Has Obama Ever Had A Real Job?

[soundguy]

I didn't know that an Illinois State Senator pay was enough to afford a 2 million dollar piece of property? Seems curious, the deeper you look at this guy nothing adds up right. But that's ok right? I mean he gives a nice speech so what else is there know.

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[davidinalameda]

2. he worked as a community organizer out of law school

is that real enough?

[jasmine621]

29. My brother worked as a community organizer after law school and almost starved

to death. There is not big money in being a community organizer unless you are a crook. I'm nat saying that Obama is a crook or even that he made his money as a community organizer. I'm just saying what the life of most community oranizers is like. You sweat night and day about having enough money for the next big meeting, for travel to make connections, for getting intros to people with big money, for money to print flyers, rent meeting halls...etc. It ain't no picnic unless you have some big backers trying to push through what your group is organizing for.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

32. No, but you can make a lot of money if you publish a best-selling book.

[neutron]

41. you rarely make that much even with a "best seller"

[ginchinchili]

52. LOL. Nothing after law school qualifies as a real job.

[Kittycat]

3. Oh you're new. Google & Wiki are your friends.

You should go introduce your question to them.

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[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. Move to Kindergarten. nt

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[formernaderite]

25. is he a chain smoker? if so I

applaud him for bucking the trend. I happen to love smokers, maybe it's because I hang out with blue collars. I hate the way they're villified for enjoying an adult recreational substance.

[cali]

38. Please respond to his actual resume which I posted

on your thread.

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[neutron]

43. I think the media is covering up a lot

about him.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

66. Thank you, Mods. nt

[pearl]

6. How utterly insulting

do some fucking research. It wasn't until both books became bestsellers that he could afford the house. You might try reading Audacity of Hope. But then you wouldn't have an excuse for your ignorance. Wow.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. Now, why would you ask a thing like that?

Much as I hate to do other people's research for them, Wiki says Obama has had a few "real" jobs:

"Obama received his B.A. degree in 1983, then worked at Business International Corporation and NYPIRG before moving to Chicago to take a job as a community organizer. As Director of the Developing Communities Project, he worked with low-income residents in Chicago's Roseland community and the Altgeld Gardens public housing development. He entered Harvard Law School in 1988. In 1990, The New York Times reported his election as the Harvard Law Review's "first black president in its 104-year history". He completed his J.D. degree magna cum laude in 1991. On returning to Chicago, Obama directed a voter registration drive. As an associate attorney with Miner, Barnhill & Galland from 1993 to 1996, he represented community organizers, discrimination claims, and voting rights cases. He was a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1993 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004."

[dkf]

8. Two bestselling books...

Demand is high for the books of presidential contender Barack Obama.

The Crown Publishing Group, a division of Random House Inc., has ordered an additional 50,000 copies of Sen. Obama's million-selling policy book, The Audacity of Hope, and another 10,000 for his million-selling memoir, Dreams From My Father.

Both have been selling strongly in the past few weeks as campaigning intensified, with Audacity of Hope in the top 20 on http://www.Amazon.com as of Wednesday morning and Dreams From My Father in the top 60.

http://www.ohio.com/lifestyle/books/13700327.html

[devilgrrl]

9. What's a real job? Running a soundboard for hack bar bands?

:popcorn:

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[ginchinchili]

54. What's wrong with that?

Sounds pretty real American to me.

[Raven]

10. Ah, Obama worked in community organizing and taught in law school.

He was editor of the Harvard Law Review and, as such, could have written his own ticket to any mega law firm in the country. He made other choices and they were good and honorable ones. Now, maybe Mitt is the only one of these candidates who had a "real" job if you define that by how much money you make and how many companies you raid. Then, of course there is Mrs. Clinton. Maybe the definition of a "real" job is...well, I'm not even going there!

[Bucky]

11. Yay! You win

[DURHAM D]

12. I want to know who ghost wrote his books.

That is the magical person.

Who scripted the character that Obama plays?

[mnhtnbb]

14. My understanding is that Obama wrote them himself. I read The Audacity of Hope

and it reads like the language he uses. Of course, now he has speechwriters. Big profile of one of them in
NY Times Magazine a couple of weeks ago.

Here's a link that says the reviewer from WAPO confirmed Obama wrote Audacity without a ghostwriter.

http://speechwriting-ghostwriting.typepad.com/speechwriting_ghostwritin/2006/10/barback_obama_w.html

[DURHAM D]

28. David Axelrod has been scripting Obama for 15 years.

In other words, he has had a speech writer from day one - David.

Google David and the New York Times. Interesting read.

[stillcool]

48. egads....

Obama's Media Maven

Christopher Hayes

Given his rhetorical skills, Harvard Law pedigree, up-by-the-bootstraps bio and, well, his race, it is hard not to compare recently elected Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick to his friend Barack Obama. Both men entered crowded primaries in which they were definitively not favored. They both inspired a kind of personal pride among supporters that is rare in politics. On the evening of Obama's convincing primary victory, the crowd and the candidate joined in chanting, "Yes We Can!" and if you listen closely to video of Patrick rallies, you'll hear the crowd chanting the very same thing. When Patrick looked into the camera in one ad and said the state's problem wasn't a "deficit of dollars but a deficit of leadership," it was hard not to hear echoes of Obama's oft-used line that the country's biggest problem isn't a budget deficit but an "empathy deficit." And in Patrick's most effective ad, he stands on a stage delivering an impassioned speech to a crescendo of applause as Obama sits on a stool just behind him, nodding approvingly, his head perfectly framed in the shot.

Which brings us to something else the two men share: David Axelrod, the 51-year-old reporter turned media consultant who was the key media strategist for both men's campaigns. He's the one who wrote those ads, framed that shot and came up with the "Yes We Can" tag line. "I don't bring these messages to candidates," Axelrod says when I point out the similarities. "I look for candidates who exemplify and reflect those messages." In the cases of Obama and Patrick, he says, the work is a collaboration. "They take and improve on what you bring them; they deliver it well because they believe in it. It's like riffing with great musicians."

Even though he lives 1,000 miles from the notoriously clubby world of political consulting, Axelrod has become one of its most successful and respected practitioners. Mark McKinnon, who produced George W. Bush's ads in the last cycle and now works for John McCain, calls Axelrod "the best media guy out there who doesn't have a ring." With his quick wit and knack for soundbites ("The Icon gets hoisted," Axelrod said of the media's treatment of star candidates, "and then it becomes a piñata"), the onetime Chicago Tribune political writer is a favorite of reporters seeking quotes. Charming as he can be with journalists, those who have worked with him say, he can be "aggressive" and "extremely difficult" in the trenches of a campaign. Colleagues point out that he's uncommonly idealistic for someone in his line of work, though a veteran Chicago reporter noted that this has its limits: "He's a principled guy, but he's not a philanthropist. The candidates he's worked for have been well funded, and he's made very good money doing what he does."
Read more....

[stillcool]

50. I am so disgusted...

http://www.chrishayes.org/articles/obamas-media-maven/

Axelrod's firm, AKP Media, which he runs with his partners John Kupper and David Plouffe, has handled a series of high-profile national and state campaigns, from John Edwards's 2004 presidential run to Tom Vilsack's and Eliot Spitzer's gubernatorial races; but for much of its two decades the firm's bread and butter has been mayoral races, with a particularly strong track record in electing black candidates. Indeed, ever since working on the re-election campaign of Chicago's Harold Washington in 1987, Axelrod has developed something of a novel niche for a political consultant: helping black politicians convince white voters to support them. With Obama's bid for the presidency, Axelrod's skill in this area will face the ultimate test.
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What Obama and Washington shared, Axelrod points out--a trait common to many of the successful black candidates he has worked for--is the direct, lived experience of the effects of injustice with a simultaneous faith that the injustice wasn't permanent, that it could be overcome. "In many cases their personal stories are symbolic of the kinds of values that we as a society hold dear even if we haven't always honored them historically," Axelrod says. "The notion that you can overcome great obstacles-- very hopeful figures, and I think that made them very potent politically. They've seen the obstacles and the barriers and they've also overcome them: It shows the work we have to do and the possibility that that work can get done, that you can work for a better future." In other words: They make people feel good about how far we've come.

[NYCGirl]

57. If that disgusts you, you should check out Mark Penn's background!

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mark_Penn

Mark Penn is worldwide CEO of the PR firm Burson-Marsteller (B-M), a position he has held since December 2005. <1> He is also the president of the polling firm Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates (PSB), which he co-founded in 1975.

Penn is also U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton's top presidential campaign strategist. A biographical note states that he "has worked with Mrs. Clinton for over six years, since he ran the polling and messaging for her successful election to the US Senate in 2000." <2>

Penn also served as NPI Fellow at the New Politics Institute. He advised United Kingdom Prime Minister Tony Blair "for his successful run for a third term." Penn is "best known for serving as President Bill Clinton's pollster and political adviser for the 1996 re-election campaign and throughout the second term of the administration. He also ran the polling and messaging and was part of the media team for the successful Senate campaign of Hillary Clinton, serving as her chief campaign adviser. He advises organizations and companies on a wide range of image, branding and competitive marketing assignments. Mark has been a key adviser to Bill Gates and Microsoft for the last 6 years." <3> <4>

Penn is married to Nancy Jacobson, a longtime Democratic Party fundraiser who in addition to helping found Third Way serves as Senior Advisor to Senator Evan Bayh, National Finance Chair for the Democratic Leadership Council, and Founder and Executive Director of Next Generation, a political action committee devoted to supporting moderate, centrist Senate candidates.

Penn's clients

While the Clinton campaign says Penn "is currently working only with Microsoft" for his day job, an internal Burson-Marsteller blog "suggests ... he has been working with multiple clients," reported Bloomberg News. Blog posts by Penn mention work for Shell Oil, the energy company TXU, and the U.S. Tuna Foundation. In one post, Penn says "the mixing of corporate and political work" is "helpful in cross-pollinating new ideas and skills." The Nation notes Burson-Marsteller's astroturf "attacks against environmental and consumer groups," and its "confrontational relationship with organized labor," as well as Penn's polling firm's work for the nuclear power industry (which the Center for Media and Democracy reported on).

"I also, personally, don't do any lobbying," Penn told the Washington Post. <5>


Penn & B-M's anti-labor work

In mid-2007, the dual role of Mark Penn as the CEO of the PR firm Busron-Marsteller and chief strategist for the Democratic Party's Presidential aspirant Hilliary Clinton, irked some labor leaders. The New York Times reported that labor leaders Bruce Raynor of UniteHere, and James Hoffa of the Teamsters union, wrote to Clinton expressing their concern about B-M's anti-labor work. "He cannot serve two masters, working for a pro-union candidate and working for anti-union companies," Teamsters President Jim Hoffa said. <6>

Penn, who commented for both himself and the Clinton campaign, stated that "Senator Clinton’s well-documented support for pro-union causes would not in any way be affected by some clients in a firm related to the corporate network of one of her advisers. There is no connection whatsoever with her pro-union record." He also said "I personally had zero involvement in any of the work related to Cintas." <7>

Subsequently, Penn told Atlantic Online "I have recused myself from working on any management-side labor relations work." <8>

Ari Berman, who has written on Penn's PR life in The Nation is unimpressed. Penn, he wrote, is "not distancing himself from the money the "labor relations" wing brings in and the other controversial clients B-M represents in the defense, pharmaceutical and energy industries and the Republican lobbyists he oversees." Berman views Penn's "recusal" pledge is "a phony gesture that fails to address the underlying problems or the reasons prominent labor leaders are upset with Clinton's campaign." <9>

[stillcool]

58. What disgusts me is the false claims...

of the poster I was replying to. My second reply went to myself.

[blogslut]

16. Believe it or not

Lawyers can write.

[Bucky]

18. Oh, everybody knows Obama's so-called books were ghosted by Saddam Hussein

You know... Saddam Hussein, al-Qaeda's number two man!

[Hieronymus]

26. Some Hillary supporters are really tacky.

[DURHAM D]

30. And Obama supporters really know very little about their candidate. n/t

[blogslut]

15. Define "real job"

You mean did he inherit unlimited funds and cache from his father? Did he embark on failed business efforts, only to bailed out by his daddy's friends? Was he governor in a state where that job is about as powerful a position as McDonald's flunkie?

Do tell?

[onehandle]

17. He collected 40 million empty bottles and returned them for the 5 cents each.

Good enough?

Now go away.

[Bucky]

20. !!!

:rofl:

[City Lights]

22. Love your sig line!

I am what you think I am.

Perfect! :rofl:

[Olney Blue]

23. So Empty Minds want to know?

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[Orangepeel]

27. His wife is also a Harvard educated lawyer

with her income from "a real job" and the royalties from his books, why is it a shock that they could afford a 2 million dollar piece of property?

[alcibiades_mystery]

55. Shocking that nobody's mentioned it yet...maybe his wife makes money?

My wife makes more than I do, a fact that makes me damn proud. And also HAPPY as hell, since it's a lot of goddamn money! :-)

[PatSeg]

68. Senator's family rakes in nearly $1.7 mil. in 2005

Book royalties and advances brought in about $1.2 million for the senator-author. In late 2004, Obama landed a three-book deal worth $1.9 million. The first book under the contract, The Audacity of Hope: Reclaiming the American Dream, is scheduled for release in mid-October and is to focus on his political convictions and how he became the Senate's only African American.

His wife's income as an administrator at the not-for-profit University of Chicago Hospitals nearly tripled to $316,962, from $121,910.

In 2005, she was also elected to the board of directors of west suburban Westchester-based TreeHouse Foods, which calls itself the nation's largest pickle and pepper supplier. For that, she received $12,000 and $33,000 from a subsidiary.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/72374,CST-NWS-obama26.article

[Nimrod2005]

31. No, out of high school right into the Senate!

[cali]

33. Why yes, yes he has. Do you enjoy looking so ignorant?

Out of Columbia: Worked as a community organizer in Chicago for 3+ years
Out of Harvard Law: Worked for IBS for a year. Worked as a civil rights lawyer for several years. Taught Con law for ten years at U of C.

Wrote two bestsellling books.

duh. Nothing like not knowing jackshit and showing it off. brilliant.

[juajen]

47. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I thought he only lectured at U of C in con. law?

NT

[cali]

61. He taught both con law and election law at U of C

There was a long post by one of his past students over on kos last year. It was also posted here a couple of weeks ago.

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[GalleryGod]

63. A Classic Hit & Run post...He hasn't responded.

WhatttttttttaDick.

[boston bean]

35. From a 2 bedroom condo to a 1.3 million dollar mansion. I have the same questions.

I have read though that Michelle increased her salary from 40K to over 400K at the hospital as soon as O became a state senator.

She got the job over other qualified persons because she was a state senators wife.

[SoxFan]

36. Another one of these

[demo dutch]

37. He graduated in 1991

[Adelante]

39. For you and your ilk

Net Worth: $1.3 million

Where he got it

After Harvard Law, Obama didn’t exactly rake in the big bucks. He led a voter-registration drive and then worked for a Chicago law firm that specializes in civil rights and employment discrimination.

He earned $60,000 as an Illinois state senator, plus another $32,000 as a lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago.

Michelle Obama, however, worked for a while as a big-firm lawyer, leaving to take jobs in the nonprofit sector. She wound up as vice president for community affairs at the University of Chicago Hospitals, a position that paid nearly $317,000 a year.

She resigned in May and also left her post as lead independent director of Tree House Foods, a private-label food business.

According to the Obamas’ tax return (Obama and Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut are the only candidates to release one), their income hit $1.7 million in 2005 and $991,000 in 2006.

The big boost came from his writing, following the stirring speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention that made him famous.

First came a memoir, “Dreams of My Father,” and later “The Audacity of Hope,” which was on the New York Times bestseller list for 30 weeks.

Where it goes

Excluding Michelle Obama’s retirement plan, whose value needn’t be reported, the couple has about $715,000 in investments. All the money except for two very large checking accounts is in mutual funds.

About $350,000 is divided between Vanguard FTSE Social Index Fund, a socially responsible fund, and Vanguard Wellesley Income, which has a mix of 60 percent bonds and 40 percent stocks.

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/moneymag/0712/gallery.candidates.moneymag/5.html

[Retrograde]

59. Not all that much

in an era when corporate executives pull down 7-figure salaries and Wall Street brokers expect 6-figure bonuses a net worth of $1.3M doesn't seem all that large, particularly for someone with a Harvard law degree. Granted it's more than a lot of people have. Take away the income from writing and you have about what two Silicon Valley professionals of that age make. They have an expensive for their area house, but that $1.7M liability may include a lot of mortgage. He's no where near the Mitt Romney level.

[BenDavid]

40. Maybe a better look at the wife will reveal to you the answer:

Mrs Obama earned $51,200 for her work with Treehouse's board last year, on top of the $271,618 salary she was paid as a vice-president of the University of Chicago Hospitals. She also received 7,500 Treehouse stock options, worth a further $72,375, as she did the previous year, when she banked a $45,000 salary from the company.

The apparent contradiction between Sen Obama's political calculation to join the Wal-Mart-bashing lobby, and his wife's profitable role with a company that makes money from Wal-Mart, is being closely scrutinised by "opposition" research teams."



But if they point out that Obama's wife make big bucks from Wal-Mart, that'll be just one more racial slur of which the Clintons are guilty, right?

[stillcool]

44. wow...

stunning. I know this requires reading, but maybe you should give it a shot?

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=BS030017

http://rawobama.typepad.com/raw_obama/

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/gay/lesbian/news/ARTICLE.php?AID=3931

[intheozone]

45. He couldn't afford the $2mil house, that's why Rezko helped

him buy it! That purchase was after he got elected to the fed. Senate. For someone who is selling himself as having superior judgment, the purchase shows a shocking lack of judgment. This was purchase was made with Rezko's wife's help after Rezko was already under federal investigation. The whole deal stinks, it does not pass the smell test!!

[Adelante]

49. He could too afford the house - stop lying

According to the Obamas’ tax return (Obama and Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut are the only candidates to release one), their income hit $1.7 million in 2005 and $991,000 in 2006.

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/moneymag/0712/gallery.candidates.moneymag/5.html

Rezko did not help him buy the house. Rezko bought the adjoining lot. Obama later bought 1/6 of that lot for 1/6 of the purchase price.

[stillcool]

51. I know it's hard to follow...

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/124171,CST-NWS-obama05.article
Q: Senator, when did you first meet Tony Rezko? How did you become friends? How often would you meet with him, and when did you last speak with him?

A: I had attracted some media attention when I was elected the first black President of the Harvard Law Review. And while I was in law school, David Brint, who was a development partner with Tony Rezko contacted me and asked whether I would be interested in being a developer. Ultimately, after discussions in which I met Mr. Rezko, I said no.

I have probably had lunch with Rezko once or twice a year and our spouses may have gotten together on two to four occasions in the time that I have known him. I last spoke with Tony Rezko more than six months ago.

Q:. Have you or your wife participated in any other transactions of any kind with Rezko or companies he owns? Have you or your wife ever done any legal work ever for Rezko or his companies?

A: No.

Q: Has Rezko ever given you or your family members gifts of any kind and, if so, what were they?

A: No.

Q: The seller of your house appears to be a doctor at the University of Chicago . Do you or your wife know him? If so, did either of you ever talk to him about subdividing the property? If you ever did discuss the property with him, when were those conversations?

A: We did not know him personally, though my wife worked in the same University hospital. The property was subdivided and two lots were separately listed when we first learned of it. We did not discuss the property with the owners; the sale was negotiated for us by our agent.

Q: Did you approach Rezko or his wife about the property, or did they approach you?

A: To the best of my recollection, I told him about the property, and he developed an interest, knowing both the location and, as I recall, the developer who had previously purchased it.

Q: Who was your Realtor? Did this Realtor also represent Rita Rezko?

A: Miriam Zeltzerman, who had also represented me in the purchase of my prior property, a condominium, in Hyde Park. She did not represent Rita Rezko.

Q: How do you explain the fact your family purchased your home the same day as Rita Rezko bought the property adjacent to yours? Was this a coordinated purchase?

A: The sellers required the closing of both properties at the same time. As they were moving out of town, they wished to conclude the sale of both properties simultaneously. The lot was purchased first; with the purchase of the house on the adjacent lot, the closings could proceed and did, on the same day, pursuant to the condition set by the sellers.

Q: Why is it that you were able to buy your parcel for $300,000 less than the asking price, and Rita Rezko paid full price? Who negotiated this end of the deal? Did whoever negotiated it have any contact with Rita and Tony Rezko or their Realtor or lawyer?

A: Our agent negotiated only with the seller's agent. As we understood it, the house had been listed for some time, for months, and our offer was one of two and, as we understood it, it was the best offer. The original listed price was too high for the market at the time, and we understood that the sellers, who were anxious to move, were prepared to sell the house for what they paid for it, which is what they did.

We were not involved in the Rezko negotiation of the price for the adjacent lot. It was our understanding that the owners had received, from another buyer, an offer for $625,000 and that therefore the Rezkos could not have offered or purchased that lot for less.

Q: Why did you put the property in a trust?

A: I was advised that a trust holding would afford me some privacy, which was important to me as I would be commuting from Washington to Chicago and my family would spend some part of most weeks without me.

Q: A Nov. 21, 1999, Chicago Tribune story indicates the house you bought "sits on a quarter-acre lot and will share a driveway and entrance gate with a home next door that has not yet been built." Is this shared driveway still in the mix? Will this require further negotiations with the Rezkos?

A: The driveway is not shared with the adjacent owner. But the resident in the carriage house in the back does have an easement over it.

[Justice Is Comin]

65. Let the trial begin.

for the former campaign finance chairman of Obama.

Loose lips, depositions, prison avoidance for others and all that.

Can't wait :popcorn:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

46. Another Hit and Run OP. Arg.

:puke:

[Alexander]

53. The Shillbots are clearly desperate.

They can't just be happy that Obama's way better than the Republicans - oh no, they have to continue their bullshit smearfest.

[alcibiades_mystery]

56. Why should they be...Hillary's obviously leading by A LOT, right?

The weird disjunction between their posts about how much she's UP, and how bad Obama is are remarkable. If she's really up by that much, what's with all the mud-slinging?

[lurky]

60. Um, it's a TWO income family.

Michelle is a corporate executive. I'm guessing "executive" means large paychecks. :shrug:

[GalleryGod]

62. Still workin' that paper route,Little Guy?

Get lost!
Nice post count,Troll/Disruptor.

I think Dad wants you to wash the car...

[sniffa]

64. What an astute observation

:eyes:

[VotesForWomen]

67. it does seem that there's less to him than meets the eye. nt

[LordJFT]

69. um people will pay alot to hear him speak

[jackson_dem]

70. Obama has a nice "log cabin" myth going

In reality his family has ranked among the top earners in the country for years. His Ivy League educated wife was the main breadwinner most of the time (sound familiar?). Obama himself didn't exactly make small change as a state senator, lawyer, and law professor all at the same time. It is ironic that part of the reason the Rezko story hurts him is because of the "Obama is a pauper" myth that has enhanced his appeal from the beginning of the campaign.

[LittleClarkie]

71. He wasn't born that day in 2004 when he gave a speech. He has a bio.

Go and seek it out.

[dtotire]

72. He was a Professor of Constitutional Law

A State Representative from my state (Connecticut) had him as a Professor at the Univ of Chicago Law School. He gave him his enthusiastic endorsement. He said he was very sharp and his classes were hard to get into.

[Radical Activist]

73. That was from the book money

after he was elected to the US Senate.
Before that he passed up higher paying jobs to work on things he cared about. He certainly could have made more money if he hadn't decided to be a civil rights lawyer and teach Const. Law.