Every "I refuse to vote for Barack or Hillary in the GE" thread should be put on IGNORE!

[RiverStone]

I'm an Obama fan, but if Hillary wins the nom - she has my vote.

Why do certain posters insist on spewing anti-Obama or anti-Hillary rhetoric to the point or working against the Democratic party in the General Election?

It's not rocket science; if you refuse to vote for our nominee - your aiding the war mongering puke bastards that want to do every thing they can to introduce more religion into your government and further erode your personal liberties and privacy. Not voting could = 100 years more in Iraq - probably 2 new rightie wacko judges for the SCOTUS. For fuck's sake - if your going home or 3rd party on November 5th - what possible good does it do for the common cause on DU or the party at large to throw a perpetual tantrum and make refusal threats with every fucking post?

You want to waste your vote - go home, sit in the dark - and waste it.

Tell me why you don't want Obama or Hillary, or far better tell me why you WANT Obama or Hillary. But tell me your gonna NOT VOTE DEMOCRATIC in the GE and that deserves nothing but an IGNORE. I'm sick of these folks feeding the freeper trolls. It serves no other purpose.

And if the whining continues past our convention this summer, you might as well start planning your tombstone.

End of rant. :rant:



On edit: added the rant smilie - just to make it official

[HughMoran]

1. It's called "hide thread"

...and coincidentally I just hid one related to your posts topic just before opening your post - so I guess I agree.

[RiverStone]

6. Thanks for the technical correction - make it HIDE then.

I so rarely ever hide/ignore a thread - but now we are 4 days out of Super Tuesday.

I try to ask myself if what I'm posting serves the causes we believe in - or not. Why post anything that can bring folks down at this point? We need every ounce of momentum.

It is possible (see last nights debate) to disagree without setting off an explosion and walking away from the party in the process.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

2. What if Clinton declares her voters won't vote Obama but she'll get your vote?

Then what?

[RiverStone]

7. I can only take responsibility for MY vote....

And it will be for the Democratic nominee.

[NanceGreggs]

3. All I can usefully add is ...

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[saracat]

4. People will stop after the convention but not before.Some of us are very disappointed and disgusted

with our Party at the moment.And it is our right to be. Some of us don't like the way our choice of candidates has been strong armed by our party with the assistance of the media.I don't like either of our choices.I have already voted, thank God and for who I think is a good choice.Come November, I am afraid my choices will be limited. Some of us will leave both DU and the Party.Others will stay but be quiet concerning the nominee. Other will leave the party but stay on DU and post of other things.This is up to the individual poster.I object to the censorship you imply. We retain the freedom to disagree.That is part of why we are Democrats.We don't have to always love our Party.

[RiverStone]

10. This is a "Democratic" forum

saracat, I empathize with your frustration and yes - a wonderful man was marginalized by the corporate-media. John deserved a hell of a lot better and I dearly hope he is the next AG, SCOTUS Justice, or VP candidate.

But this is not an open political forum.

Rule 2 (in forum rules) reads as follows:

2. Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an on line community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

I don't see how 'refusing to vote for the Dem nominee' is supportive? Of course, we do censure on occasion but that's left to our wonderful mods. Part of being on Democratic Underground.

And I am very grateful for this place!

[saracat]

15. Sure but they will stop after the nominee is selected.We have no nominee!

Those posts will not be allowed after the convention.To say you won't support the nominee means nothing at this point as such a person doesn't exist! Right now this is just venting. Not helpful you say? Maybe but still it is what we do.

[RiverStone]

18. For some, it is far more than venting...

I won't call any poster out by name, but I swear I think some must stay up 24/7 to create as much negative and condescending material as possible.

My experience observing the Obama/Hillary haters is they have a singular mission - and sadly, remind me of a suicide bomber. They only want to destroy and tear folks down - no balance there at all.

And if it means declaring X 1000 "I won't vote Dem in the GE" - they don't give a shit who they take down with them. I just don't see how that kind of destructive and relentless name calling does DU or the party any good.

We are here to win and kick puke ass right?

[bluestateguy]

5. I hope Skinner and the other admins. have a mass tombstoning of those people

As soon as we have a nominee, Skinner and the other administrators should have a mass tombstoning day to get rid of the crybabies who won't be team players in the Fall election.

[Desertrose]

8. and shut down all voices that disagree?

Some frikkin *UNDERGROUND*, then,huh?

Crybabies?
Team players?

What is this...highschool???

[RiverStone]

11. see post 10. rule #2

It may be hard to believe, but there are rules here.

The bandwidth used on DU is to support the Democratic party and our nominee for President.

That does not mean we can't disagree - it's the primaries - that's called democracy! But REFUSING to support our party in the GE is an entirely different thing.

[cgrindley]

22. Couldn't agree more

I'm certainly going to volunteer either for Obama or Clinton when they secure the nomination. We NEED to get a Dem elected to end the madness. These assholes saying that they won't vote for either need to fuck off.

[greyl]

19. Are there any boards you post on that never ban anyone and never delete threads? nt

[TexasObserver]

9. I am so disgusted with some of the titles, I'm using Hide thread

Heavily.

I don't want to have to see such things while I'm reading the board. If the title reveals harsh disdain for Hillary, Barack, Teddy Kennedy, or Edwards, as four examples, I hide it. Those threads have the look and smell of an overused porta potty.

[MediaBabe]

17. I don't want to have to see such things while I'm reading the board

That is exactly how I feel. I'm not here to revel in unpleasantness so I also hide obnoxious thread titles. Glad to see there are others like me.

[ErnestoG]

12. No, this is educational actually...

It shows how ridiculously far the cultists will go for their guru. They will shit on the very foundations of their party to do so.

[RiverStone]

16. Its simple -

You sit out - you aid the pukes.

Call it Guru, cultists, or what-ever-the-fuck you want. Glad your learning something.

But if in the end, you chose to NOT vote Dem - why ErnestoG are you here on DU at all?

[lligrd]

13. If You Ignore Them

How can you possibly change their minds?

[Hoof Hearted]

14. I'm with you on that one! It's a great time to be a Democrat.

We are now fielding two solid, progressive and historical candidates. No election can please everyone, but fuckin-a, we could be a whole lot worse off than this, that's for sure.

[ngant17]

20. mirrors my thoughts exactly

I don't think Hillary will be the best candidate, and Obama will be the best candidate. But I will have to support her, because I think the probability of less foreign wars will occur if a Dem becomes POTUS. It's possible Hillary will become a Presidente Violeta Chamorro of Nicaragua, I hope not, I've written a thread or two about this "tragedy of a female president", but we have to vote for the lesser of the 2 evils.

John McCain is the evil which we don't want as POTUS. I personally think he will make an excuse to invade Cuba or Venezuela, like it was another bothersome Iraq, and a million Cubans and/or Venezuelans will die if he is elected. I don't want that blood on my hands.

[davidthegnome]

21. Interesting

I'm not thrilled about our candidates, but whichever one of them gets the nomination will get my vote. Nonetheless, I can't imagine running in the democratic primary and not even mentioning certain key issues that, as we are aware, have not been mentioned. I'll throw in my vote for my party, but I don't have to be happy about the nominees. My guy was Kucinich.

I don't see, by the way, where it states in the rules that we specifically MUST endorse a democrat for the Presidency or not voice our opinions if we choose not to. I would say that an effort should be made not to trash our candidates, sure. But if they do something we disagree with, or have a voting record we question, I see no reason not to bring up those issues here.

Far better that those of you who are more supportive of our candidates enlighten us more as to why, than to censor disagreement.

My own personal issue, more than the rest, is the Patriot Act. I have no clue on where Clinton or Obama stand on that. Anyone know? Such information (with link/s please) would be appreciated.