Jesus! Did the Clinton era suck or what? How did we manage through it?

[Neshanic]

I mean all that peace, all that prosperity, paying down the debt? Wow what a horrible time you kiddies had during that time. Thank God you have Bush in to make sense of that awfull time, and now have a candidate that generation baits like a Rovian shill furiously rewriting the sixties.

I am so sorry for voting for this guy Bill. You have all made me seen the light. Now you can make me see how Obama is a compilation of a the warm and fuzzy of the Kennedy years, except he so much smarter and so much more pure.

You vote for him and he will be our Carter. No love there, as Carter was the probably the worst Democartic president we ever had. And before you pop off about how full of shit I am, you better have lived through that miserable time, and his miserable presidency that ushered in the conservatives.

Obama = Carter. He will not be up for the shitstorm that approaches.

Hillary will.

[dkf]

1. Clinton Era Suck? Should you be using those words together?

Just asking...

[Neshanic]

3. Laugh it up. You will see our Waterloo this fall.

[neutron]

38. We were making 6 digits during Clinton's era

5 digits before and after Clinton.

The Hollywood elite and fatcat politicians were too rich to be affected
so don't understand why nobody is buying into their anti Clinton horseshit.

[dkf]

44. I'm doing better now.

But that don't mean I'm voting for Bush or a Republican.

[meegbear]

5. Maybe if * got some blowjobs, the world would be a better place

[MonkeyFunk]

15. as they say

if the President can't get the occasional blowjob, who'd WANT the position?

[dkf]

27. Ah, so you do think Bill is going to do his thing again.

Good to know. I agree.

[MonkeyFunk]

41. How on earth did you arrive at that conclusion

from the joke I told?

Bill won't be President again.

And I hope Hillary gets all the blowjobs she wants. :eyes:

[dkf]

43. Looks to me like Bill is running for President

co-President.

I don't doubt he sees this as his chance for a 3rd term.

[MonkeyFunk]

45. You're entitled to your wrong opinion

[dkf]

47. Actually, it sounds like you were happy Clinton was getting his goodies

and indeed you encourage it.

Sorry if I misinterpreted your "joke". As they say, a joke is only half a lie.

[Girlieman]

37. It takes a while for the termites to destroy the foundation

NAFTA

Consolidation of media

Erosion of cafe standards

The list is long.

Sure, it was a great party, but o man what a hangover!

[Frances]

2. I wish you would express your ideas with more respect

Either Hillary or Obama will be much better than McCain.

If Obama is President, he will need Hillary's help in the Senate to get his program passed.

The same is true if Hillary becomes President.

[Neshanic]

4. Like Obama type respect and his minions here?

[Frances]

13. I have written a number of posts saying that comments

by some Obama supporters were having a very negative effect on me. I expect that they have had the same effect on other DUers.

I think we should all be respectful of both of our candidates.

[Raven]

6. I'm not looking to vote for Bill Clinton or the "Clinton Era" anymore

than I am looking to vote to bring back Camelot. I'm looking to vote for the future. Every time I read a post like this I begin to wonder if Clinton is coat-tailing...more name dropping than substance.

[Neshanic]

11. Obama can't handle the future. I am am going with experience.

[Raven]

25. OK, experience...HC was a lawyer, BO practiced law and taught.

Equal experience there? BO worked to organize poor communities, HC worked to help kids...equal experience there? Both are US Senators with HC having a few years on BO...not quite equal experience, but close. So, what are we down to to make the argument that HC is so much more experienced than BO? I can only conclude that it was HC's years as First Lady and that just doesn't cut it with me.

So, I think what has happened here is that the Clinton Campaign has put out this word "experience" and it is really a code word for bringing Bill back. Why don't you just admit it?

[Neshanic]

31. Hillary lived in the White House, she saw more than Obama did.

[demo dutch]

32. Older & wiser, a more seasoned politician

[Rageneau]

48. HRC has more experience as both a lawyer and a senator.

Nice try, attempting to blur the difference between Hillary's experience and Obama's. But even leaving aside her 8 years in the White House and 10 years in the Arkansas statehouse -- always functioning as a trusted advisor to her governor or president husband -- she also has more experience in private law practice and twice as much time in the senate as Barrack.

When it comes to experience, there is a LARGE gap between the two candidates.

[ArkySue]

55. Hillary also taught law

[Uben]

7. Clinton screwed up my life

During the nineties, I had a great paying job that allowed me to make large investments in the stock market, which was booming to high heaven.

Because of that prosperity, I retired in 1999 with enough to last me rest of my life. Now, I have to find things to do to fill my time. I never had that problem before Clinton took office. Darn you Bill Clinton!

[Neshanic]

9. Really, that must be a cross to bear. That bastard Bill and his presidency.

Imagine the gall of having eight years of hope and peace.

[Uben]

16. I know!

I'm going to pay him back, tho, by making his wife the "boss" That'll teach him!

[Neshanic]

19. I will see you in the Gulag, after we vote. I will be by the "Obama Reducation Center For Old Farts"

[emilyg]

50. Oh yes. I want to "teach" him, too.

[SammyWinstonJack]

12. Well as long as YOU made tons of cash,are set for life, that's all that really matter.

:evilgrin:

[killbotfactory]

8. Our incarceration rate skyrocketed

We threw hundreds of thousands of people in jail and by the end of his term we had a higher incarceration rate than China or Libya. That's pretty awesome, right?

Another plus, people in jail don't count as unemployed or poor. So it helped contribute to the economic "miracle" of the nineties. Cool.

[Uben]

10. You are right!

Damn him for taking those criminals off the streets!

[Neshanic]

14. So we had a bad economy during the 90's. Is that your nutso point?

[Frances]

18. As I recall, African Americans were better off economically when

Bill Clinton was President than when any other person was President, including W.

[rodeodance]

20. yes, I have read that also.

[MannyGoldstein]

23. In Large Part Because Of The Clinton-Backed "Crack is Worse Than Other Drugs" Laws

Sentencing for crack was made far worse than for other drugs. I guess it was a good way to be seen as "tough on drugs" by the middle, while primarily %^#$ing an ethnic group that wouldn't dare vote Republican.

So clever!

Fortunately, the courts just overturned those sentencing guidelines.

[rodeodance]

17. Carter does so well at the statesman type. I am pround of him. but, yes

have to agree, during his presidency he was....I leave it to history

[Neshanic]

22. Come on, you can say it. He was an imbecile! With the tidal wave we have

coming at us, we like warm and fuzzy, not experience.

I wonder if he will give one of those Carter "give up" speeches when the economy goes from critical to basket case after monkey boy leaves.

[rodeodance]

52. no, he was a warm hearted man-naive at times. but I do agree with the

rest of the post.

[BenDavid]

21. Many of us Democrats who remember what a great president

Bill Clinton was are getting really offended by Obama who is now talking about the Clinton years
the same way Republicans talk about them. The Clinton's have a strong record of accomplishments and it is fundamentally dishonest for Obama to distort that record or any other obama supporter, when all they can respond back is "blow job".....

Personally I hope HRC beats the crap out of obama on 2/5.....

[Redstone]

24. Don't study history very much, do you? If you did, you would know what crippled Carter.

He kept a specific campaign promise that he made to the American people, and doing so torpedoed any chance for him to get any cooperation from Congress.

Do you know what that campaign promise was?

If you don't, you have no justification for condemning Carter.

Redstone

[Neshanic]

28. What? He presided over a catastophe. "Not to ever lie". Well you can not lie and still do something.

Please, no jsutification. He made Reagan republicans out of Democrats.

Obama will be so overwhelmed it's going to be tragic. Economy, War, rooting out the corrupt Bushistas....

[Redstone]

33. Nope. That's not the promise I was talking about. But go ahead and keep your hate

instead of actually studying history; it doesn't matter to me.

Redstone

[Neshanic]

35. Ok. It still does not erase his miserable presidency.

[Clinton Crusader]

26. You know, Neshanic , now that I really think about it,

you're right! I could throw my head in the oven for voting for that bastard! I must have been in a trance or hypnotized! And TWICE no less! I mean GEEZ, I had a high paying job, great benefits, there was peace in the world, no one was listening to my phone calls, when you said Happy New Year you freakin MEANT it, a surplus in the debt. I'm so glad so many on DU have finally seen the light and turned their backs on that SOB! And to think I finally met him and shook his hand to thank him! :uncontrollable shrieking:

And now that we have Jesus, Buddha, all four Beatles, JFK, RFK, Confucius, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln all wrapped up in one being rammed down our throats by the MSM, all our troubles are oVER! Happy Days are here again! Sing a song of cheer again! We ARE living in Camelot!

And now that this Supreme Being has told his supporters not to vote for ANYONE but him ever or I'll slap that grin off your face, I guess this election is over and I can go back to beating the crap out of myself for ever voting for that bastard Clinton who brought such freakin MISERY to this country with all surplus money and jobs and prosperity and peace, son of a bitch that he is!

Thanks, Neshanic, do I ever feel better for this cleansing!
:eyes:

[Neshanic]

29. That's why I am here. I was twisted and deluded, but now see the errors of my Clintonian ways.

[DiamondJay]

30. I'd have rather a 2nd Bush term, followed by Mr. Potatoe Head

and we coulda achieved this had we only nominated Jerry Brown or Bob Kerry. GODDAMMIT! Picture that. A Dan Quayle presidency, sounds even better than Dubya one.

[Armstead]

34. Beneath the Shiny Gloss of the Clinton Era big problems were brewing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4333840&mesg_id=4333840

[Neshanic]

36. Thanks for that. He had ritual kitten fashion shows in the WH basement too. Degrading!

[Armstead]

53. Shallowness becomes you

[Jed Dilligan]

39. I was homeless on the streets for part of it

It was hard living around all that phony prosperity. All those pumped-up dot-commers driving up the rents. It was not a great time. There were a bunch of rich spoiled brats running around; the rest of us had to prostitute ourselves to them or suffer the consequences. I mean that literally--so many young women of my generation got drawn into porn or prostitution.

That's also when non-indie movies became totally unwatchable. The culture deteriorated into reality TV and crass VH-1 cycles of celebrity worship and schadenfreude. The academic gap between racial groups, after closing for a while, began to widen again. Affirmative action was shot down in many places and non-Asian minority college enrollment declined. Young black and latino men were sucked into the gang life in unprecedented numbers. Meanwhile the prison population grew exponentially and the toker in the White House did nothing but ramp up the Drug War insanity.

I don't blame the Clintons for all of this, but it's not a time I want to relive.

edited to clarify last sentence

[Neshanic]

40. Well you read it here first. If Obama wins he will be our Carter. Over his head.

[Warpy]

42. You should have used that sarcasm smilie because

a lot of the people on this board are just not going to get it.

I've had the same feeling about Obama being like Carter but for a different reason. Carter went into his presidency promising to reach across the aisle and unify the government (sound familiar, Obama fans?)and was a good enough man that he had no concept of the den of thieves and sociopaths he was entering. He was criticised by all sides by trying to please everyone and pleasing no one. He reached out to the GOP and ended up with a back full of daggers.

Still, he was one of our best presidents, all things considered. He inherited runaway inflation started by the tripling of oil prices by OPEC. He managed to get the Strategic Oil Reserve set up and running and got those prices down. Nixon and Ford had simply ignored the problem. He also appointed Volcker head of the Fed, knowing Volcker wanted to raise interest rates to punishing levels to curtail inflation. It happened, Carter got blamed, and it worked. Carter ended up doing 4 years of damage control after 8 years of GOP indifference and bungling and still managed to have a net increase in jobs, if not in wages.

Obama will likely be a one term president if he gets in, blamed for all the fallout of the last 8 dismal years. If he learns from that first set of daggers in his back, he might be as effective as Carter was. If not, he will make certain we don't have another black president for a very, very long time and another Democratic president for almost as long.

[Neshanic]

46. A agree with certain parts...

Yes, there was a mess after the republicans, but all in all his presidency was a failure of an epic scale. He too trusting of the opposition, and he dd not come across as the President. His speeches were miserable and morose, and who wanted to hear that; they inspired no one. The inaction and screwups of the hostages could and do fill books.

He was too honest and trusting to be President. He did some good things, but they were far outnumbered by his inaction on items that even if symbolic would of raised the countys spirits.

It was his presidency that ushered in the Conservatives. It was his uninspiring leadership that caused it.

Obama will be our Carter. We have a monster looming in all categories of problems. I want someone in there that knows the territory, and that's not Obama.

[frylock]

49. can we get a gdp: strawman forum already?

[frylock]

51. carter should have just created the dotcom boom in '78..

maybe then there would have been an uptick. carter actually did something to promote peace in the middle east. clinton helped to starve out innocent iraqi children.

[Zueda]

54. Yep! screw the future!

I want the past so we can relive this whole decade over again! Who's with me!