Obama’s African Hubris

[boston bean]

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/31/obamas-african-hubris-2/

I suppose it is too much to ask of Obama supporters to read the following material and appreciate the arrogance and ignorance displayed by Senator Barack Obama, but folks, it appears he is going to do for Africa what George Bush has done for Iraq. Only worse. He is taking sides in a tribal war in Kenya that is on the verge of becoming a Rwanda-like genocide.



Really? Let’s start with this uncomfortable fact. The leader of the Kenyan Orange Democratic Movement opposition leader, Raila Odinga, is Barack Obama’s cousin. Barack may not put much stock in the relationship, but tribal allegiances are still strong in Kenya and Barack is clearly viewed as a Luo by his fellow tribesmen. Robert Ethan reported recently that:

Barack Obama has had a major impact on the recent disputed Kenyan election. He spoke in support of Orange Democratic Movement opposition leader Raila Odinga when in Kenya in 2006. The two men met last fall when Odinga visited America as each was preparing an “insurgency” campaign in their respective countries. In a recent BBC interview, Raila Odinga, averred that he and Obama were “old friends who spoke often on the telephone”. Odinga also said that he and Obama were cousins, a claim that the Obama campaign was unwilling to acknowledge, (given Odinga’s current difficulties) but did not deny.

Great. Obama’s cousin wants to be president. Is there a familial gene? If you are like most Americans you are blissfully unaware that two of Kenya’s tribes–the Luo and Kikuyu–are killing each other over a disputed election that Odinga, Obama’s cousin, claims was stolen from him. This dispute has been accompanied by violence:

[billbuckhead]

1. Obama will send American troops into Africa

There's lots of oil there and we need to keep it away from the Chinese. That's why National Petroluem Radio loves him so much.

[BeyondGeography]

13. Keep it up, and Obama will send you to Africa

We're keeping a list, you know. The white man has it coming to him, Bill.

[billbuckhead]

16. Yep, winning more hearts and minds for Koolaid drinkers everywhere

[Bitwit1234]

22. We all say that we can't be taken in by a cult but

a heck of a lot of Americans have been. A smooth talking clone of the Jim JOnes type. What will happen when they wake up.

[cali]

28. You're comparing Obama to Jim Jones?

GFY. repeatedly.

[boston bean]

38. no i think he is comparing obamas followers to jim jones followers, not that I agree with that,

mind you.

[1corona4u]

48. They'll be in Africa.

;-)

[ecstatic]

32. LOL! nt

[Olney Blue]

2. WTF?

:wtf: What does this have to do with supporting Obama for presidency?

[CorpGovActivist]

68. .

[cali]

3. Obama has NOT taken sides. At all.

This is a completely disgusting hit piece. Obama has written an editorial pleading for calm. He has done the same thing on Kenyan radio. And he has made it very clear that he will not take a side.

This is a disgusting hit piece. Shameful really. Not surprising at all that you posted it. It actually accuses Obama of being a party to the ethnic cleansing and any genocidal acts that may occur in Kenya.

[boston bean]

4. I didn't write it, Larry Johnson did. Take up your concerns with him.

He's a pretty well respected guy on this site.

[madrchsod]

9. there was`t one shred of evidence that links

obama to anything johnson said. johnson is well respected on this site? dam that`s really sad isn`t?

[thunder rising]

11. Oh an asshole to mouth relationship. Well, thanks for the concern. Obama is an American.

[mmonk]

58. Enough said.

I will discount it.

[CorpGovActivist]

71. Tell us more.

[karynnj]

18. Thanks Cali

[boston bean]

20. For what...

I would like cali to point out where in the article it "accuses Obama of being a party to the ethnic cleansing and any genocidal acts that may occur in Kenya."

It says no such thing.

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. Yikes. That's scary. Doesn't his Grandmother still live there?

I also saw a cousin interviewed on CNN, but it wasn't Odinga. I know he still has family there.

[george_maniakes]

6. I hate using insults because they serve no purpose....

but MY GOD READ UP BEFORE SPEWING THIS CRAP.

http://www.gwynnedyer.com/articles/Gwynne%20Dyer%20article_%20%20Kenya%20Hope%20and%20Betrayal.txt

Odinga is the good guy here. Your making him to be , what, just another african wanna be tyrant?

[boston bean]

8. I didn't do a god damn thing. I posted an article full of information

that many of you supporters, probably did not know. Like his cousin is Odinga.

If you got problems with the content of this don't take it up with me by making it a personal thing.

[thunder rising]

12. Can't even "man up to it" thanks bye!

[boston bean]

17. man up to what posting an article. you guys are a bit sensitive don't ya think.

and secondly I am not a man.

[george_maniakes]

64. You want to mention a cousin of obamas is running for president in kenya, and link this article,

great, who cares. You post a hit piece on odinga and obama, and refuse to take responsibility for it, thats cowardly.

Think about it, i post a free-republic article, that while mentioning something factualy true about hillary, is filled with utter crap. I say " hey look at that factually true tidbit in that article, we didnt know that before , its important". yes that maybe, but im also posting an obvious hillary hit piece filled with falsehoods. The very least you could do is seperate the point you wanted to point out, from the rest of the article.

[aquart]

7. This is all about Luo opinions. Who cares?

I would laugh my ass off if Obama sent American troops to protect a relative BUT IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

[mark_bruns74]

10. I wouldn't call it hubris,

but yeah, like the article said, the Republicans will use this to the hilt if he gets the nomination. Im still glad I voted for him though. Using Dick Morris wasn't too bright either

[jackson_dem]

14. This puts "Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton" in a new light

Let's get this straight: our choice is between Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton dominating one country and having the Obama clan dominating two countries?

[tabatha]

15. This makes it the second piece of crap I have read by this writer.

This is all hype, and tragic at that.

[alittlelark]

19. MEDIC....MEDIC.... we need help, the OP is off his/her meds!!!!

Honestly.....good grief!:silly:

[grantcart]

21. reading the comments there is no hubris because there is no support

of any faction and johnson states "Obama may have an innocent explanation for all of this'. He doesn't need to explain things that don't even happen.

Remarkably an important and informed expert on the mind of Johnson gives us the best explanation of this highly tendenatious article stating,

I have been supporting Hillary throughout this campaign, and at times I have sharply criticized Obama out of partisanship


yup click to the home page and the guy admits he is not the least bit objective.

[boston bean]

24. criticism sometime equals the truth. I don't think anyone should be

burying their heads in the sand over this.

I'm am posting information that could very well be quite important for general election strategy. People should be fully informed.

[grantcart]

26. there is no information beyond the fact that they shared some common

ancestors. There is no evidence provided that Obama has ever met these people

has the Clinton folk gotten this desperate? Well it will be over soon




Hillary is spending 2 1/2 days in CA trying to hang on while Obama is going state to state.

[boston bean]

27. he has been asked the question and will not answer. I think people can fairly read into that. nt

[grantcart]

33. who asked what question when provide link please

The allegation is that Obama conspired to send Dick Morris to Africa. This doesn't pass the laugh test.


What is the allegation and what are the facts.

and please don't submit the ramblings of a homocidal maniac.

Let's say a journalist who saw Morris in Africa (in between toe sucking a prostitute).

So this is about a former Clinton senior aide who is now prancing around Africa setting up a civil war

Right

The doctor will see you now, he just finished with Brittany.

[boston bean]

34. you need to go over the article again. it's in there. nt

[grantcart]

42. what independent journalist has confirmed any of the facts?

what independent journalist has asked Obama questions about this and not received an answer.

Are you so completely gone that you think any presidential candidate should stop and take the time to answer the ramblings from an admitted partisan blogger. I will get all of the answers you want the day after you obtain and publish the list of donations made to the Clinton library. If you have been paying attention real journalists doing real investigations have real questions about helping the president Kashikstan (sp) and getting an 8 figure donation back to the library. I am not alledging it because nothing has been established but it is being persued by professional investigative journalists.

On the bright side your pain will be greatly reduced in a few days and you won't have to embarass yourself on ramblings that would make Lee Mercer proud.

[boston bean]

44. I implore you to read the entire article and visit those little thingies called links

within his article. you may find your answers.

[grantcart]

54. the links which were to give us the heart of the matter

do not link i.e. robert ethan/dick morris.

the link to the Jerusalem Post is an obvious Israeli zealot who is criticising Carter and has such tired charges

as quote Barama's . . "Christian affiliations are a cause for alarm in and of themselves."

I didn't bother reading the New York Sun

the owner Conrad Black is currently in jail

After twelve days of deliberation, on 13 July 2007, a jury found Black guilty of three counts of mail fraud and one count of obstruction of justice, but acquitted him of the other nine charges, including wire fraud and racketeering. He faced a potential maximum penalty of 35 years in prison. His co-accused, Peter Y. Atkinson, John A. Boultbee and Mark Kipnis, were also found guilty.<23>

The above is from Wikipedia about Conrad Black and below about the New York Sun

The Sun is "known for its pugnacious coverage of Jewish-related issues";<7> in particular, it is "a strong proponent of Israel's right to defend itself."<8> It has published articles by pro-Israel reporter Aaron Klein.

The paper courted controversy in 2003 with an unsigned February 6 editorial arguing that protestors against the Iraq war should be prosecuted for treason.<9><10>

According to Scott Sherman, writing in the left-wing magazine The Nation (4/30/07), the Sun is "a broadsheet that injects conservative ideology into the country's


whether you know it or not you are simply spewing far right with zionist bias propoganda. You should apologize and ask for the thread to be deleted. If you want to spew garbage go to a republican site.

[CyberPieHole]

23. If Obama is elected the posibility of the U.S. being dragged into a war in Kenya does exist...

and I want no part of it.

[boston bean]

25. I read the article and that is not what I take away from it. nt

[kikiek]

29. I saw a short piece in the paper recently that said he had called Kenya. It didn't give details. I

knew about the unrest over the elections, and found it odd he had done that. This explains why. One of the republicans I know said that she would vote for Hillary but not Obama. She said she wouldn't vote for him because he would send our troops to Africa. I scoffed at that, but maybe she was right. I don't want us to be the world police. I would like us to intervene if absolutely needed of course.

[Indenturedebtor]

30. Breaking

Many Clinton supporters are not averse to using Rovian politics!

Oh wait that's old news.

Nice. It's like people around here who say that I will vote Israel over America because I'm Jewish. Act like a Democrat would you?

[1corona4u]

49. BREAKING:: Many Obama supporters excuse

anything reported that they don't like about their candidate!!!

[Medusa]

31. This is the sort of crap I'd expect to see on Free Republic

but typical apparently at DU

[johnnydrama]

35. wait, does this mean

President Obama will pardon Dick Cheney because they are distant relatives too?

Larry Johnson has gone off the deep end. His blog used to be a great resource, and now it's just a propoganda outlet.

[Tellurian]

60. Well, I guess it's the one time Obama's telling the Truth..

He said he wouldn't prosecute Bush or Cheney..

Could be why Batman and Robin are a little ticklish if Hillary wins the GE.

[ProSense]

36. Larry Johnson approached the deep end

and jumped! He is Taylor Marsh's new ally!

[Lucinda]

37. The Jerusalem Post and NY Sun articles linked in the article

are also worth checking out.

[MoonRiver]

39. If Democrats are so God damn stupid that we nominate such

a flawed candidate then we probably deserve to lose. But if, as expected, superior candidate Hillary Clinton wins, I really hope she does not make Obama her VP. We don't need his baggage.

[Little Star]

41. I would not oppose him as her VP 'IF' he gets fully vetted. On

things like Rezko, his missing IL senate records, etc. We need to know who he really is, not just who he says he is! If he gets a good vetting and everything comes up clean, he's good to go. jmho

[MoonRiver]

43. All of that must be thoroughly checked out by Clinton.

There's too much at stake to put someone on the ticket who has major "issues."

[boston bean]

45. I wish the media would ask these questions so we could get answers, either way.

[MoonRiver]

46. They will, but only when it is too late for us, i.e. when and if he is the pres. or vp nominee.

[boston bean]

47. you are probably right. nt

[Thrill]

56. You mean like nominate a candidate that will fire up the Republican base?

and can't attract Independents? Can't say they were against the war in Iraq? Hillary is by far the most flawed candidate. And is a sure lost

[alittlelark]

62. I was a teen in the 'my pet rock' marketing blitz

I didn't buy one then....... I'm not gonna buy one now.

[BlackVelvet04]

40. Here's another quote:

You’re missing the point. Obama may have an innocent explanation for all of this. Problem is, he has declined to offer one so far and has not faced any tough questioning on the matter. When do you want Obama to field these questions: 1) During the Democratic primary, or 2) During the debate with the Republicans after the convention?

I freely admit I am a Hillary supporter, but if Obama is nominated I will vote for him. Does this stuff need to be addressed now?

[Indenturedebtor]

50. Oh come on

You really believe that he's somehow behind the crap that's going on in Kenya? Just because he may have said some kind words about a Kenyan relative? I mean really. Stop the smear. I support the right of Israel to exist... doesn't mean I support everything that it's ever done.

He hasn't answered to it most likely because it will be turned into smear either way. The pukes wouldn't bring it up because it smacks STRONGLY of racism. How does he benefit by this association? How?

From projected oil profits that will benefit his Exon etc campaign donators? Oh that's right he doesn't have any.

Silliness.

[BlackVelvet04]

51. No, I didn't say I thought he was behind it....

I asked if the questions need to be asked and answered NOW instead of later during the G.E. should he be the nominee.

[BlackVelvet04]

52. I want to make an observation....

you jumped straight to defensiveness when I only asked if it should be discussed now. I didn't attack him in any way, shape or form.

[ArkySue]

53. kick

[Indenturedebtor]

59. Sorry wasn't really replying to you

so much as to the post... I read to the bottom and hit reply.

[Thrill]

55. Some of you should just become Republicans

The way you distort shit

[IndianaGreen]

57. President Clinton didn't do shit about Rwanda

which happened under his watch. Did Hillary say anything to him about it?

[JCMach1]

61. And what about the rest of the world? the UN? What could he have done in retrospect?

The genocide there was, of course, very horrible and happened VERY QUICKLY.

So, give the Republican talking points a rest.

[cooolandrew]

63. Barack has used his influence to plead for peace in the region ...

... I can only see his connections as a bonus in that part of the world Africa will sit up and listen to Barack I can envisage a huge drop in violence once he becomes president.

[george_maniakes]

65. the fact that he has a cousin in kenya who is a legitimate fighter for democracy...

can only help both men.

edited cause i mispelled the word "fact". yes, it does happen.

[boston bean]

66. legitimate fighter for democracy is not a fact. nt

[george_maniakes]

72. odinga spent time in jail in kenya fighting for democracy against moi...

and his regime...thats a fact. this issue can only help obama, so keep it up.

[CorpGovActivist]

70. .

[CorpGovActivist]

67. But will Obama use Africa as a distraction ...

... during "http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4348089&mesg_id=4348089">troubled times" while in the White House?

- Dave

[Adelante]

69. Boy, am I getting sick of you fuckheads nt