The MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION about Hillary and Barack ...

[Martin Eden]

Which one is likely to defeat the Republican nominee by the largest margin?

I think the general election will be very tough, and that the Democratic nominee will have to win by a significant margin in order to prevent another election from being stolen.

I will gladly cast my vote for Barack or Hillary. Either one will be orders of magnitude better than any of the Republican candidates. The future of our nation rests on the outcome of this election. It is IMPERATIVE for the Democrat to win.

Who will win more votes in the general election???

[tekisui]

1. Obama-- He carries Indys and moderate pukes.

[patrice]

Some of whom WILL abandon him for McCain. nt

[tekisui]

6. We'll see when the exit polls come out for a few more open primaries.

So far, the Indys have flocked to the Dems, and Obama in particular.

[sunonmars]

7. change that to most

[patrice]

8. You can tell that this is exactly what will happen by the way his "supporters" treat people on this

board.

[Levgreee]

13. So "some" abandoning him is not better than "few" supporting him in the first place?(like Hillary)

Obama has an edge among independents, hands down. If you say McCain will take Obama's independents, then you are saying that McCain will have those same independents(plus more) against Hillary.

[nonconformist]

5. And thus, loses a lot of true progressvies, GLBT voters and life long Democrats.

Someone who really appeals to moderate and fed-up Republicans gives me pause...

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. No kidding. Why do Democrats insist on pandering to repukes?

I REALLY don't want them in our party.

[Levgreee]

17. No one panders to the repukes

Obama invites independents and republicans to share in OBAMA'S agenda. He doesn't give up his goals for the republicans. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this. Would you refuse their votes and cooperation?

He plans on getting a working majority, hopefully around 60%. That leaves out a lot of Republicans, who Obama knows knows won't compromise and can't be satisfied.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. Yes he does. He wants to bring the very people that destroyed this country into the Democratic Party

just so he can win. They voted for this regime. And many of them voted for this regime TWICE even after they knew the psycho LIED about why he illegally invaded Iraq. They do NOT belong in this party. It's why he doesn't get my vote. He panders to repukes....and his message is pretty schmaltzy too. "Come together and sing Kumbaya", Hope...Hope...Hope....:boring: What we NEED is for this regime to be investigated and Obama will NOT investigate them. He has said so.

[nonconformist]

22. Me either. Haven't they pushed us to the right enough?

If they're unhappy with their own party, they should FIX their party... not try and hijack ours.

[LSparkle]

2. Obama

His comments about Reagan may not help him with our base but they were brilliant from a GE standpoint. (Indie voter thought bubble: "Any Dem who can admit that Reagan had an impact on the country can't be all that bad ... ")

New political term: Obama Republicans.

[nonconformist]

21. And that right there is what upsets me.

Fuck the base, fuck the loyal Democrats... let's pander to the moderate Republicans!

Seriously - why isn't this bothering MORE people?

I'm tired of MY vote just being taken for granted.

[Eric J in MN]

3. I think Hillary Clinton would do better in the general, because people feel they know her...

...and Republican sliming won't change minds.

I'm voting for Barack Obama in spite of this, but I won't mind if Hillary Clinton is the nominee for that reason.

[Submariner]

4. Obama

Many like myself cannot vote for Hillary because of her MANDATED health insurance that I cannot afford. Obama does not mandate health insurance.

[ecdab]

9. Where I see the big difference is in

the red states that both would likely not win. However, in those states I believe Obama could help a lot of borderline Senators and Congressmen win, while Clinton most likely would not be able to do so - and might actual hurt such candidates in a significant manner. I think either Obama or Clinton will fair well in the GE - so the question becomes who will expand the Democratic majority in Congress the most and who will expand the base of the Democratic Party the most? I think Obama is the easy answer to both.

[Martin Eden]

20. I tend to agree with you ...

... that Obama will attract more voters and help to build the Democratic base.

But you never know what goes through the mind of voters when they are about to pull the lever for a black man with the name Barack Hussein Obama. One would hope that deep-seated ignorance and prejudice resides in a small minority of voters, but I'm not so sure.

On the other hand, there are just too many people who will not vote for Hillary under any circumstances.

[ecdab]

29. One would hope

that such prejudices don't run too deep - but in places they will. That works against women as well as African Americans. I think Obama can more than replace the votes he will loose to the small minded and prejudice, and in doing so he will make the Democratic party and the USA both stronger and better.

An electorate that has been expanded to include many new voters that see beyond the color of peoples skin can only do good things for this nation.

Given the minor nature of the policy differences between Hillary and Obama, it is things like this that lead me to support Obama.

[polichick]

10. I think Obama will do better in the general...

Indies and Republicans are drawn to him too ~ and I think his message about a "new mindset" with regard to foreign affairs creates a clear and appealing contrast to McCain's shoot-em-up approach.

[Levgreee]

11. I feel Obama is close to a clincher

the young voter turnout he's given is a huge edge. He also adds independents and Moderates. Hillary voters, mostly Dems will stay 99.9% vote for Obama... but does she bring a large number of new votes to the table?

Clinton is disliked more among Republicans and Independents, motivating them to go out and vote if they wouldn't otherwise. Hillary has a lot of stuff that will be drug up, from her history... rightfully or not.

Hillary is also handicapped on the issue of Iraq because she supported the war in the first place, and cannot as well make the case that it is right to pull out. LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE STILL UNDECIDED, on whether we should stay the course. Obama can better convince people it's right to pull out, because he didn't say that it was a good idea to go in.

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. Hillary will beat McCain.

She has beaten repukes for years and years. She's been "vetted" and Barack has not been. We have no clue what's buried in his closet because the MSM is sitting on all garbage they have on him until the GE, should he win. Then they will inform the voters of what they know.

The repukes have attacked Hillary for years and she fought them off and won. They have looked in every nook and cranny of her life. There are NO SURPRISES left.

And she's good on the issues and knows her stuff WELL:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

[Levgreee]

16. That "It won't be a surpise" is a poor rationalization

the things that hurt her before will still hurt her now, when they are brought up again. People don't change to "approving" an issue they have with a candidate, because it's not brand new. And... it will still be a surprise to lots of people.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. No they won't. The ECONOMY is THE issue for this election. McCain knows nothing

about Economics. He's already said so. Hillary knows Economics inside out.

As for the IWR, she can stand with McCain on that. What's he going to do? Tell her she didn't support the war? She flip-flopped? The war is a NON-issue...the MAJORITY of people want us OUT of Iraq and so does Hillary.

As for her personal life....if they start that crap again they will lose even more votes. Bill Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating. The people didn't like the personal attacks and they won't put up with it again.

[Martin Eden]

26. I think IRAQ and HEALTH CARE will be the biggest issues in the general election.

The contrast between the Democrat and the Republican are HUGE on those two issues.

Iraq is of VAST importance, and the insurance & pharma industries will jump in with their well-funded scare tactics against Democratic health care.

[nonconformist]

24. How has it "hurt" her, though?

Her husband was a two-term wildly popular president, and she's won every election she's run in.

[Sybbis]

15. It's impossible to know the answer to this question right now...

Opinion polling is meaningless at this point in the election cycle. It will take the nominees going head to head in debates and on the campaign trail before an intelligent prediction can be made about any match-up.

In the primaries, it's a leap of faith and a guess. I have faith in Hillary's experience and in the strength of the Clinton political organization nation-wide. Others cite Obama's inspirational speaking style and they may be right. It's too far from the election and too hypothetical to accurately predict.

[Qutzupalotl]

18. The momentum seems to be going Obama's way lately.

There's excitement on both sides, but to me it looks like more for Obama. (But I am biased.) :shrug:

I would vote for either, but I feel better about Obama's chances at a landslide. He would sap some votes away from the moderate Republicans, while Clinton would galvanize them. He also presents a stark contrast--old vs. young--that IMO is even bigger than the gender difference.

[robbedvoter]

25. "significant margin in order to prevent another election from being stolen."How much the stealing

margin? Every time I hear that idiocy - I feel like screaming. Is there a limit to the stealing? How much? 3 million voter? 5? 6 million? (it's the number of votes spoiled nationally in 2000) :argh:

[Martin Eden]

27. Not sure what you mean.

Are you saying a BIG margin isn't necessary to prevent a stolen election?

[jbm]

28. Hillary..

Obama is the current movie star, but he lacks the substance to come across well in a real campaign. Hillary and Edwards went pretty easy on him. The repub will go for real damage, and I haven't seen anything in Obama that makes me believe he could take the hard hits.