Why Moveon picked Obama

[Guava Jelly]

Vote results from Moveon members
Obama: 197,444 70.4%
Clinton: 83,084 29.6%
ok I'm heading home now
Peace to all.
and for the record..
I like both candidates

[jlake]

1. The point is they shouldn't be dividing the party and spending resources

on the Democratic primary.

[Guava Jelly]

4. I can see your point about endorsing a candidate

But if other organizations do why can't they?

[rodeodance]

9. ONCE AGAIN: The leadership/org. did NOT endorse. this was member driven.

But if other organizations do why can't they?

[aquart]

14. They asked us to vote. They asked us if the vote should lead to endorsement.

I said yes. I knew it would go to Obama and I still said yes. I believe in democracy, which is majority rule.

[rodeodance]

16. " if the vote should lead to endorsement."---is key--at this point is it not?

[rodeodance]

6. Bingo---and I worte to them with my OPINE.

[cd3dem]

13. agree, agree, agree: unsubscribe

[neutron]

20. My membership stopped abruptly today.

Real Dumb, MoveOn.

[ihavenobias]

39. Answer *Honestly*: If It Were Hillary, Would You Be So Upset?

The PC answer is to say "yes, of course I would" but really think about it because it's far too easy to give that answer as a reflex. Saying "I don't know" is a fair answer here too.

That goes only for Hillary supporters who are arguing against the endorsement and or saying they un-subscribed from MoveOn.

[jlake]

40. Yes. I voted for Obama in their poll because it is a toxic endorsement & I Canceled my

membership as soon as I voted....before they announced the winner.
I have moved on from moveon.... and I guarantee you they have alienated some of their biggest funders.

[ihavenobias]

43. That was a quick reply so I *hope* you REALLY thought about it

but I guess there's no way of really knowing. At any rate, although I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, I have a very hard time believing that most of the upset Clinton supporters would be so upset about this if the situation were reversed.

Don't get me wrong, it's quite possible Obama supporters would also be doing the same thing if the situation were reversed. But I'm just observing the current situation as it is.

[goldcanyonaz]

2. Who did they endorse in 2004?

[Adelante]

They didn't, but only because the vote didn't reach 60% for any candidate nt

[rodeodance]

3. For the record, selected internet members selected him. NOT the organization

[question everything]

7. Thanks. It would be nice if the organization issued

a clarification.

[gateley]

5. I just don't understand why they felt they SHOULD endorse a candidate.

That's not how I understood MoveOn's purpose.

[onehandle]

11. It's not their purpose.

This was a mistake and the MSM will use it to hurt Obama.

[dempartisan23]

8. cool

the people there want to win the election. GOBAMA!!

[The_Casual_Observer]

10. Anybody audit that vote? Who knows where those numbers

comes from.

[murielm99]

12. What about the members who didn't vote

because they thought an endorsement was a bad idea? What about those who are still undecided?

Internet polls are not scientific. They should have stayed away from this.

[Gloria]

15. Very poorly done by MoveOn...they should have stayed out of it...

next email from them, I'm unsubscribing. Since I'm not interested in these two anyway...

[Maribelle]

25. And even though less than 10% of MoveOn members selected Obama ....

My local news did not report any numbers. My local new only said MoveOn has chosen Obama.

[Gloria]

37. More smoke and mirrors "reporting...."

[Bitwit1234]

17. I along with at least 15, 896 members of our seniors group

sent emails and cancelled. MOVEON BETRAYED US and they not getting any more of our money.................

[Guava Jelly]

18. that is your choice

Who betrayed you were the 197,444 members who voted for the candidate that wasn't your choice.
It is called Democracy..And you have every right to protest against the 197,444 including me who voted for Obama.
In the end this endorsement isn't going to mean shit.
People are panicking for no reason at all.

[KennedyGuy]

19. Senator Lamont and Prez Howard Dean..wish to thank MoveOn...

[calmblueocean]

29. I disagree with the majority of your posts, but you're right on target with this one.

The MoveOn endorsement is political poison to Obama's "big tent" aspirations. Buncha dumb fucks should've known that. They never should've endorsed.

[LSdemocrat]

33. MoveOn never endorsed Howard Dean

[GoldieAZ49]

21. they didn't put the numbers in the NYT article

makes it look like all members voted

[Catchawave]

22. I just quit MoveOn....

We needed them to help us attack rabid elephants, not split the Dems even further. 3.2 million members and only under 300k voted? For a guy who didn't help us one bit during the Betrayus fiasco?

Meh. I'm getting sick of these "progressive" dot orgs. We lost the only true progressive candidate with a clean shot at the White House.

[Maribelle]

23. Doing the math. Ten percent of 3,500,000 equals 350,000. Far less then 10% selected Obama.

It is not illogical to assume that many that did not vote did not want to pick anyone.

This will have nasty repercussions. But Soros will be pleased, and probably could care less what more than 90% of the members felt.

[robbedvoter]

24. They didn't have to PICK anyone. It wasn't a general vote - but a poll

We know that more of Obama voters are on line than Hillary's. What does this prove?
Why diss contributors who didn't even have a chance to vote? And more importantly, why use dem contributions against dems?
That's why I quit. And told them so.

[Maribelle]

26. My local news (yes local) reported MoveOn selected Obama

It didn't say less than 10% of the 3.5 million members selected Obama. It gave no numbers.

[suston96]

27. The numbers and the "poll".....

Some 280,000 moveon.org members out of 3.2 million voted in this endorsement question - by e-mail invitation and response. 197,444 Obama to 83,084 Clinton. Less tham 6% of members voted to endorse Obama.

Sure would like to see the demographics, age-wise, of the group that voted - by e-mail - by individual invite.

I thought better of moveon.org - the champions of real democracy.

[Maribelle]

28. This is a fraud; a naked attempt to sway voters.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

[Jed Dilligan]

31. Sorry, but

The Margin of Error, based on the population and sample size, is +/-18% with 95% confidence. Pretty high by polling standards, but...

The margin by which Obama defeated Hillary was 40.8%. Barring some kind of sampling error (very possible with e-mail polls), Obama did win this contest.

[suston96]

32. It was not a poll. Individual members were invited to vote. How were they picked?

At random? By age group? How?

[Jed Dilligan]

35. They were self-selected, much like people who choose to vote

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with a mail-in type of survey, though the researcher should be wary of selection effects.

[RetroLounge]

30. I'm not a supporter of either candidate yet

But what they did was nothing more than become irrelevent as far as I'm concerned.

They should support ALL dems. Now they are an arm of the Obama campaign.

I unsubscribed and will never donate to them again.

RL

[Guava Jelly]

36. I have never donated to Moveon.org just for the record.

I agree with the support all dems.
All I am saying is they held a vote and as small of a sample as it was (and it was)
2 out of 3 members who participated in the vote picked Obama.
I have no idea why they chose to interfere
Hell maybe just for publicity sake but they did interfere.
And anyone who disagrees has every right to not contribute and opt out of future emails.
Me I don't mind the spam..I normally delete 90% of political emails unread anyway.

[Clinton Crusader]

34. I wasn't even asked to vote!

[LaurenG]

38. I voted in that. Interesting numbers, I even posted a link here so everyone

who wanted to could vote up their candidate.

http://pol.moveon.org/2008/tempsurvey/survey3.html?id=12005-2648911-4KRVog&t=11

[Freida5]

41. How do we fire the Board and the President of Move On?

[cjmastaw]

42. The reason why Move On supports Obama is:

In Clinton's Iraq vote they saw John Kerry in 2004 alllll over again.

How Clinton responded to the question is what happened to Kerry. This would be the baggage that haunts Clinton, sorry to say.

Obama doesn't carry that baggage. And I know what some of you will say here. That Obama voted to fund the war repeatedly but that argument won't hold water in the general election. Why? a. If you didn't vote to start the war there wouldn't be a war to fund. b. It's not the troop's fault that their in this mess. To not fund them it is easy to say would be like punishing the troops given you don't know what Bush is going to do.

Everyone, even if you don't agree with this assessment please understand why I take this position. Republicans would do the same to Clinton that they did to Kerry and given how Clinton responded to this question in the debate last night, it's easy to see that she really doesn't have a clear enough answer. Many Democrats believe she is lying about her war vote and that's fair and that she should have just admitted that she made a mistake.