If Obama gets the nomination, expect massive defections to McCain from dems 65+

[Herman Munster]

Old democrats simply don't "get" Obama. Many of them will find much more in common with McCain.

[BeyondGeography]

1. To make this a proper Herman thread, you should put "white dems 65+"

[Herman Munster]

4. It'll mean Florida is gone for one

it won't be competitive at all.

[BeyondGeography]

9. I like your approach: Let's live in fear of what old people might do

I don't know about you, but I'm pumped.

[NJObamaWoman]

12. Hey maybe some of us young folks will off set that.... ya never know

[BeyondGeography]

16. Nah, young people don't vote

Remember?

[NJObamaWoman]

19. LOL I'm actually so pumped to vote. This will be my first primary.

Thanks Barack & Michelle for inspiring me to believe in the American dream.

[demo dutch]

46. Yeah but you're the exception, you're on DU, you're in the minority

[rodeodance]

76. ~ALL FIRED-UP FOR THE LADY~ YES SHE CAN, YES WE CAN~

[bluedog]

70. Florida Ballot.......watch the GOP turn out hugh!

because of whats on the ballot in November


Gay marriage on ballot

An initiative to ban same-sex marriage in Florida is certified for the November vote


http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/02/State/Gay_marriage_on_ballo.shtml

[Libby2]

41. Sadly, I agree. n/t

[1corona4u]

56. Well, that would be racist, wouldn't it?

[BeyondGeography]

61. No, that would be Herman

where's your monkey puppet, by the way? You know, the one that got your little thread locked the other day.

[1corona4u]

71. Funny, so you can diss whites, but no one can say anything

about blacks....hypocrite.

By the way, if you believe in evolution, we ALL came from apes (monkeys)....

Let me just edit for clarity, so you don't go off the deep end;

Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed 5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.

[rodeodance]

77. hm IS no MORE RACIST than you or I. It is Inapproprate to toss out race-baiting slurs!

[gulliver]

90. If you admit the point pertains even to just 65+ whites, then uh-oh.

Racist or not, if 65+ whites defect to McCain, it is curtains for Obama. I would argue it is more like 45+ and not just whites. The effect would not be racist unless you can show God told you he read people's minds and gave you a report. Jumping to racism to explain away any electability issues Obama might have keeps his supporters blind and offends his potential supporters.

[cooolandrew]

2. They aren't the base what we lose in conservative Dems we gain in independents and cross overs to ..

... plus figures.

[rodeodance]

3. I think there is some truth to that statement whether people want to admit it or not

[NJObamaWoman]

11. And then there will be many Young people who wont vote or vote

for someone else if HRC gets the ticket. You can say the same thing about all the independents that Obama has as well. He is right when he said a lot of his supporters WONT vote for HRC. I'm one of them :evilgrin:

[rodeodance]

84. then toss your vote away. selfish act.

[aquart]

5. Isn't that nice. A young punk trying to start an age war.

[CL Avenger]

6. I have a better one

If Hillary gets the nomination, say hello President McCain.

:hi:

[Tarheel_Dem]

99. not to mention what she'll do to down ticket races.....

[Tweed]

7. In other words, "I don't have any real reasons for you to vote for Hillary, let me try to scare you"

Way to use the politics of fear. Good luck using that to win over Dems!

[RiverStone]

8. Oh Herman - you know there are far, far more folks that won't vote for Hil - then Barack...

I'd vote for her, but I assume I'll be very enthusiastically voting for Barack instead!

QUESTION: If Barack is the nominee, are you going to vote for him?

[Herman Munster]

10. I'm a democrat

I'll vote for him but that's all he'll get out of me.

[RiverStone]

13. That's exactly how I feel about Hillary

Wow - we agree on something!

I'm also a democrat and will be voting that way no matter who the nominee is.

I appreciate that you feel the same way.


peace~:)

[NJObamaWoman]

15. I'm sure a good percent of those Florida Dems will do the same.

I don't think he will lose Florida. IF he gets the ticket I think he will wear Floridians down with tons of campaigning.

[demo dutch]

69. He'll lose Florida. Florida is a moderate state with a moderate republican governor.

[still_one]

37. Then if you want our support also, then treat us with respect /nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

58. HA!

:silly:

[Perky]

66. The why the Hell are you supporting Hillary????

[rodeodance]

85. I see you have bought into the Obamaspek.

[calmblueocean]

14. So 65+ anti-war Democrats will suddenly decide to vote for a pro-war candidate?

You must think older people are a lot more feebleminded and shallow than I do.

[CL Avenger]

17. Bravo

You took the words right out of my mouth......

[rodeodance]

79. shallow minded post

[calmblueocean]

91. So you think older folks are politically retarded, then? I really don't get you.

The notion that Democratic voters of any age are going to "switch to McCain" when he doesn't represent them on the issues is just idiocy.

[NJSecularist]

18. The politics of fear

Gotta love it.

Karl Rove loves to use it. Now it appears that Hillary's supporters are using the tactic.

[andyrowe]

20. Called it.

Bam!

[NJObamaWoman]

22. Hey did you hear that Obama is going to be in NJ.

I think your a HRC supporter right? But I know your from NJ so I wanted to throw that out there. I heard he's suppose to be in Hackensack on Monday.

[NJSecularist]

23. Thanks for the heads up!

I appreciate it. :)

[NJObamaWoman]

24. No problem. I'll pass on more info when available.

I wonder if our newspapers will endorse anyone.

[NJSecularist]

25. I haven't seen an endorsement from the Asbury Park Press yet

Perhaps on Monday...

[NJObamaWoman]

27. Or NJ Star Ledger or Bergen Record. Its strange because it seems

no paper is endorsing anyone in NJ.

[ErnestoG]

21. I love your scare tactics. Maybe I should add some ominous organ music to your post...

[quiller4]

26. This old Dem gets Obama and so do many of my neighbors

I live in a seniors community. Obama has many fans here including some independents well over 75.

[FrenchieCat]

28. The politics of hate.......

Got to love how obvious this is!

Divide and compartmentalize us all in a neat bunch of jellybeans by color, and then eat each color group, one at a time!

So far, coming from the Hillary Campaign:
Latinos don't vote for Black People
Women should only vote for women
White people don't vote for Black people
Old people don't vote for young candidates
Young people don't vote

Anything else you want to add, while you're at it?

How about Asians? Will they all want to go for the White one too? :shrug:

[rambler_american]

44. Yuck!

Jelly Beans were Reagan's favorite treat.

[Leopolds Ghost]

52. Those Jelly Beans look delicious!

Give me some of the "little brown ones" :evilgrin:

[EffieBlack]

80. Another one:

Women voting for the female candidate=empowerment
Blacks voting for the black candidate=playing the race card, bloc voting, racism, ignorance, a defilement of Dr. King's dream . . .

[juajen]

29. Just so you know, all young voters are not for Obama,

My 18yr old grandson is voting for the first time, and he's voting for Hillary. A lot of his friends are, also. I was surprised.

[loveangelc]

30. McCain is the person Obama should want to go up against. Imagine when they debate on tv.

Obama is 25 years younger than McCain. Not that that's all that matters, but have you seen McCain during a debate? He is very unlikeable and I think the argument for old vs new will be made sooooooooooooooooo much easier!

[Seabiscuit]

31. Aw, come on. Us oldster Dems would NEVER vote McCain -

Even if this was our nominee:

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

32. That's bullshit.

You don't say what your claim is based on, but the old Dems I know are a) party loyalists, b) understand how government works and why it matters which party is in the WH, and c) have lived through enough administrations to know how much better they fare under a Dem.

[Liberal In Texas]

34. I'm an old democrat. I think this post is so full of it...I'm with you...! n/t

[scheming daemons]

33. If Hillary gets the nomination, expect massive defections to McCain from dems

...and expect to lose badly among independents and disaffected Republicans.


Young Democrats simply don't "like" Hillary Clinton.

Independents simply loathe her.

[cali]

35. what orifice did you pull that out of, hermie?

never mind. I know. You have no evidence that will happen. The fact that they're voting for Hilly doesn't mean that they'll go for McPain if he's the nominee.

[still_one]

36. Do you really want me to vote for Hilary in the general election if she gets the nomination

THEN STOP SPREADING CRAP LIKE THIS

I have already voted by absentee ballot for Obama in California, but if you think you are helping your candidate by misinformation, then continue this tatic

If Hillary gets the nomination, and you think you can win without Obama supporters, then think twice before you insult their intelligence

[girl gone mad]

38. My 67 year old FIL loves Obama.

He told me he can't wait to vote for him and it's time for Baby Boomers to pass the baton. He would have voted for McCain in 2000, btw.

[michaz]

39. I know many 65 year olds and over that are going to vote for Obama.n/t

[the other one]

40. But they will tell the exit pollster "Obama"

because they will want to appear politically correct.

[rambler_american]

42. I begin receiving Social Security benefits this month

Unless the Dems put up Zell Miller or the equivalent there is no way I'd EVER vote for McCain or any other Republican.
WTF are you talking about?

[suston96]

92. Congrats - betcha you thought that SS would be broke before you got there....

....I know I did. LOL.

[suston96]

93. My parents died many years ago, but they are both voting for Hillary......

...a president just like FDR.

[robbedvoter]

43. I don't know about the "to McCain" - but eagerness to vote may be tampered

by the contempt showed repeatedly on the campaign trail.
I say, a lot of them may simply stay home. Especially those from Florida. And Nevada.

[1corona4u]

57. Yep....

[MaineDem]

45. My 87 year old mother supports Obama

She has nothing in common with Republicans.

I think you generalize too much.

[AP]

47. And expect massive defections of male Democrats over 35 if Clinton gets nominated, and apathy from

young dems.

[psychopomp]

48. Would you mind if I don't expect that outcome?

In fact, I think you underestimate the wisdom of Democratic voters sixty-five and older.

[demo dutch]

49. and underestimate the stupidity of those 45 & under,who claim they'll NEVER support Nominee Clinton!

[La Coliniere]

50. My 78 year old white mother

LOVES her Obama. I've always been an Edward's supporter, but mom has been firmly in the Obama camp since day one. Whenever she sees him on tv she chokes up and gets all teary eyed. She spends hours channel surfing seeking out "Obama talk". Can't say this behavior is typical, probably not. I think it's really funny though, and it casts doubts on your prediction.

[Yurovsky]

51. The drycleaners called ... your Klan robe is ready*

nm

[Thrill]

53. Until his shit is called to the carpet

[Vinca]

54. If older Dems defect to McCain, they're war-mongering fools.

What's not to get about a positive, upbeat message? If the choice is between Obama and a semi-senile, Bush-hugging codger who wants 100 years of war, any Democrat who votes for McCain wasn't a Democrat in the first place.

[zulchzulu]

55. Based on the crap you pulled out of your ass?

Please illustrate your flawed "theory"...

:boring:

[surfermaw]

59. Sort of like when voters thought Edwards coudn't win then went Rep. in S.C. Primary

Republicans voters are a stuborn bunch, they will vote for you in a primary then turn Repulican in the General Election, better watch them people

[cgrindley]

60. Good Riddance (nt)

[Adelante]

62. You mean Hillary's base won't vote for the nominee if it's Obama?

Say it isn't so :wow:

[Dawgs]

63. Both of Parents(+65) have voted for Obama in Florida.

So have many of their friends.

You're just wrong... and plainly desperate.

[Danger Mouse]

64. So now you speak for senior citizens as well?

Putz.

[Perky]

65. And a huge number of Young voters to replace them

As evidenced by the last four primaries.....you have the poliircalk saavvy of a gypsy moth.

You do not have a shed of of empirical date to support that contention. Not a shred.

[demo dutch]

68. Young voters are unreliable. Case in point the 2004 election!

[Perky]

74. They are showing up for the primaries...

tht is why the numbers are doubling at each primary and why they are going 70& for Obama. It is generational.

[demo dutch]

86. What happend to the University crowd in NH?, and the University crowds in FL

[electron_blue]

67. You just saying this? Or have you stats to back it up.

My mother has been enthralled with Obama since she first heard him speak a year ago. She'll vote for him this Nov if he's on the ballot. She's 69. My father and stepmother would never vote for McCain, even if mickey mouse ran for the Dem ticket. They might vote independent, but Obama is not going to cause them to defect. Frankly there are an awful lot of people 65+ who have waited their whole life to vote for someone like obama.

ps -My parents live in Florida and are white. Yeah, this is anecdotal, but I think you're very wrong to claim there wil be a mass exodus, presumbably because Obama is black and young.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

72. I don't think registered Democrats will go for McCain

McCain has nothing to offer.

[demo dutch]

88. Voters in the South might and Latinos have little to lose!

[suston96]

73. Maybe worse than that - congressional election going on too - the coattails that aren't there....nt

[Perky]

75. Now that is a debate I would like to have.

I think you are flat out wrong.


Hillart willhave no coattails....she is going to cause ticket splitting.....Obama will hring millions of voters to the polls and help solidifiy control in any copmpeterd moderate district where the GOP incumbent is the least bit vulnerable.

GOP reps will do very wel running as an incumbent against Hillary rather than the their opponent.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

82. You are seriously fucking kidding me.

I'm pretty involved in local politics where I live and we're having a hard time recruiting candidates because they are afraid they don't have a chance with Hillary Clinton at the top of the ticket. She mobilizes the RW base, who are very good at voting R all the way down the ballot. Unfortunately, the Dems and indies who will vote for Clinton will not do that. Thus, we lose local seats. With a less polarizing candidate like Obama, there's a better chance that the wingnuts will stay home.

[demo dutch]

89. The South might defect and Latinos have nothing to lose in McCain

[mrreowwr_kittty]

96. McCain is HATED by the rabid right

The ONLY thing that would bring them out in droves to vote in 2008 is Hillary Clinton.

[demo dutch]

78. Especially in the South, yes it's sad but true.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

81. If Clinton gets it, expect massive defections from young voters to 3rd parties

Those kids just don't "get" racebaiting like the old folks do.

[demo dutch]

87. Oh congratulations on your NADER election! I think we've learned that lesson

[mrreowwr_kittty]

98. Hey, I'll vote for Her Inevitableness. With my nostrils pinched.

I can't guarantee what Obama's under 30 voting bloc will do. That is all.

And WTF is with this comment? Isn't the OP about Obama alienating older Dems?

[Heidi]

83. I guess every 65+ Democrat in my family is the exception to your "rule."

They all want to elect a Democrat, NOT a Republican.

[Rocky2007]

94. Dream on Herman

What are you smoking????

[livetohike]

95. Nice try. The 65+ crowd has seen a lot of presidential elections

and lived through some pretty hard times. It is precisely why they will vote for Obama :-).

[Radical Activist]

97. That does describe the typical Clinton supporter

at least from what I saw in Iowa. Its an interesting thought.

[JerseygirlCT]

100. Well, that definitely doesn't hold up with my experience

The people I know in that age bracket are set on Obama. Some are registered as Republicans, but happily moving in order to support Obama.

In fact, I think the bigger danger to us is if Clinton is the nominee. People will support McCain before Clinton. Obama draws better from independents, and even Republicans -- he'd give McCain a fight for those votes.

[krkaufman]

101. Utter speculation. Got any "facts" to back that up, or even any polling? n/t

[BringBigDogBack]

102. Dumbest. Post. Evar.

[newmajority]

103. I can assure you that my 66 year old mother will be voting for Barack Obama

My 76 year old father will as well, but right now he's a little bummed that Edwards dropped out.

[gmudem]

104. More scare tactics based on absolutely nothing.

In other words, par for the course for HM.