It's fitting that MOVE On endorsed Obama

[cjmastaw]

For one, in the debate I saw how Clinton used the wedge issue of Latino against African Americans. I was hoping she wouldn't go there and she did. Black man has job taken away by undocumented worker. Wow! Obama's response of not scapegoating is befitting a candidate of change.

Move On voters decided that Clinton has too much baggage for the general and she resembles the divisive politics of old. She is probably a nice woman but she is too heavily entrenched in washington politics.

Her not being able to answer the question about the Levin amendment and how she came to vote for the Iraq War in which scores of people have been killed or wounded (4000 Americans killed - 1 million Iraqis killed -some 75,000 injured(including head injuries) probably contributed to so many voters turning away from her.

This question of how she arrived at her vote has been raised over and over again since 2003 and it is now 2008 and she has no clue how to answer this question. That is confounding. Republicans with their tricks are going to have it in for her just like they did for Kerry. He didn't know how to answer that question either.

And lastly, Obama spoke out in opposition to the war when it was unpopular to do so. He doesn't have to defend a vote he didn't cast and that's becoming to Move On members. They saw the debate and said, she believes she is ready to be president on day one and Obama countered with it is better to be right on day one.

That is the stuff of real presidents and Move on Members who are "progressives" as in moving forward saw this in Obama.

[jlake]

1. Yes it is. They pissed off the people who fund them and have self marginalized

themselves into nonexistence.
Time to move on from MoveOn.

[cjmastaw]

5. Candidates should take responsibility for their actions

This is really a non-starter. I was for Hillary before I decided that she didn't foster the sense of responsibility on key votes.

She did two things that roiled me.

She voted for the war. She voted for the bankruptcy bill.

Both votes undermine her core principle of taking care of the less fortunate. In both of these instances she was using a political calculus to appeal to the general election.

I hold her responsible for her vote even though she doesn't want to take responsibility for a vote that has hurt this country. Your vote is important. Her vote is important. If you weren't in the senate to vote then you don't have to be responsible for that vote.

Obama was in the senate when the bankruptcy bill hit the floor. He voted against it.

If a Republican had cast that vote wouldn't you hold him or her responsible for it? If they tried to wiggle out of it, wouldn't you be outraged? Please look at this logically. Hillary didn't take care of the men and women who fought and died in Iraq. Her vote should have been no just like Kucinich, just like Richardson. Now she has to bare the brunt of the responsibility for her vote.

Obama clearly spoke out against the war. Yes, he did fund it. But that is an issue in it of itself. He has to take responsibility for that vote. Let's be clear though. Voting for a war is not the same as voting for the troops because you don't know what the president will do if you don't. In layman's terms. If you didn't start the war then there would be no war to fund. That first vote is catastrophic.

She lost my support because the sanctity of human life is the most important part of life. The republicans devalued it. Her vote helped as well. As Obama stated in the debate. The title was "Iraq War Authorization". IT doesn't get any clearer than that.

It's too bad because I like Hillary but I'm not going to give her or any other candidate a free pass on this one. MOve On voters did the right thing in endorsing Obama. I hope the rest of the country follows suit.

[Bitwit1234]

9. And you know what they did.

The sent out emails to 2/3 of the people AFTER THEY MADE THE VOTE. We were supposed to send it back before 7PM the 30th and the vote was already taken and we didn't even get it. You are damn right they pissed off a lot of people. Maybe there wouldn't have been enough who voted to make a different but we should all have had a chance. They are sending in emails and canceling member ship right and left.

They are going to be hurt in the pocket book. Most of the people, like me, have been with them for years and years. I think we deserved the curtest to have been given a chance.

What does it tell you that only 183,000 people out of 3.2 million voted. The crooked organization didn't give the rest a chance. And if they did that, how do we know the vote was honest. How could you count 100 thousand who voted for the other guy and 83 thousand who voted for Hillary in such a short time. They have sent me two emails and asked me not to leave and I wish I could punch the nutso in the nose. All that time, all that money and they skipped us. We have 15, 768 senior citizen members that I know of I contacted over 100 in the last two days and NONE...NOT ONE RECEIVED THE VOTE EMAIL. Needless to say they are dropping out.

[Tom Strong]

11. "Time to move on from MoveOn." Love it. n/t

[jasmine621]

15. The wedge issue was Obama's pandering to the Latino vote.

The black woman who raised the question deserved an answer not a platitude. That's where Hillary has it all over Obama. She listens and tries to respond to the people with real answers. She gets clobbered for it but I think she showed Kim, the person who raised the issues, a lot more respect than Obama did. I am amazed that more blacks did not take offense to the way he just brushed her off.

[msongs]

2. both Hillary and Obama support the war by funding it. does MoveOn support it by default now? nt

[MercutioATC]

3. But only HRC voted for the war and refuses to admit she was wrong.

If the war is wrong, then HRC comes out firmly ahead in the wrongness race.

[ingac70]

4. I'm happy with Moveon's endorsement. n/t.

[calmblueocean]

6. MoveOn should've stayed the **** out of endorsing anyone. It's the kiss of death.

Both our candidates are trying to reach out to independents and even frustrated Republicans. I think MoveOn's endorsement specifically hurts Barack Obama because it becomes a talking point for all the O'Reilly's of the world -- and believe me, it will -- whenever Obama tries to sell his unity message.

Look at how angry their endorsement has made half the Dem base! It was a stupid, tin-eared thing to do. It showed a complete lack of understanding or care about the way politics actually works.

[we can do it]

7. I Think MoveOn Should Have Refrained from Endorsing Anyone

[judy]

8. This was not a "from the top" decision

MoveOn members voted for this...So it makes no sense to say "their decision makes me mad", or "happy" or whatever.

However, I have to say that Hillary lost me on the day after September 11th 2001 when she came out for a tv interview, and said "Oh yes, this is an act of war...the US military will do what is necessary, bla bla".
A lot of our current problems come from the blind acceptance of the completely false statement that the attack was an "act of war".
It was not. And coming from someone as hyper intelligent as Hillary, it strikes me as opportunistic and disigenuous at best.
September 11th 2001, was a crime of mass murder by individuals and as such should have been left to international law enforcement, followed by public trials, etc.
But that's if someone really wanted to find out what Sept.11th 2001 was about, who financed it and who orchestrated it.

So, I, a Kucinich supporter, I think will vote for Obama. Not because of MoveOn of course, but because I don't trust Hillary's sincerity.

[Freida5]

10. I am through with Move On.

[Andromeda]

12. Move On will get no more money from me.

endorsing Obama was the stupidest thing they could do.

[ima_sinnic]

13. but if MoveOn members had voted "your way" it would be the smartest thing

.... whatever ...

HRC supporters should just accept the fact that she is just not that popular among progressives. 70% of those who voted, did so for BO--that really gives me hope that she will NOT win the nomination, if that is any reflection of the Democratic primary voters.

[Cha]

14. Precisely.. imasinnic,

too!

[usregimechange]

16. I agree

[KennedyGuy]

17. It's too bad Obama didn't vote for them in the Senate