just how it is.

[UALRBSofL]

56. Except if your a member and they bash your candidate

It may not bode well. It's a way to fragment the supporters. It could make enough people mad they could splinter, creating a 3rd party campaign, thus eliminating any party from defeating the republicans. I'm just saying.

[xultar]

35. Wow, my opinion of you just dropped off the meter.

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. Oh dear. Now I'm heartbroken.

:(

[xultar]

61. I know yo are being sarcastic but why you gottta go all slapped in the face?

[in_cog_ni_to]

75. No I'm not being sarcastic.

I like you.:(

on edit: You don't see why a MONTHLY donor who supports Hillary, who didn't get a ballot for this online election, would be upset?

[xultar]

84. I don't think it was just that. I think they used Obama supporters to fundraise...thus no slap.

I mean with all the feelings hurt around here...your slap also slaps them.

Personally I don't think MoveOn is an endorsement a candidate wants...especially if they are planning on going into the GE.

I just see some of the rhetoric around here getting rough, stab in the back, slap in the face, nail in the coffin. I just remember when we reserved that for Republicans. Now that we use the same shit applied to Democrats it just makes me wonder what have we become?

[in_cog_ni_to]

89. Then why didn't Moveon wait until the people chose a candidate?

Not all of Moveon members support Obama and when they don't let ALL of their members vote, that makes the whole thing suspect. Does it not? AND, I might add, Hillary voted for the IWR and Obama says he was against the war all along...like Moveon.org...which makes this even more bogus, IMCPO.

[xultar]

92. I get where you are coming from and I aplogise for being a super duper asshole...

:hugs:

[in_cog_ni_to]

101. No problem.

:hug:

[UALRBSofL]

88. No, No, No I'm not advocating 3rd party splintering

What I should have said, "Even though Obama was the candidate voted on I believe they shouldn't send negative signals about the other candidate. In my opinion this should all come about after the nomination. If you look at the funding from private donors both supportive of Clinton and Obama and the fact not all got to vote, I think it's only fair." Just my opinion.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

39. MoveOn members voted. Sorry it didn't go your way. nt

[stillcool]

43. Moveon Members..

Voted. My condolences.

[Renew Deal]

44. The leadership of Move On didn't endorse anyone.

The membership endorsed.

Also, does it really mean anything? What are they going to do for Obama?

[in_cog_ni_to]

48. Run ads with MY money that I donate to them?

:(

[Renew Deal]

73. This explains why you might not have gotten a ballot

"Over the past year, MoveOn surveyed a rotating sample of 30,000 members each week to determine their membership's preference in the Democratic presidential primary."

[VolcanoJen]

85. I was never surveyed before...

... but just like clockwork, there was my ballot in my inbox, almost the moment news of the MoveOn "election" hit the wires.

I was under the impression that every MoveOn member received a ballot... way more than 30,000 voted.

[Renew Deal]

91. I've gotten them here and there

I've gotten them every time everyone seemed to have gotten them.

[AtomicKitten]

51. The decision was reached via a democratic internets poll.

It's unfortunate you place your rationalization of how you feel the vote should have gone down above the will of the people.

[in_cog_ni_to]

54. I'm a LONGTIME Moveon member. A Monthly donor and did NOT receive a ballot.

So, this is the will of the Obama people only, it seems.:(

[Hoof Hearted]

62. Sounds like they were holding an "American Idol" contest.

Where they say they count your votes but really, not so much.

[in_cog_ni_to]

69. It Probably was a forgone conclusion.

:(

[AtomicKitten]

80. You apparently have a computer and internets connection just like the rest of us.

The link to the poll was posted here on DU many, many times.

If you didn't vote, who's fault is that? "Obama people?" I don't think so.

[in_cog_ni_to]

90. I didn't see any link to any poll posted here.

What the hell.

[MediaBabe]

78. Working against fellow Dem is not why we joined MoveOn

You're missing the point. Folks support MoveOn to work against republican abuses not to divide democrats. Yeah, it feels like a slap. Wouldn't it to you if the vote were different?

[AtomicKitten]

81. No, you're missing the point -- It is an endorsement - not "working against fellow Dems"

[in_cog_ni_to]

106. They shouldn't be endorsing anyone when many members don't support Obama.

YOU missed the point.

[rodeodance]

55. umm. Fox---news. They love to divide Dems.

[in_cog_ni_to]

59. But this is all over the internet. I just grabbed the first story I found about it. FAUX has nothing

to do with it. Hillary voted against the Cornyn resolution and Obama just didn't vote at all...even though he was THERE.:(

[rodeodance]

66. no, not blaming you. My point was that Fox would make this 'news' Thanks

for the post.

that obama is one slick dude

[MadBadger]

57. When I think of Moveon.org, I have always thought of the war.

Easy choice for me.

[DUyellow]

64. some think it was a slap in the face when she voted for that war.

[in_cog_ni_to]

65. And what the hell does that have to do with this? NOTHING. n/t

[DUyellow]

119. a lot.... Read on...

If we were to put points to the value of a vote.

MoveOn.org is 100% against a "stupid war" A vote for such a vote = 1000 negative points... (we will give 1000 points for the 500,000 to 1,000,000 people who have died in this war, just out of respect)

Pandering to a republican distraction (which it was that amendment was) points = 10 Positive points

Hillary vote for war (1 * -1000) + Pandering to a republican distraction (1 * 10) = -1990

Obama vote for war (-1 * -1000) + Pandering to a republican distraction (-1 * 10) = 1990


The Winner OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bluedog]

67. and to think of the crap she took

from the Right wingers......mainly Rudy!

[BenDavid]

70. If this is relations to a poll online, it is like the polls on the DU

that obama folks place and of course Obama is going to be the winner....Give me popular votes from the people....

Where Move oN went wrong in the ad was not saying betray us but rather GENERAL PATRAEUS OR GENERAL WESTMORELAND

[in_cog_ni_to]

74. Yes.

:)

[MadBadger]

83. Except with this online poll, there were over 250,000 people voting.

[MethuenProgressive]

93. Out of the 3.5 million members.

:shrug:

[NashVegas]

109. Why I Didn't Vote

MoveOn voters went for Dean for 2004. MoveOn kept silent through the campaign.

Also, back then, there was no way to send an email to MoveOn - it was a one-way street. Even now, to contact them, you have to go through a couple of hoops.

[Indenturedebtor]

95. Bwahaha

Of course it was rigged! Our candidate didn't win. Are you seriously accusing MoveOn of rigging an election? Seriously?!?!?

For another thing, saying that the vote shouldn't even go to the floor is hardly out of character. The Senate should never have had to even consider such a thing. It's rediculous that a vote was ever called concerning the Betrayus ad. Completely rediculous.

And again I'm not sure that this is a great endorsement.

[robinlynne]

94. Nobody slapped anyone. there was a vote. 70% voted Obama. simple.

It's called democracy.

[UALRBSofL]

96. And you know what the tragedy is

Even though she voted no and Obama missed the vote, he gets the endorsement. It's typical political power play. "Stab me in the back kind of tactics". I have noticed this more then once this political cycle.

[Usrename]

97. Hillary didn't stop the stupid Petraeus vote in the Senate..

although she certainly could have.

She didn't even try.

What a pathetic endorsement.

OUR PARTY LEADERSHIP (OF WHICH CLINTON IS A MEMBER) BROUGHT THAT STUPID VOTE TO THE FLOOR IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

And YOU think they are HEROS!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[in_cog_ni_to]

102. She voted AGAINST it.

Obama didn't bother, as usual.

[Usrename]

112. Pin a Medal of Freedom on her! She's a HERO!

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[proud2BlibKansan]

98. Um moveon took a poll of its members

This endorsement wasn't an executive decision.

[in_cog_ni_to]

103. Not THIS member they didn't.

That's my point. In case you didn't read the thread.

[proud2BlibKansan]

117. Well I got to vote twice

Once from my work computer and then from home.

So if you want to claim one of my votes, it's yours. :)

[wndycty]

105. That is irrelevant for folks who WANT to be out outrage, want to claim a miscarraige of justice

They just ignore the facts so that they have something to cry about.

[in_cog_ni_to]

108. Did you get to vote?

I didn't.

[NashVegas]

110. MoveOn Sent Out Emails to Its Members

Asking them to login and vote.

Approximately 9% of the people in its database voted.

Not very different from how elections work though, I guess.

Those who are motivated, will vote.

If the election were held tomorrow, that might be very good for Obama.

[proud2BlibKansan]

118. I don't remember having to log in

They asked me for a phone number, not a log in.

[Jai4WKC08]

104. Don't feel too bad

A MoveOn.org endorsement would only be used against her by the Repubs. She's better off without it.

I say that as a MoveOn member who voted in yesterday's poll for Hillary (because I didn't want either one to get 60%).

[cooolandrew]

114. Hillary spoke against them for the advert, they bust a gut for Democrats Obama is a logical choice

[cooolandrew]

115. Barack at the time was saying they shouldn't be deciding moveon's 1st ammendmant rights.

[bread_and_roses]

116. MoveOn surveyed members as to whether or not to endorse...

at least, that's what the e-mail I got said: "When we surveyed over 200,000 MoveOn members yesterday to see if we should go forward with an endorsement process, a big majority said "yes." "

Two-Thirds is a pretty substantial majority.