I just quit Move On

[mitchtv]

They have decided to take sides. Well, I'm out I don't need any more Obama spam. Good thing? they asked why. I told them.

[KittyWampus]

1. congratulations. that's the way it is with organizations. can't please everyone

and when you try to, you end up getting screwed yourself.

[neutron]

137. Obama didn't support them. Clinton did. Life is Strange.

[jasmine621]

164. They will get what they deserve. This was a stupid move.

With two appealing candidates you don't divide your support base. They should have stayed neutral.
Will they admit it was a mistake?

[Hoof Hearted]

214. Agreed. Why now? They should have had a vote at the onset (Kuch) or just supported the nominee

when it REALLY matters, against the Republicans. They alienated a good chunk of their own membership.

[Ronnie]

249. Eli Pariser

wanted to use his organization to back his candidate. So he set it up. He knows his membership. I'm pretty sure he knew that Senator Clinton wouldn't get 6o%, but the chances were really good that Obama might.

[burgundy floppy hat]

264. Really amateur move on moveon's part...

Actually, no, he doesn't, from what I've read, the vote was very skewed with questionable results, data manipulation presenting a false image.

Rather than waiting until the Rezko trial shakes out, moveon stupidly committed itself, alienating the majority of it's voters, and the other candidates.

Amateur move.

[Buzz Clik]

2. I don't ever go to MoveOn -- but do you know why they endorsed Obama?

[cjmastaw]

4. Neither have I... but I will now

Thanks MoveOn

[Buzz Clik]

43. It seems to have been the decision of a committee.

Here's the official comment:

"Our members' endorsement of Senator Obama is a clear call for a new America at this critical moment in history. Seven years of the disastrous policies of the Bush Administration have left the country desperate for change. We need a President who will bring to bear the strong leadership and vision required to end the war in Iraq, provide health care to every American, deal with our climate crisis, and restore America's standing in the world. The enormity of the challenges require someone who knows how to inspire millions to get involved to change the direction of our country, and someone who will be willing to change business as usual in Washington. Senator Barack Obama has proved he can and will be that President.

"With 3.2 million members nationwide and over 1.7 million members in states that vote next Tuesday, we'll be able to immediately jump into action in support of Senator Obama's candidacy. We've learned that the key to achieving change in Washington without compromising core values is having a galvanized electorate to back you up. And Barack Obama has our members 'fired up and ready to go' on that front.

"We congratulate Sens. Clinton, Dodd and Biden, former Senator Edwards, Governor Richardson, Congressman Kucinich and former Senator Gravel on running tremendous campaigns. We thank them for their contributions to the important debate that has gripped our nation and for their ongoing engagement with our members. We're looking forward to working together to bring progressive values to the nation's capitol and to end this disastrous war in Iraq. MoveOn members are committed to putting a Democrat in the White House in 2008 and ushering in a new era of progressive values no matter who wins the nomination."

http://moveon.org/press/pr/obamaendorsementrelease.html

Hm. Their only reasons are inferred and not stated directly. Interesting.

[neutron]

138. It's Chic to go Obama. Clinton is the workhorse.

[demo dutch]

148. That's problem right there. Reminds me of another election involving the other party

[catgirl]

152. There were 197,444 reasons states by members

Too many to list. I applaud MoveOn. The majority gets to work for someone
they REALLY want in the White House. I'll volunteer with them if Obama is
nominated!

[rainy]

243. they asked all the members to vote and WE chose Obama. I think they

are picking now so that WE can still have a choice before the media and the rest of the primary states pick for us.

[kristopher]

252. How Move On determined endorsement

Dear MoveOn Member,
We have a big decision to make. Yesterday, John Edwards left the race for president, leaving just two major Democratic candidates. And next Tuesday, over half of MoveOn's members will go to the polls in the biggest primary day in American history.

Right now, we have an opportunity to influence who our next president is—3.2 million MoveOn members together. When we surveyed over 200,000 MoveOn members yesterday to see if we should go forward with an endorsement process, a big majority said "yes."

So it's time to ask the question: Who should MoveOn endorse in the Democratic primary? If two-thirds of MoveOn members support one candidate, we'll campaign for that candidate together. Here's your ballot—vote today:

http://pol.moveon.org/XXXXXXXXXXXXX

The above link is your personal presidential endorsement ballot for the Democratic nomination—it can be used only by you. It's important to vote immediately. Voting lasts until 11 a.m. Eastern tomorrow—Friday, February 1st. Then the ballots are counted, and we'll announce whether anyone met the 2/3 threshold.

If we can agree on a candidate by tomorrow, our endorsement will give that candidate a significant boost going into Super Tuesday, just a few days away. In addition to mobilizing MoveOn members to vote, our endorsement would mean that we campaign actively, as a unified movement, to elect a candidate who will represent us.

Each week over the past year, randomly selected MoveOn members filled out a survey about which candidate they supported. For months, MoveOn members were divided among many candidates—and many of us were waiting to see who would take bold progressive positions on the issues. But with Edwards dropping out, it's down to just two major candidates. And especially with Super Tuesday right around the corner, many progressives are making up their minds. Now's the time we can band together to make a difference.

Here's how MoveOn's endorsement process works:
Everyone who is a MoveOn member as of noon Eastern on Wednesday, January 30th, and will be at least 18 years old by November 4th, 2008 gets one vote.
Voting lasts now through 11:00 a.m. Eastern tomorrow—Friday, February 1st. This will allow MoveOn to make an endorsement in time to make a difference on Super Tuesday.
MoveOn will only endorse a candidate if more than 2/3 of our members select that candidate. These are the same rules MoveOn has applied in contested Democratic congressional primaries. If MoveOn endorses a candidate, we will immediately start campaigning for that candidate.
If no candidate receives more than 2/3 of the votes cast, MoveOn will encourage members to vote and play an active role in the primary process, but will not endorse at this time.
We are taking extra security measures to protect the integrity of the vote. A random sampling of voters will get verification phone calls after voting. We've also ensured that each ballot is unique to one MoveOn member—so forwarding links will not allow more people to vote.
Click here to vote:
http://pol.moveon.org/2008/prezendorse/?id=12009-3795474-A1lk1t&t=463

2008 will be an exciting year. Together, we have an opportunity to make a big difference.

Thanks for all you do,

–Eli, Wes, Joan, Justin, Adam G., Adam R., Ilyse, Karin, Nita, Noah, Marika, Laura, Peter, Anna, Matt, Daniel, Carrie, Tanya, and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team
Thursday, January 31st, 2008

P.S. If you want more information about the candidates before voting, one good source is the Democratic debate on CNN tonight at 8:00 p.m. Eastern.

I was sent three reminders also.

[Coexist]

48. they polled their membership

Obama took about 70% of the vote - here is the email they sent me:

Dear MoveOn member,
With hundreds of thousands of ballots cast across the country, for the first time in MoveOn's history, we've voted together to endorse a presidential candidate in the primary. That candidate is Barack Obama.


Something big is clearly happening. A few weeks ago, MoveOn members we surveyed were split. But with John Edwards bowing out, progressives are coming together. Obama won over 70% of the vote yesterday, and he's moving up in polls nationwide.1 As comments poured in from MoveOn members across the country, the sense of hope was inspiring. Here's how Christine Y. in New Jersey put it:

"I've never felt so strongly about any one candidate in my entire life. He's truly an inspiration to all of us—especially the younger generation. I will stand by him 100% for as long as he's willing to stand up and fight for this country!"

What does MoveOn's endorsement mean? People-power. Together, we are 3.2 million Americans who care about our country and want change. Half of us live in states with primaries or caucuses this coming "Super Tuesday."


We know how to roll up our sleeves and win elections, and if we all pitch in together between now and Tuesday, we can help Sen. Obama win the biggest primary day in American history. Think about it: volunteering during the next four days could mean four years of a progressive president. Can you sign up right now to volunteer for Obama's campaign? Click here:

http://pol.moveon.org/volunteerforobama/?id=12015-6766595-o3L5EK&t=535


There are lots of ways to help. You can call voters from home, go door-to-door with others in your community, travel to "Super Tuesday" states, donate, put up a yard sign, volunteer in a campaign office, or join a local meetup. Senator Obama is running a grassroots campaign, and there's a role for everyone.


Many of us feel like change is within reach for the first time in years. Here's some more of what MoveOn members see in Obama:

"This country needs real, progressive transformation. Barack Obama is the candidate who gives us the best hope of uniting and inspiring the nation to move in that direction, while also restoring America's dignity and standing as a member of the global community."—James M., Connecticut

"While I'm impressed with Clinton and believe she would make a very good president, I'm actually MOVED by Obama. In the end, I believe if Obama is elected he has the potential to bring the country together behind him."—Patricia S., Wisconsin

"He was right on the biggest question of the era—opposing the war from the start."—Jacob S., Washington, D.C.

"I support Barack Obama for the same reasons I support MoveOn.org: the more people are inspired to get involved, the better the outcome for our country. Senator Obama has demonstrated a unique capacity to inspire participation and to make public service 'cool' again. He is also sound on all the issues that matter to me and my family."—Liz B., New York

"I live in a red state, and I see my conservative neighbors and friends showing a positive interest in Barack. They like him. They are ready to be swayed. And I see my Democratic friends and family members getting excited like never before...With Barack as our candidate, I am convinced that we can win in a landslide in 2008 and usher in a new era of progressive politics."—Desirina B., Georgia

To be clear, we won't always agree with all of Obama's positions. And MoveOn members said overwhelmingly that, regardless of who wins the Democratic nomination, we'll work hard to win the White House in 2008. Whatever happens in the primary, we'll push the Democratic nominee to campaign progressively and then we'll push them to fulfill their promises after they win.

The building of a progressive consensus around Senator Obama is tangible. Earlier this week, John F. Kennedy's daughter Caroline Kennedy said Obama is the first presidential candidate to be as inspirational as her father.2 Yesterday, progressive magazine The Nation said that electing Obama is "a chance we can't pass up."3 And then DailyKos.com, the most widely read progressive blog, announced Obama won 76% in a reader poll this week.4

It's time to get to work electing a president who is inspiring a nation and is talking about big, progressive change. Click here to volunteer in these next crucial days:

http://pol.moveon.org/volunteerforobama/?id=12015-6766595-o3L5EK&t=536


This is just the beginning of a long road to victory in November. Thanks for all you do, and will do to change our country for the better in 2008.

–Eli, Wes, Joan, Justin, Adam G., Adam R., Ilyse, Karin, Nita, Noah, Marika, Laura, Peter, Anna, Matt, Daniel, Carrie, Tanya, and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team
Friday, February 1st, 2008

P.S. As we were about to click "send" we received the following response from Senator Obama. We wanted to share it with you: "In just a few years, the members of MoveOn have once again demonstrated that real change comes not from the top-down, but from the bottom-up. From their principled opposition to the Iraq war—a war I also opposed from the start—to their strong support for a number of progressive causes, MoveOn shows what Americans can achieve when we come together in a grassroots movement for change. I thank them for their support and look forward to working with their members in the weeks and months ahead."

Sources:

[Buzz Clik]

51. I see. Thanks.

[jberryhill]

66. They Took A Vote?

What are they doing taking a vote? I thought their purpose was to promote democracy.

Did anyone call for a recount?

[robbedvoter]

73. Not a vote. a poll. Different things. A chosen sample.

[Merlot]

145. It was a vote, not a poll. You had only one opportunity to vote.

My ballot had my name on it. I couldn't vote twice. All MoveOn members got one.

[jberryhill]

154. Did anyone take a poll, so we can tell if the vote was right? /nt

[ima_sinnic]

179. it wasn't a "poll"--everybody on their list got an e-mail with a link to a ballot

I got one at about 1 pm yesterday, then at 6 pm, a reminder to vote.

[Radical Activist]

91. Blame the members who support Obama.

Obama's support comes from real people. Obama didn't have to call in old favors and use a sense of inevitability to get this endorsement. It comes from active, informed progressive voters.

[robbedvoter]

104. No. I blame Moveon for trying to interfere in the primaries.

[Radical Activist]

132. Isn't that their right as a political organization?

They did it much earlier in the process last time. The fact that MoveOn gets involved in Presidential elections isn't a surprise.

[PVnRT]

193. Would you say that if they had endorsed Hillary?

Probably not.

[Hieronymus]

218. That's my guess.

[maddiejoan]

142. If they were informed

Then they would have known Hillary supported them on the Petraeus ad --and Obama didn't.

[MadHound]

149. Yeah, but Hillary let them, and us, down on the IWR

Frankly that, and her ongoing hawkishness is the one big reason I can't support her, either in the primaries or the general elections. I don't believe in rewarding such actions.

[maddiejoan]

150. okay

[catgirl]

156. Maybe that's not enough.

Her war vote cancels that out. Obama spoke out against the war. That has
more weight.

I loved that movie, btw.

[maddiejoan]

159. ::smile:::

I AM that movie ;)

[MilesColtrane]

229. She did vote against this amendment:

AMENDMENT PURPOSE:
To express the sense of the Senate that General David H. Petraeus, Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq, deserves the full support of the Senate and strongly condemn personal attacks on the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all members of the United States Armed Forces.

(And I happen to agree with that vote.)

But just 3 days later she said this:

MR. RUSSERT: Let me show you an ad that has caused a lot of controversy in this debate about Iraq. MoveOn.org took this ad out, “General Petraeus or General Betray Us?: Cooking the Books for the White House.” Do you believe that General David Petraeus has betrayed the American people?

SEN. CLINTON: Absolutely not. He is a man of great honor and distinction who has served admirably. I don’t condone anything like that, and I have voted against those who would impugn the patriotism and the service of the people who wear the uniform of our country. I don’t believe that that should be said about General Petraeus, and I condemn that.

Why?

[Stand and Fight]

69. They took a poll of the members. n/t

[Reciprocity]

116. It should have been an e-mail to ALL members not a poll from those that happened to show up.

Can they still be a nonprofit?

[Stand and Fight]

136. It was emailed to all members. I received one... n/t

[neutron]

139. Just noticed I got one at 6pm last evening

They knew who they wanted, and
threw it out to the rest of us at the last minute.

Hard not to suspect there was big money in it for them.
The way Daily Kurse turned around overnight.

[Liberty Belle]

289. more likely there was a server down that delayed some transmissions.

Here in San Diego, emails were sent last Thursday announcing a Hilary Clinton appeareance on Friday. But hundreds of people didn't receive until Saturday. Some blamed Republican dirty tricks, until realizing that all of the late recipients used Cox as their server, and apparently there was a transmission problem with Cox Cable.

I received my MoveOn ballot on time and voted. The system seemed fair, with each member allowed only one vote. But in hindsight I'd suggest groups send out endorsement votes earlier.

I personally was dismayed that MoveOn waited until Edwards, my first choice, had dropped out of the race before holding their poll.

[Reciprocity]

143. Thanks, I got the impression it was just a poll on their site. n/t

[creeksneakers2]

206. I got one too

But I deleted it. MoveOn.org sends out an obnoxious volume of spam. I don't have time to read them all so I delete all that don't look important.

They are free to support Obama but they won't get my help. Well, I'm not sure they are free. Aren't 527s prohibited from endorsing candidates?

[Merlot]

144. They had a vote for all MoveOn members. One ballot only.

Obama won by 70%

[Rosa Luxemburg]

175. a majority of its 'members' vote for Obama

[JeanGrey]

238. Probably because they are smart enough to know

he might have a chance of winning, unlike Hillary.

[aggiesal]

286. MoveOn sent an e-mail to all there members, ...

And asked them to choose who they wanted MoveOn to throw
their support behind.
Here are their results.

Vote results
Obama: 197,444 70.4%
Clinton: 83,084 29.6%

[K Gardner]

3. Childish, petty and immature. Did you also blackball John Kerry and Ted Kennedy and all the other

dem leaders and groups who have endorsed Obama?

Did you opt out or quit any dem emails or organizations who endorsed YOUR candidate?

[Captain Hilts]

6. Organizations like Moveon.org are better off not endorsing candidates.

It's the difference between being a political organization and an advocacy one.

I strongly support Donna Edwards against Al Wynn and I don't like how Moveon.org is supporting her either.

Sorry you don't understand the difference.

[grantcart]

19. I am for Obama but i agree with you

besides I don't think he will need it

[ElsewheresDaughter]

32. absolutely this type of org should not endorse candidates..i will unscribe and let them know why too

[MADem]

33. Now they really will have a tough time doing any "issue" ads.

They've turned themselves into an arm of his campaign...

[cyclezealot]

40. last I knew Move On only endorsed by a vote of its members

two million , I think? I have voted in their endorsement votes in the past. It is not a autocratic organization. Democratic, last time around. To endorse, seems it took a 60% vote. have they changed. You can't disagree with an organization that lets its members decide?

[LostinVA]

89. It was a poll, not a vote -- I didn't get to vote

And, apparently, there wasn't a "No Endorsement" option.

I support them and give them money to act as ALL of our advocates, not to campaign for some.

[cyclezealot]

134. There was an endorsement vote last Fall.

I voted in it. If there has been one since, I missed it. They made it pretty clear, if over 60% of the membership voted for a candidate that would be considered an endorsement. Seems a pretty high percentage. Maybe an endorsement just means an endorsement. No money , etc. I better head over to move On and find out. I don't especially love either Hillary or OBama. Still, I'd rather they not campaign . A silent endorsement of its members might be democratic and the members right. ?

[ima_sinnic]

178. check your e-mail from yesterday, from Eli Pariser

--ALL people on MoveOn.org's e-mail list got a link to a ballot in their e-mail yesterday in the middle of the day, and then a reminder at around 6 pm

[BrightKnight]

209. I apparently got 2 email messages on the 31st. P %^$&*!!! that! - n/t

[Captain Hilts]

161. Less than 10% of membership voted. nt

[jberryhill]

67. I agree with that

I support Obama, and I think Clinton would make a fine nominee too.

IMHO, for an issues organization to promote specific primary candidates is a bad idea that doesn't help their larger agenda.

[ProgressIn2008]

135. I agree - it was wrong for them to endorse anyone.

[tabasco]

189. The only time it's a problem is for people who view their candidate as "the one."

Sort of like a cult. The cult members will revile all things good if they do not swear fealty to "the one."

Rather sad.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

16. you forgot, SMALLMINDED.

[emilyg]

18. Not petty at all.

I expect them to support all democrats.

[question everything]

55. Yes. I was on Edwards mailing list in 2004

that later merged with Kerry. So when Kerry sold my name to Obama I quit the Kerry/Obama list.

The irony was that Edwards did not have access to his own 2004 mailing list; I had to register anew.

[Name removed]

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[Uben]

22. And you are the who would vote for McCain...

...over Clinton. Who is stupid?

[mitchtv]

26. and you, like many BO supporters

have no manners.

[Reciprocity]

76. I see his/her post has been removed so I'll leave at that.

[mtnsnake]

83. Look who the fuck is talking. lmao

[waiting for hope]

7. I did too -

Good for you!

[KennedyGuy]

8. well ask Senator lamont and Pres Howard Dean

Move on? yaaaaaaawn...

[Clarkansas]

9. For sale!

[Skip Intro]

10. Lot of us here doing so, apparently.

They\'re supposed to fight the repukes, not tear the Dems apart.

I quit them today as well.

[MissDeeds]

171. Great point

They are dividing the Dems. I thought they were supposed to promote liberal/progressive causes and let us know if Dems in particularly close races - against Repubs - needed contributions. They have taken sides before the voters got a chance to decide who the nominee will be. That seems like interfering with the process.

I emailed them yesterday (for all the good that will do) but think I'll quit too.

[Catherine Vincent]

11. Imo, Moveon should endorse whoever the nominee will be.

Just in case their pick doesn't make the cut. But regardless, they will support whoever is the nominee.

[grasswire]

12. how do you quit?

I thought about doing so this morning. I'm out.

[mitchtv]

21. there is a "unsubscribe" line at the end

of their email.

[in_cog_ni_to]

I'm just stopping my monthly donation. If you don't donate monthly, call them or email them

and tell them WHY you are quitting, unsubscribe to their emails....otherwise, they'll continue to do the same crap. There's a contact page on their site.

[shaniqua6392]

31. Just go on their site and unsubscribe.

It is down at the bottom of the page somewhere on emails from them too. I had an email in my box from them today announcing what they had done, so I just clicked on unsubscribe. There is a comments box where you can let them know why you want to do it. I let them know I no longer find that they can neutral and fight for all Dems. What if Clinton is the nominee? How are they going to continue to fight for progressives when they have an obvious bias? I am very disappointed and I would feel the exact same way no matter who they endorsed.

[CyberPieHole]

13. I did the very same thing today....and I let them know why I didn't want to be a member...

:kick: and recommend

[TankLV]

273. I just quite a few moments ago - thanks for the heads-up on this everyone!

They can kiss my donations goodbye too...

They are aparently perfectly willing to throw GAY PEOPLE under the buss...

Well I told them they can go fuck themselves...

[shaniqua6392]

14. I unsubscribed from them earlier.

It took about 20 minutes to do it for some reason. I think their servers must be really busy. It sure did not want to let me unsubscribe. I did explain my reasoning in the comments box that they had available. I just believe they should have remained neutral on this. It says right at the bottom of their page the they are "not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee". So what changed that they felt it necessary to endorse ANY candidate for the first time in their history?

[emilyg]

15. I'm opting out, too.

[mtnsnake]

119. MoveOn will lose a ton of money over this & someone will be getting the axe over this decision

to pick sides so prematurely during the heat of our Primary and influence the outcome. Even if it wasn't a decision made by one person, heads are going to be falling over this. By next Fall, MoveOn won't have enough money to run a radio ad, let alone TV ads.

[emilyg]

185. I certainly hope so. Bad move on their part.

[Captain Hilts]

195. I wonder if it affects their tax status. nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Take note: The only mean, snide posts on this thread are from Obama supporters.

I wonder how they would react if Hillary had won this? I think we all know the answer to that.

I quit today too. I don't blame you one bit. Did you get a ballot to vote? I didn't and I'm a monthly donor...or WAS a monthly donor.

[ourbluenation]

27. oh yeah, cuz the OP wasn't being snotty. Geeeeezus. It's my way or the highway with so many people

here.

ugh.

[in_cog_ni_to]

Ugh,,,see? Do any Obama supporters know how to be civil?

I think not. That's quite apparent.

[ourbluenation]

41. civility is overrated. I voted for Edwards. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

52. I supported Edwards too and now I remember why.

:(

[IronLionZion]

90. Two Edwards supporters making me laugh....

:rofl: awesome stuff to watch! :popcorn:

[catgirl]

158. And if Hillary had won the vote?

You wouldn't be so upset, right? It's vice versa. I don't think
Obama supporters would have sour grapes though.

[Uben]

20. I just unsubscribed, too

All of their emails have a place at the bottom to unsubscribe. It took over five minutes for their unsubscribe page to load on a high speed DSL connection. That page is mighty busy today!

[shaniqua6392]

I had the same thing happen with the same DSl high speed.

Their servers must be very active today.

[NoPasaran]

53. I quit them three years ago and avoided the rush

I got tired of the endless appeals to sign meaningless internet petitions.

[Name removed]

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[in_cog_ni_to]

47. I'm a Moveon member and never received a ballot to vote, so take

your rude remarks and shove it. You do know the word "retarded" is not acceptable, right? Do you think that just maybe some DUer may have a mentally handicapped family member and that could be HURTFUL to them? Grow the hell up.

[LostinVA]

94. It's also against DU rules -- as per Skinner

I have a handicapped family member, and seeing "retarded" and "retard" used as an insult maddens me. I hate it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

122. I'm so sorry you have to see that here. I hate it too.

It's disgusting and hurtful.:(

[ChiciB1]

96. I Didn't Get A Ballot Either... But I Quit Right After The Edwards Fiasco...

So I guess I don't count anymore. Like I did anyway!!!

[Egnever]

24. meh

[Tom Rinaldo]

25. If they run negative ads against Clinton I will leave Move On

If they just run positive ads about Obama I will remain a member. I wish however they had stayed out of this or at least have given members an option to vote "Do not endorse". And I think it was a really really poor move for them to begin the voting before the one on one Presidential debate between Clinton and Obama took place. They should have waited a day so Move On members could consider that exchange befor casting their votes.

Because of all of the above I am tempted to leave Move On but will hold off instead to see what they do next.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

28. I've never seen such spoiled crybabies as Clinton supporters where endorsements are concerned

They're called endorsements, not entitlements.

Please learn the difference.

[murielm99]

72. The Obama supporters on DU

are the ones who are acting like they are entitled to something.

Upthread, someone mentioned that the snarky posts are coming from the Obama supporters. It seems to be true. Of course, I have so many of the rudest ones on ignore these days that I can't see all the comments.

How long will it be before someone calls me a racist?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

75. Don't be a racist and no one will call you one. It's really that simple.

As for snarky posts, when you post an OP whining about an endorsement and proclaiming that you're quitting it because of that you're kinda inviting them.

[LostinVA]

100. Not true -- I was called one for having a Hillary avatar

[murielm99]

107. I think the OP stated his reasons succinctly

and without sarcasm or whining.

Is that simple enough?

[Guava Jelly]

29. I'm not..

It was a legitimate poll and I voted for Obama
It was very democratic.
They went with who the majority voted for
here are the numbers
Vote results
Obama: 197,444
70.4%
Clinton: 83,084
29.6%

[mitchtv]

42. Not arguing with that

It is now an organization I don't support. I sent Senator Clinton a hundred bucks today.

[MagsDem]

70. That's not even 10% of their members

If they really wanted to know how their membership felt they could have polled the membership. As it stands, they endorsed him based on a senseless internet poll. What a crock.

[ima_sinnic]

176. it was NOT an "Internet poll," it was an e-mail ballot sent to every member

I've been on their mailing list for years and got a ballot. Each member got ONE vote, and the voting was tightly controlled. The MEMBERSHIP voted overwhelmingly for Obama.

[juajen]

221. How do you know it was tightly conttrolled. I call for a recount.

Let's count those damn ballots.

[cd3dem]

30. Send MoveOn.org the message: I did too!!!

[greguganus]

34. You gonna quit here too when a poll doesn't go your way? n/t

[LostinVA]

81. Not the same thing at all -- but you know that

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[Helga Scow Stern]

35. I quit them after they refused to consider election fraud before and after 2004.

I don't take them seriously anymore, and it is not right for them to be choosing a candidate before the primary.

[saracat]

220. I agree! I am done!

[Buzz Clik]

36. Just went to MoveOn for the first time, and it is odd.

Normally, when a newspaper endorses a candidate, they don't engage in any active campaigning. In the case of MoveOn, their campaign for Obama dominates the front page.

Putting myself in the place of a Hillary supported, I'd find that really annoying.

[book_worm]

37. ok.

[gateley]

38. I don't like the fact that an organization I've contributed to

to support DEMS has endorsed a candidate. I'd feel the same way if they'd endorsed Hillary -- it's not the "who" it's what they did.

[Buzz Clik]

49. The endorsement itself wouldn't be as bad if they simply stated their reasons and ... moved on.

Now, the site is almost like campaign headquarters for Obama.

That was a risky decision on their part.

[LostinVA]

103. Exactly

By doing this, they've moved from supporting all of us to publicly appearing to only supporting some of us. Screw it. There are other, better causes I can give my money to.

[LynzM]

39. THEY did not take sides. THEIR MEMBERS took sides.

Their endorsement was based on a member poll. So you don't like the way the other MoveOn members voted...

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. That's not true. I'm a member and DID NOT receive a ballot to vote. That's just a lie. n/t

[ima_sinnic]

177. in_cog, don't you get the e-mails from Eli Pariser?

I've been on their list for years and usually don't read their e-mails because I get so many from so many different organizations. But I just looked back and I did receive one yesterday time-stamped 12:59 pm, subject: "URGENT: Presidential Endorsement. Vote Today!" At 6:15 pm I got another one: "Deadline for Your Vote." Sender: Eli Pariser, MoveOn.org Political Action. I got these and have never sent them any money. It seems as if you should have gotten it.

[beachmom]

Then you need to blame the Moveon.org members who voted.

I unsubscribed months ago for different reasons, but you have to understand that what Stoller calls "the creative class", which includes groups like Moveon as well as the liberal netroots have broken heavily for Obama, now that Edwards has dropped out.

If you like what Moveon does generally, then re-subscribe after the primaries are over.

[Drunken Irishman]

44. Should women quit NOW because the endorsed Clinton?

No.

Should people quit unions because they pick sides? No.

Should people stop reading The Nation because they endorsed Obama? No.

[robbedvoter]

63. I believe it's up to each individual. It was up to me to quit Moveon and I did so.

[Drunken Irishman]

130. I think it's petty to quit something because they didn't endorse the candidate you didn't like.

I'm still reading The Salt Lake Tribune, even though they endorsed Clinton. I'll still give money to NOW, even though they endorsed Clinton. I just don't get why people have to get so angry over a simple endorsement.

[TriMetFan]

236. "I just don't get why people have to

get so angry over a simple endorsement."


Because MoveOn is there to fight for Democratic Ideas and not for just one Democratic.

[TankLV]

275. Not petty - they like my MONEY - they can shove it...

They did something I find very REPREHENSIBLE as a gay man...

they can kiss their support goodbye...

I will not support anybody who works actively AGAINST me and my interests...

It's REALITY - not "petty"...

[DJ13]

45. Another neocon tactic makes an appearance

You know what you sound like?

One of those Bush worshipers who boycott anyone who dares criticize W.

Who was saying that Hillary isnt a divisive figure again?

:eyes:

[mitchtv]

64. a Bush supporter?

another typical Obamtron

[EffieBlack]

46. Maybe before you join an organization, you should make sure that they don't have any other members

who disagree with you?

[Uben]

54. You miss the point

Until now, they have never endorsed a candidate in the primary. I have been a member for years. This whole idea could do nothing but drive a wedge between members.

It does nothing to change my feelings about Obama, I think the guy is great, and will shout his name from the rooftops if he is nominated. I will send him money and actively campaign for him. I am a democrat first and foremost!

[ourbluenation]

58. (((((standing up clapping))))

+

[robbedvoter]

71. Moveon's purpose was NOT to take sides against some dems in the primaries

I disagreed against the idea of them endorsing ANYONE.
I was supporting their fight against Bush, GOP. Not against any Democrat. Period.
I will vote for the nominee in the GE - no problem there. But I won't support an organization which strayed way off the purpose I was supporting them for.

[EffieBlack]

111. MoveOn did NOT endorse anyone - they did a poll of their members and reported the results

[bvar22]

160. What do you think MoveOns "purpose" is?

"Moveon's purpose was NOT to take sides"

I've always thought that MoveOns purpose was to further a "Progressive/Liberal" agenda.
In supporting Obama after Edwards withdrawal, they have been consistent.
Hillary IS the most conservative candidate.

I'm a supporter of "None of the above" now that the Liberal and Moderate Democrats have been eliminated, but I can understand if MoveOn sees Obama as the lesser of two conservatives.



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[Buzz Clik]

79. That could be challenging. Geez, I even second guess myself.

:shrug:

[ErnestoG]

56. Cultists really amuse me.

Did you also burn all your pictures of Kennedy? Kerry? Purge your home of anything Obama? Maybe called in a priest to do a cleansing?

[robbedvoter]

88. I never owned any photos of those people - only keep pics of my family & friends

However if I send money to an anti GOP organization I don't expect it to be used against democrats.

[ErnestoG]

115. Uhm, they would have been "anti" one of the Dem candidates no matter who they endorsed

Math much?

[TheIronLion]

57. Yup, I voted yesterday....

And it was a landslide win for Obama amongst MoveOn members.... Go figure. I think from this we can finally see who the substantially progressive candidate is..... Please everybody... Go out and vote on Super Tuesday!!!!!!

[AZBlue]

174. Welcome to DU!!

:hi:

[rucky]

59. Democracy bites! n/t

[LostinVA]

106. But it wasn't a democratic vote, it was a sample poll

And, it was an organization that should never, ever endorse anyone.

[rucky]

140. They did this last election, too.

everybody knew it was coming.

and it is an organization that runs from the bottom-up.

[ima_sinnic]

180. where did you get that WRONG idea? link?

everybody on their mailing list got a link in an e-mail yesterday to a ballot.

[rodeodance]

60. GREAT.

[nonconformist]

61. I did too.

And I also told them why.

[robbedvoter]

62. I did too.

[MagsDem]

65. I did the same

You'd think the fact that only 10% of their members even voted would tell them something. Apparently it didn't. Buh bye Move On .... I am moving on from you.

[paulk]

68. I quit three years ago

usin my money to run ads against Democrats was not something I was willing to support.

[nichomachus]

74. Ineteresting idea

According to the Hillarybots here, if your candidate doesn't win, then you should take your bat and ball and go home. Does that mean that Edwards and Kucinich supporters should boycott the primaries because their guys got squeezed out of the process?

Please tell me -- since you're all quitting MoveOn because HillBilly didn't win their poll.

MoveOn is the closest thing we have to an opposition party, since Nancy and Harry went over to the other side.

[theHandpuppet]

77. So did I.

You're not alone.

[NoBorders]

78. THey must have known they would lose members

I would guess maybe 10%? I'm glad Obama got the endorsement, but I can understand people being angry.

[thetaoofterri]

80. I did too.

I, too, think they should be supporting all dems

[cascadiance]

82. I didn't quit, but I asked them why I got a BINARY choice for an endorsement!

I wanted to have a "NONE OF THE ABOVE" or a "DO NOT ENDORSE" option on that mail, so I just ignored it when the form didn't give me a choice.

Technically Mike Gravel should have been on that poll too, since I don't think he's officially withdrawn his name. If he were on the list, I'd be VERY inclined to vote for him as a protest vote.

I wrote a nasty email reply to move-on's original email to this effect. Don't know if anyone read it or not.

[suston96]

84. Some may not like these numbers.....

Some 280,000 moveon.org members out of 3.2 million voted in this endorsement question - by e-mail invitation and response. 197,444 Obama to 83,084 C linton. Less tham 6% of members voted to endorse Obama.

Sure would like to see the demographics, age-wise, of the group that voted - by e-mail - by individual invite.

I thought better of moveon.org - the champions of real democracy.

[ChiciB1]

I Think I QUIT All My Political Affiliations When Edwards "Suspended" Or

whatever THEY did to him. ANSWER, MoveOn... all of it! I guess I gonna wear BLACK for a while!

[harun]

85. How immature, I thought liberals weren't supposed to be so quick with the knee jerk reactions (n/t)

[Buzz Clik]

86. In 2007, General Petraeus joined just so he could quit in a huff.

It was pretty effective.

[IronLionZion]

87. MoveOn has a 50% threshold for endorsements

Howard Dean came close back in 2004, but Obama got it this time so he got the endorsement.

"Never been done before" is most definitely the WORST reason to not do something. History is made by people who do things that haven't been done before. Hillary said something like that during the debate.

[robbedvoter]

95. The reason is: they were supposed to be against the GOP, not dems.

[IronLionZion]

97. Yet, I don't feel they are against the Dems

simply by endorsing one of them.

[robbedvoter]

102. Obviously, many Dems - who contributed - do feel that. So they leave.

[IronLionZion]

117. And that is their right. The others choose to stay and contribute more. Isn't freedom great? nt

[LittleClarkie]

92. Didn't they have the members vote?

How is that so bad?

[robbedvoter]

99. Not ALL members. A sample. In 24h. I almost missed the deadline - I got the ballot

so late. Many here had no chance to vote at all. And they shouldn't have done it anyway. Not their mission statement.

[ima_sinnic]

184. tsk tsk, you keep repeating the same bullshit over and over

a "sample"
"no chance to vote at all"--yeah, it takes so long to click on a link in an e-mail that you now admit you DID receive. I got mine at 1 pm, and at 6 pm, I got a reminder e-mail.

They are a Political Action Committee. What should their "mission" be? They took a vote of the membership and those who BOTHERED to vote, voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Proportionately, the outcome would have been the same, don't you think, if more people had BOTHERED to vote?

Let me guess--you're a Hillary supporter ?

[mitchtv]

114. nothing is so bad

They took sides , not my side. why should I support them in ther endeavor. Good luck, count me out; simple. They are helping Obama, hurting move on. Just like when AARP endorsed the medicare part D. I left them too, but that was ok here.

[mtnsnake]

98. That's a shame they're picking sides during the primaries and timing it to coincide with Super Tues.

What are they going to do if Hillary ends up with the nod? Run TV ads in support of Nader?

[robbedvoter]

101. Good point.

[IronLionZion]

110. I imagine they would support the Dem nominee

Why wouldn't they? :shrug: Nader can suck it. His influence has gone down considerably.

[Thrill]

105. What are you two yrs old? You had a chance to vote on it

[robbedvoter]

131. Not everyone did. It was a poll, a sample, not a general vote.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

108. I heard you were fired.

:hi:

[robbedvoter]

113. No. Moveon is.

[mtnsnake]

121. In essence, they sure are, robbedvoter

If so many posters are upset about it here in La La Land, where 9 out of 10 people hate Hillary, imagine the number of people in the real world who will be holding back with their wallets.

[robbedvoter]

124. Not really thinking, did they - splitting their base.

[katty]

109. still in MoveOn but getting disenchanted with an atmosphere

bias and endorsements.

[suston96]

112. Numbers......

Some 280,000 moveon.org members out of 3.2 million voted in this endorsement question - by e-mail invitation and response. 197,444 Obama to 83,084 C linton. Less tham 6% of members voted to endorse Obama.

Sure would like to see the demographics, age-wise, of the group that voted - by e-mail - by individual invite.

I thought better of moveon.org - the champions of real democracy.

[zanne]

118. I hope you guys will change your minds about Move On...

After the primaries are over. I know that feelings are running high right now and I can understand how their decision to support another candidate must feel. But Move On is a great movement with alot of strength behind it. It influences government policy and the people in the halls of congress.
I personally don't think they should have endorsed anybody, even though I'm an Obama supporter. I do hope you change your minds after awhile, because we're going to have to stick together regardless of who wins.

[robbedvoter]

I will support the nominee in GE. Moveon - can kiss my ass - whomever wins

the primaries.

[zanne]

133. Over the years, I've unsubscribed to the NYT, the Washington Post,

Even the Huffington Post, because I've been so pissed at them. Then, after awhile, I subscribe again. (Actually, it's unnecessary, because once they have your info, all you have to do is log in, anyway.) At the moment, I'm getting their newsletters, but who know about next week?

[TriMetFan]

244. Nope as far as it goes....

MoveOn will not ever get any money or my help again. It would have been a different story if they would have waited till there was a Democratic nominee.

[beezlebum]

120. i quit moveon quite a while ago.

perhaps it was their whitewashing of clinton's sabre rattling RE:iran... http://www.antiwar.com/solomon/?articleid=10808

*zips up flame retardant suit* okay i'm ready:hide:

[Henryman]

123. How many of you answered the poll, and then.....

when your Candidate didn't win, decided to "unsubscribe"?

I took the poll and I thought this might not be good if my Candidate doesn't get the MoveOn endorsement. But I'll live with it.

[robbedvoter]

127. I was angry when I saw the poll. They ruined a great evening after the debate for me

All their poll shows , more Obama supporters are on line than Hillary's I knew that, I am on DU, aren't I?

[juajen]

125. I also unsubscribed. I have been a member since 2000

I expect them to support the dem nominee, not help choose a nominee. I am very disappointed.

[femrap]

126. They had asked earlier if

they should endorse, and I replied with a resounding NO! But of course they didn't listen. You know, I think I'll get out too.

Why the hell did they want to offend so many Democrats....I thought the f*cking voters were the ones to decide.

You're right...I'm out....I'll be MovingOn.

[robbedvoter]

129. "I thought the f*cking voters were the ones to decide." - you said it all

[TreasonousBastard]

128. I disagree with their taking sides in a primary, but...

I'm not dumping them because of this silly decision. I didn't dump them for silly decisions in the past, either, because their net value is still positive for our goals.

I will dump them in the future if they become irrelevant or arrogant and no longer be a positive force, but only then.

[donheld]

141. Well

[zulchzulu]

146. So...you moved on!

:boring:

That's just great...

[Tatiana]

147. Honestly, I know what everyone is saying, but I think it comes down to the IWR. n/t

[robbedvoter]

204. Not their call - not today. 3 days before the race they have to throw dirt in my face.

I was so content last night after the debate - with either candidate winning.
Now, after this, and Obama thinking he has my vote locked, if my candidate isn't the nominee I am outta politics. For good. Tired of arrogant candidates and betrayal.
No more "unity" fuzzies.

[Fermezlabush]

151. Me too.

[Little Star]

153. Just did the same thing myself this afternoon. They should not

take sides and I'd feel the same way and do the same thing even if they endorsed Hillary. I thought they were for all Dems?

[Kat 333]

246. Ditto

eom

[Amanita]

155. Me too.

[bread_and_roses]

157. MoveOn has a Political Action Committee. What do people think PACs do?

They endorse and give money to and work for candidates. They are not all arms of the Democratic Party - they can have a different agenda than merely electing any D. The Democrats have the DNC for that, do they not?

I belong to two organizations with PACs that have endorsed in Democratic Primaries - garnering the outrage of Democrats who thought we should "stay out" of their Primary and work for whichever D won. But we perceived clear differences between the candidates. In a two-party system, agenda-driven organizations can make a difference in Primaries that they cannot always by only working in the general for the generic D. MoveOn clearly explains its' PAC mission:

MoveOn.org Political Action, one of the largest Political Action Committees in the country, brings real Americans into politics to fight for a more progressive America and elect progressive candidates. It conducts major campaigns, from its work to protect the Supreme Court from a hard-right justice to its campaign to defeat the right wing and elect moderates and progressives in 2006. But in contrast to most PACs, which funnel industry contributions to candidates in exchange for access, MoveOn.org Political Action brings hundreds of thousands of small donors together to elect candidates who will represent the American people.

They have every right to engage in Primary politics. I feel fairly certain that not all their members are registered Democrats, and may have a broader agenda than simply electing a Dem. They have every right to pursue that agenda by supporting the candidate who seems to them to best fit it.

[robbedvoter]

165. They can't use my money against my candidate. Kinda fraudulent - deceptive.

[TankLV]

277. Exactly - if they do something that is HARMFUL to me - they lose my financial support.

It's really very simple...

THEY have to live with it from now on...

[Texas_Kat]

198. They have never 'endorsed' in a primary with one Democrat against another

So long, Move on .... I'm not coming back. I have better places to spend my hard-earned money.

[krabigirl]

162. Me too, because they didn't give a "none of the above" option. Also...

people who didn't want them to endorse anyone had no way of indicating that in the poll.

they are useless anyway. what have they done recently? Or ever?

[LaurenG]

163. Don't be weird, if you had voted in the poll which was posted here you

could have helped decide too. So quit MoveOn but it was a result of those who voted, not MoveOn admins and owners. :shrug:

http://pol.moveon.org/2008/tempsurvey/survey3.html?id=12005-2648911-4KRVog&t=11

[MissDeeds]

186. What I think a lot of people are objecting to,

myself included, is that MoveOn even inserted themselves into this at all. I like the idea of a weekly poll to see how the candidates are doing, but for MoveOn to support and endorse any candidate prior to the completion of the primary season seems wrong. I would say that even if they had endorsed my candidate at this point in the process.

It's not about voters getting to choose who they want to support in an online survey/poll/vote that is upsetting. It's that MoveOn jumped the gun in endorsing. I'd prefer they endorse the nominee and not get involved in playing king or queen maker.

[krkaufman]

166. Yeah, I warned 'em not to take sides when I voted.

Pretty stupid move, I would think.

[Freida5]

167. So did I. Hopefully others will join us.

[avrdream]

168. Me too.

Absolute bullshit on their timing.

[jbm]

169. I quit too!..n/t

.

[sniffa]

170. I just quit the Denver Post

Fuck them and their endorsing the wrong candidate.

[VotesForWomen]

172. good. they screwed up. nt

[chascarrillo]

173. I just joined MoveOn.

[jlake]

190. Why were't you a member before?

Suspicious....

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

227. Ha! Oh snap. :-)

:rofl:

[chascarrillo]

253. I never really thought about joining before.

There's a lot of organizations that I agree with politically that I don't join. OOOH! SUSPICIOUS!!!!

Seeing everyone fleeing in a fit of pique tends to draw out the opposite response in me. So, I signed up. Again, very, very suspicious.

[mondo joe]

181. I did too. I doubt it will matter to them, but it will ease up my email inbox and I will feel more

content.

[ursi]

182. why? Cuz those of us who are members voted for Obama? That's how they picked.

Or did you not vote in their poll?

[robbedvoter]

194. Only 10% were allowed to vote, OK?

[sandyj999]

183. I told them to not send me any more e-mails and blocked them. n/t

[ErnestoG]

187. Good. We don't need you.

[mondo joe]

202. "We"?

If you give them as much money as you give DU...

[robbedvoter]

203. Was that the royal "we"? Or half of weewee?

[ErnestoG]

213. The oui oui

[rox63]

188. MoveOn has endorsed lots of candidates in the past

You're quitting because you don't like the candidate they've endorsed this time? And this endorsement was decided by their members. Did you reply to the email ballot? If not, why are you complaining about the choice of other members who did reply?

[Bluebear]

191. 'Today's endorsement is the first time MoveOn.org has endorsed a candidate for President

in the Democratic primary'

From their own press release.

[mitchtv]

197. Answer me this

why should I belong to a group that doesn't share my goal?It's real simple They made a choice to pit Dem against Dem, defeating their larger goal of having a large strong organization. I have been a Dem for 40 years. I'll support who I want.

[Bluebear]

199. You said it.

[avrdream]

224. Exactly!!!!!

The timing is soooooo wrong. They made a conscious decision to have the Dems fight each other. I have always supported them in the past because they stuck by the DEMOCRATS, without helping one against another. No more, Eli.

A few less bloody e-mails begging for money in my box. Other organizations are a lot less impartial.

[Bluebear]

192. What is their contact phone number? I am "Moving On" as well.

[ErnestoG]

196. Awwwwwwww! *sniff*

[robbedvoter]

200. Was 3 days worth allienating so many of us?

I just realized - whatever "help" - 3 days ain't much. So, WHY?

[AX10]

201. I never was an official member.

I sent them money on occasions. They can close shop now if they want to.
If they want to be so quick to take sides, I don't want to be any part of them.
I am not suprised that they did this, they are from the same left wingers who brought of the McGovern candidacy.
I like McGovern though.

[zulchzulu]

205. Good

I bet you support the war anyway, right?

Ya like NAFTA?

[BrightKnight]

207. Uniter? They are apparently not the broad Progressive coalition That I

thought that I was supporting. I doubt that most of the people supporting Move On would approve of this.

Was it really worth it!? I'll never have anything to do with them again.

[Sapphocrat]

208. That was the first thing I did when I opened my email today -- unsubbed. n/t

[stillrockin]

210. I say, rock on, MoveON.

It's time to stand and be counted. This ain't no party . . .

[balantz]

211. I quit too.

After what they did to John (and us J.E. supporters) I don't want anything to do with them, and I wrote and told them what for.

[CatnHat]

212. Creepy

I don't support any organization who turns on its own. Thought they might have been useful AFTER the nomination; guess we'll never know.

[ErnestoG]

215. Turns on it's own? I beg your pardon?

The didnt turn on anyone. They endorsed Obama as the best candidate in their mind, to take on the GOP. Why do you Hillary cultists make stuff like this so personal?

[CatnHat]

219. Before the nomination???

Putting the cart before the horse to say the least. Let them endorse who they want, but to "take sides" now is adding more fuel to fire in our own party. Lost interest in their organization. Have no use for them. For the Obama camp to rally on "change" "hope" "unity"--seems they are only really itching for a complete division. Sad. The Clinton bashing is reminiscent of years ago; only it came from the republicans and now its actually is coming from within our own party.

[ErnestoG]

222. When would you like them to endorse? AFTER the nomination?

Come on....THINK.

[cooolandrew]

216. To object to the Dead endorsing anyone is rejecting their free speech right. Are the left really...

... constitutionalist. I try to respect what is laid out the document as best I can, I am all for the right for Beats to have arms.

[TriMetFan]

217. Well they just lost this family.

We had been MoveOn members since 2003. No more money from us. I will never will forget when I took my oldest kid to his first meeting in 2004. My kid was only 7. This boy went door to door here in Portland to get the vote out for Kerry wearing his Kids for Kerry button. I told him that we wouldn't be doing any work for MoveOn this year. And for the Obama supporters that think all Hillary supporter would have been happy if this was the other way around, the answer to that from at least me is NO! I would have quite just the same. This was wrong.

[ErnestoG]

223. So uh, who would you have had them endorse to keep your support?

I'm truly curious.

[TriMetFan]

233. No One!!!!!!

Not until this whole thing was over. Then they should have through their whole support behind the Democratic nominee. It's that easy. But NO they had to do this.

[ErnestoG]

290. Oh I'LL BET! HAHHHAHAHAHA

[unapatriciated]

241. The winner of the primaries

until then they should have stayed neutral
Imagine the headline
Democratic Underground Endorses ....

[Califooyah Operative]

225. I just donated To Move On.

Obama got 70% of the vote. They also polled as to whether they'd even endorse in the first place. Fair is fair and sour grapes are sour grapes.

[TriMetFan]

247. At least in my part it is not "Sour Grapes"

I just think MoveOn missed up. I still would have quiet if they would have gone will Hillary. It would have been different if they waited until we knew who our Democratic nominee was going to be.

[Hatchling]

226. As soon as I get my good computer back up

I'll unsubscribe myself.

I've been offline for a few days repairing my good computer. Just got my old one out to check email and to log in here. It takes two to five minutes to load one post! and I can't get some websites to load at all because of the antiquity of this computer.

They allowed 24 hours to allow people to decide whether to endorse and then another 24 to choose whom to endorse, and if you are away from your computer for that length of time as I was, your vote isn't counted?

I don't approve of endorsing a primary candidate at all from this organization.

[cgrindley]

228. Moveon.org is ONLY about taking sides... WTF is your problem?

Moveon.org is an activist group. Taking sides is what they're all about.

[Evergreen Emerald]

230. I quit MoveOn.org as well. My money and time will be better spent

elsewhere. And, that is my choice in a democracy.

[guruoo]

231. Poor MoveOn - They couldah been a contendah. n/t

[Unbowed]

232. Hmmm....I thought it was about the Move On members making a choice.

Move On gave the progressive a community the option to endorse either Hillary Clinton or Obama. This is an historic race and we are about to come out of the least progressive administration in history. Seems fair to me that progressives are given a choice in endorsing a nominee.

Now that candidate is Obama. If more progressives had chosen Clinton, then it would have been HRC who got the endorsement. Seems fair to me.

Now, if a more moderate organization were to do the same and if the choice were to be HRC instead of Obama, would that bother you as much?

Another question, if you quit Move On, that means you had the opportunity to vote for your choice endorsement, so did you? And did you by any chance vote for Hillary Clinton?

[mondo joe]

235. Some of us think MO shouldn't be endorsing candidates in the primary.

That said, it's a simple matter: If a membership organization alienates members, it is likely to lose their support.

[Unbowed]

256. How about the NOW organization support of HRC?

Or is that different somehow?

[mondo joe]

270. If NOW members feel they don't like it making endorsements I'd expect them

to reflect it in their support as well.

Wouldn't you?

[Unbowed]

258. How about other organizations endorsing candidates?

There are quite a few organizations making endorsements (for both candidates) without even consulting members. At least Move On put the decision in the hands of members.

[mondo joe]

271. Again, I'd expect their membership to respond in a way that reflects what they

want.

[Unbowed]

287. That's exactly what Move On gave their membership:

"the opportunity to respond in a way that reflects what they want."

More of them just happened to want Obama. The rest are entitled to bitch and complain and withdraw if it moves them to do so. So are the members of unions who end up endorsing candidates they don't support. It is a free country. I just don't get all the animosity toward Move On, when they gave their membership a choice and most other organizations endorse without that same courtesy to members.

[Hissyspit]

234. Oh, please. An advocacy group advocating.

How shocking.

[TankLV]

279. Yep - and they can do without MY financial support...

Shocking? Not really - it's called REALITY...

You do something I strongly disapprove of - then why on earth should you expect I would FINANCIALLY support you? It doesn't make sense...

THEY choose. So did I. With my WALLET. THEY LOSE.

[backscatter712]

237. They held an election. This is the result.

The majority of their members voted to endorse Obama, so MoveOn endorses Obama. I fail to see a problem with this.

[mondo joe]

239. I don't think it's a problem either. Unless, of course, you consider

losing the support of some members a problem.

I doubt it will be very damaging to MoveOn, but a few people seem to think the defection of the alienated members is some sort of problem.

[benny05]

240. I also unsubscribed to their e-mails

They shouldn't have endorsed anyone.

[JorgeTheGood]

242. good call ...

everyone should drop Moveon but when you do ... don't come across as sour grapes
(pro-hillary). Make the issue fairness for ALL members.

Hit 'em where it hurts ... right in the wallet.

[4dsc]

245. Majority rules and losers suck..

Its quite amazing to see all the sore losers here.. Suck it up and move on..

[tbl92666]

251. Typical childish Obama supporter

GROW UP.

[JorgeTheGood]

254. Apparently Moveon is implying ...

they would rather have Obama bucks than Hillary bucks ...

Fine with me ... let's see how they like it when those Hillary bucks stop coming in ... LOL.

[Bluebear]

265. It was a poll, not a vote. But you knew that.

[krabigirl]

267. "losers" suck? This whole thing reminds me of high school.

:puke:

[Liberty Belle]

248. I think you're totally wrong. Here's why. ALL, PLEASE READ!

Many progressive organizations endorse candidates. That's the democratic process.

If people quit every group in which a majority chooses a candidate other than your own, these groups will lose massive number of members and their effectiveness overall on the many, many issues with which you DO agree.

MoveOn has accomplished a great deal. Same with PDA, DFA, NOW, and many other groups which also endorse candidates through a totally democratic vote of their membership.

I belong to many organizations. Sometimes I agree with their endorsements, and sometimes I don't. But I continue to maintain my membership because these same groups are fighting against such abuses as the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, and the Iraq War. Some are pushing for impeachment. They are addressing global warming, protecting women's rights. Some groups have endorsed Obama, others Hilary. I would not quit NOW because they are supporting Hilary, nor would I quit MoveOn for supporting Obama.

Remember all those photos with piles of boxes filled with Move On petitions delivered to Congress? The right-wing fears MoveOn, which is why it attempts to demonize this very effective organization. We don't need progressives to abandon ship whining because a group's membership overall disagrees with your choice of candidate. Also note, this is the MoveOn PAC, not MoveOn.org. So you can disagree with the PAC but still support the nonprofit arm of the organization, if you wish.

United we stand, folks, divided we fall--and the bad guys win!

[JorgeTheGood]

259. Your mention ...

united we stand ...

how do you reconcile that with splitting their membership.

I'm willing to bet that Moveon would like a do-over on this one.

Other than that ... good post.

[Liberty Belle]

288. I'd hate to see progressive groups shy away from endorsing,

which is why I hope members will put the brakes on throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

It would be different if the leaders had made this decision unilaterally, but it was a democratic vote of all members, and required a super-majority.

If we start kow-towing to the wishes of a small minority who threaten to take all their marbles and go home if they don't get their way, progressive groups would never take a stand on anything controversial.

[tbl92666]

250. I just quit as well

I've been with them from day one -- when they a group of folks who wanted to stop the right wing political assault on a CLINTON!

They should have kept out of the endorsement game and kept to the issues.

I do not support Obama and I no longer will support them. Unlike most of the Obamanistas, I'm guessing, I've actually given them money over the years. Well, no more.

[peacock]

255. Yeah - good going!

[BlueJac]

257. They sent emails and I vote for Obama..........

I wanted Edwards but he dropped out. I oppose Hillary.


People should do what they want, quit or stay with Move-On, but the crying is for babies.

[tbl92666]

262. Listen you child

Voicing an opinion as to why one quit is not crying. I have been with this organization since before it had a name and I think it made a grave error, so I quit. Why is it you Obama children always have to take it to the 'nah-nah' playground level? Oh yeah, because that is your level of maturity.

[fascisthunter]

260. I Will be Sending MoveOn more Money (nt)

[Bluebear]

266. Mmmhmm.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

261. Have they ever endorsed a candidate in the prez. primaries before?

n/t

[robbedvoter]

263. They mused in 2004 - but since none reached 50%, they gave up. General vote then

not roving sample - and not just 8 hours. I guess they "fixed" it so they'd get their percentage. The reports about it being a "vote" were deceitful. 10% ain't a vote.

[onehandle]

268. The endorsement is a good thing if you're a Hillary fan.

Sadly, Move On's endorsement can only hurt Obama.

[cyclezealot]

269. That is cutting off your own nose.

Well , I don't really care for either of the two finalists. Luckily, I can still vote our first choice, even though he has pulled out of the race. He is still on the ballot and that is where our votes will go. / you have to look at their overall function. They give the Republicans hell. And maybe the membership did favor Obama. if their methods were proper, you lost . Please be a good sport. No one fights the Repukes the way Move on Does. / I will never give up on Move On. They attack the Republicans better than the Democrats are capable of dreaming to do. / Does their endorsement means Hillary money will be spent on Obama. Maybe the endorsement does not mean much. just in name only? You should hope they will be around come November. Hillary will have an attack dog ready to go after the GOP attack dog. We all know how poorly Democrats are as strategists. My Money will go to Move On come the Fall, even if I dislike the Dem nominee. That will be the best place for it, if we want to get the GOp on the run.

[NewHampster]

272. Me too

Out and unsubscribed. Wish I could get my money back.

[Gonnuts]

274. When MoveOn asked whom I would "vote" for...

so our "votes" would determine whom they would back I shot back that if they were a truly "progressive" movement instead of brainless stooges and were to support anyone they should of come out for any of the candidates that have been shoved aside that actually resonate with the people instead of waiting to see whom Corporate Amerika has selected for us.

McInsane will be our next president. Not that it matters, both Clinton and Obama will do Corporate Amerika's bidding also, but McCain will do it with gusto. Clinton will drive Repubs to the polls in droves and keep many Dems home. Obama will have every bigot in the land (of which this country has a lot of) to crawl out from under their rocks to defeat him and in an election brought to you by Diebold, McInsane wins in yet another (s)election "too close to call".

[Enthusiast]

278. I voted, I voted for the candidate of my choice.........

It was for Obama. I will support Hillary if she wins the nomination.

[7horses]

276. My question is...

Why didn't they take the vote before Edwards dropped out, and why didn't they put Gravel's name on their ballot? He is still running.

[LiveLiberally]

280. I can understand why Move-On's decision to endorse is controversial BUT....

aren't we -- as progressives -- being short-sighted here? I worked with Move-on in 2004 as a precinct leader and I know firsthand we had a real impact in WI going "Blue" for Kerry/Edwards. Move-On has made it clear that irrespective of their endorsement they will support financially and organizationally the democratic nominee. And frankly, Coulter-Rush-Hannity sniping notwithstanding, it is highly unlikely that Republican in-fighting will lead to a November cake-walk. We will need Move-on to win. So while I can understand the indignation and anger -- and the need to vent it now by unsubscribing -- I can only hope that once this winter of partisan discontent is over we can join ranks again. As a new member of DU, I know I don't need to remind anyone here of the stakes.

[David Zephyr]

281. David Zephyr to MoveOn.org: "I can't quit you."

Hey, I respect your decision. But regardless of who is elected, it will be MoveOn.org pushing to get us our of Iraq...and that will be a good thing for Hillary, Barack, John or Mittens.

[ChiciB1]

282. I Quit Yesterday... And I Didn't Get Asked To Vote Either... But Today I

got emails at BOTH of my email addresses asking me "Don't Go!"

Ha! Ha! Too funny!
:rofl:

[Evergreen Emerald]

283. I just got one too: "Don't go."

You've been permanently unsubscribed from the MoveOn list -- if you take no more action, this'll be the last email you get from us. But please don't go!


I will give my money to Clinton.

[ChiciB1]

285. Same Message... But It's Still Edwards For Me! Live In FL, So Already

voted, and have decided, barring a "dust-up" in the works for Edwards, this is my last foray into activist politics!!

[Liberty Belle]

291. I think you're making a big mistake, and here's why.

Many progressive organizations endorse candidates. That's the democratic process.

If people quit every group in which a majority chooses a candidate other than your own, these groups will lose massive number of members and their effectiveness overall on the many, many issues with which you DO agree.

MoveOn has accomplished a great deal. Same with PDA, DFA, NOW, and many other groups which also endorse candidates through a totally democratic vote of their membership.

I belong to many organizations. Sometimes I agree with their endorsements, and sometimes I don't. But I continue to maintain my membership because these same groups are fighting against such abuses as the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, and the Iraq War. Some are pushing for impeachment. They are addressing global warming, protecting women's rights. Some groups have endorsed Obama, others Hilary. My Democratic Club endorsed Edwards, my first choice of candidates. I would not quit NOW (National Organization of Women) because they are supporting Hilary, nor would I quit MoveOn for supporting Obama or Progressive Democrats for backing Kucinich, as I recall.

Remember all those photos with piles of boxes filled with Move On petitions delivered to Congress? The right-wing fears MoveOn, which is why it attempts to demonize this very effective organization. We don't need progressives to abandon ship whining because a group's membership overall disagrees with your choice of candidate. Also note, this is the MoveOn PAC, not MoveOn.org. So you can disagree with the PAC but still support the nonprofit arm of the organization, if you wish.

United we stand, folks, divided we fall--and the bad guys win!

[hell-bent]

284. I asked Move On to remove my name

I sent them an email to remove my name from their list of contributors. They should not have taken a position of endorsing any Democratic candidate,eh. Hillary is going to be the nominee and then they will look like a fool.