Hillary Clinton's final act of political desperation.

[calteacherguy]

The last couple of days, Clinton has been implying, indirectly, the posibility of a ticket including both her and Obama...with her at the top of course.

It's like the final play in the fourth quarter with time running out, a hail Mary pass down the field. And it's unlikely to work.

First, Obama has defined clear difference between himself and Clinton on lobbyists, transparency in governement, the Iraq war, and perhaps most importantly his ability to bring in more peope to the party. That works with the person who's at the top of the ticket. A VP just doesn't generate the same kind of movement and enthusiasm from their supporters.

Secondly, it undercuts Clinton's message that Obama is somehow too "inexperienced" to be President. The first decisionn a President makes is to pick someone who could immediately take their place from day one. By suggesting she would choose Obama, she undercuts her own message that Obama is somehow "not ready." At best, she sends a mixed message.

Finally, it smacks of arroagance, entitlement, and presumption. The voters will have none of it.

This may be her final play.

[TwilightGardener]

1. I'm pretty sure she's dangled VP in front of a number of her hangers-on--

wonder how many are going to be pissed when they realize they've been used?
edit to add: It's clear that the debate question was meant to harm Obama. Everyone knows he won't take her as VP--it was certainly meant to elevate her and diminish him. I cringed.

[iconocrastic]

67. There's no such thing as Hillary's final act of political desperation

Stay tuned. Many more (and far worse) to come.

[neutron]

127. This is all Obamites can post?

Because Obama is a mediocrity.

[neutron]

133. Krugman on Obama's Economic plan

Responding to Recession
by Paul Krugman

Suddenly, the economic consensus seems to be that the implosion of the housing market will indeed push the U.S. economy into a recession, and that it’s quite possible that we’re already in one. As a result, over the next few weeks we’ll be hearing a lot about plans for economic stimulus
Since this is an election year, the debate over how to stimulate the economy is inevitably tied up with politics. And here’s a modest suggestion for political reporters. Instead of trying to divine the candidates’ characters by scrutinizing their tone of voice and facial expressions, why not pay attention to what they say about economic policy?
In fact, recent statements by the candidates and their surrogates about the economy are quite revealing.
Take, for example, John McCain’s admission that economics isn’t his thing. “The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should,” he says. “I’ve got Greenspan’s book.”
His self-deprecating humor is attractive, as always. But shouldn’t we worry about a candidate who’s so out of touch that he regards Mr. Bubble, the man who refused to regulate subprime lending and assured us that there was at most some “froth” in the housing market, as a source of sage advice?
Meanwhile, Rudy Giuliani wants us to go for broke, literally: his answer to the economy’s short-run problems is a huge permanent tax cut, which he claims would pay for itself. It wouldn’t.
About Mike Huckabee — well, what can you say about a candidate who talks populist while proposing to raise taxes on the middle class and cut them for the rich?
And then there’s the curious case of Mitt Romney. I’m told that he actually does know a fair bit about economics, and he has some big-name Republican economists supporting his campaign. Fears of recession might have offered him a chance to distinguish himself from the G.O.P. field, by offering an economic proposal that actually responded to the gathering economic storm.
I mean, even the Bush administration seems to be coming around to the view that lobbying for long-term tax cuts isn’t enough, that the economy needs some immediate help. “Time is of the essence,” declared Henry Paulson, the Treasury secretary, last week.
But Mr. Romney, who really needs to take chances at this point, apparently can’t break the habit of telling Republicans only what he thinks they want to hear. He’s still offering nothing but standard-issue G.O.P. pablum about low taxes and a pro-business environment.
On the Democratic side, John Edwards, although never the front-runner, has been driving his party’s policy agenda. He’s done it again on economic stimulus: last month, before the economic consensus turned as negative as it now has, he proposed a stimulus package including aid to unemployed workers, aid to cash-strapped state and local governments, public investment in alternative energy, and other measures.
Last week Hillary Clinton offered a broadly similar but somewhat larger proposal. (It also includes aid to families having trouble paying heating bills, which seems like a clever way to put cash in the hands of people likely to spend it.) The Edwards and Clinton proposals both contain provisions for bigger stimulus if the economy worsens.
And you have to say that Mrs. Clinton seems comfortable with and knowledgeable about economic policy. I’m sure the Hillary-haters will find some reason that’s a bad thing, but there’s something to be said for presidents who know what they’re talking about.
The Obama campaign’s initial response to the latest wave of bad economic news was, I’m sorry to say, disreputable: Mr. Obama’s top economic adviser claimed that the long-term tax-cut plan the candidate announced months ago is just what we need to keep the slump from “morphing into a drastic decline in consumer spending.” Hmm: claiming that the candidate is all-seeing, and that a tax cut originally proposed for other reasons is also a recession-fighting measure — doesn’t that sound familiar?
Anyway, on Sunday Mr. Obama came out with a real stimulus plan. As was the case with his health care plan, which fell short of universal coverage, his stimulus proposal is similar to those of the other Democratic candidates, but tilted to the right.
For example, the Obama plan appears to contain none of the alternative energy initiatives that are in both the Edwards and Clinton proposals, and emphasizes across-the-board tax cuts over both aid to the hardest-hit families and help for state and local governments. I know that Mr. Obama’s supporters hate to hear this, but he really is less progressive than his rivals on matters of domestic policy.
In short, the stimulus debate offers a pretty good portrait of the men and woman who would be president. And I haven’t said a word about their hairstyles.

[neutron]

136. We'll ALL be desperate if Obama is elected nt

[Alexander]

2. I think she's hoping Obama will pick her for VP.

Based on polling trends that wouldn't surprise me.

[adapa]

123. on the contrary, I don't think she'd take the job after observing Gore's

time in office.

[krkaufman]

132. Not sure what you mean by that. How did observing Gore's time affect her?

Also, I don't see any chance of Hillary as VP. I can't imagine Bill being on-board as Second Spouse; and I don't see Obama (or anyone) picking Hillary as VP, as doing so would reintroduce her negatives to the campaign, energizing the Right Wing.

[ruggerson]

3. What's pathetic is your attempt to spin this

when Clinton is comfortably ahead in the polls and experiencing a significant post debate surge in the tracking numbers.

[AlFromDem]

Great points, ruggerson. I'm frankly getting a little pissed at the uppity Obama supporters

trying to compete for this nomination. Hillary has worked for this longer in her life; she staid with Bill; she deserves it.

[TwilightGardener]

15. You signed up today. How long could you have possibly had

to "frankly get a little pissed"? Ridiculous, and stupidly-reasoned to boot. You're going to be a real winner here, I can tell.

[Azathoth]

23. I'm guessing he forgot the sarcasm tag

But I could be wrong...

[TwilightGardener]

24. I can't tell what this dude's game is, but it doesn't smell right.

[Webster Green]

38. LOL!

WTF?!:rofl:

[Unsane]

48. lol who the hell likes Al From?

[ErnestoG]

126. Nobody with a BRAIN does...

That DLC freak near singlehandedly crashed the Democratic Party.

[Name removed]

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[Yurovsky]

70. Thank you ...

for calling this poster out.

We all know what "uppity" is code for. Heaven forbid anyone offend Mastah Clinton... just do the step'n fetch it, and be a good colored boy. That's what the Clintonites expect blacks to do. Bill & Hill's recent temper tantrums are very instructive with respect to their views on minority Democrats.

[Alexander]

76. Unfortunately when I see DUers defending words like "uppity"...

It's an ugly reminder to me that racism is everywhere, even here on DU.

[Yurovsky]

113. Yep, I know some hard-core, lifelong Democrats ...

who, when they think nobody is looking, are just as racist as any republican. While racism has found a home in the GOP, it has not been fully expunged from the Democrat party. There's still a lot of work to do, but at least someone like Obama gives me the "fire in the belly" to actually take up the fight.

[Alexander]

117. I'm happy for Obama's success - and he's bringing the racists out of the woodwork.

I agree. The Republicans don't have a monopoly on racism, unfortunately.

BTW - you will want to change "Democrat party". It's a slight on Democrats, used by Republicans.

You should say "Democratic party" or DUers will start calling you out on it.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

121. Honest to god, it's to the point where I'd rather talk to Republicans than (some) Dems about Obama

Some people think just because they are Democrats it gives them license to unleash the most disgusting racist drivel. All done in the spirit of "concern" for the general election, naturally. :eyes:

[Alexander]

122. It's always framed as "The Republicans will use this against him..."

And I always think "No, you idiot. You are using this crap against him."

There are legitimate reasons to oppose Obama. I myself have some reservations about him even though I generally support the man. But I think a lot of the "soft on crime", "he dealt crack", "he's a Muslim" and other such attacks are nothing but code words to hide one's racism.

[dkf]

58. Typical Hillary person. You'll fit right in.

[iconocrastic]

72. You forgort the sarcasm tag

LOL

[arewenotdemo]

106. She "staid with Bill"????

Good for her. She can play the lead in "The Tammy Wynette Story". It does not make her the better presidential candidate.

PS: She also "staid" with Junior...on the war.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

118. Uppity.

Interesting word choice there, Al.

[michaz]

135. And I am getting sick of ALL the bashing of both candidates!n/t

[Azathoth]

9. *chuckle* A 3-4 point change on a single day of tracking does not a 'surge' make

:)

[AlFromDem]

12. Well what's your explanation, Azathoth?

The people are renouncing the upstart, uppity Senator and embracing the third-way, moderate hand of the Clintons. As they should.

[Azathoth]

18. Indeed

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[cali]

19. "uppity"?

fuck off, bigot.

[ruggerson]

26. Uh, Cali

he's an obvious troll. "Third way, moderate"?

[AlFromDem]

28. I am not a troll just because I have an opinion different from yours.

Hillary is a return to the sensible 90s. If you don't like it, that's your problem; my support for her does not qualify me as a "troll".

[Alexander]

52. No, you're a troll because you make racist comments about Obama.

I'm guessing you don't think of "uppity" as racist. I'm also guessing you don't know any black people.

[anamandujano]

60. "Uppity" is not racist, it's sexist, usually used on women. Why

do you Obamabots scream racist for any and every remark?

[Alexander]

61. 1. It's racist. 2. It's against the rules. 3. Sexism is apparently okay with you.

From Dictionary.com:

"uppity
1880, from up; originally used by blacks of other blacks felt to be too self-assertive (first recorded use is in "Uncle Remus"). The parallel British variant uppish (1678) originally meant "lavish;" the sense of "conceited, arrogant" being first recorded 1734."

The DU rules are pretty clear about this:

"Do not post broad-brush, bigoted statements."

Finally, I find it amusing that a Hillary supporter, normally the type to say "sexism gets a pass in today's world", would defend a sexist remark just because a Shillbot troll said it.

You guys are a riot with your obvious hatred and double standards. :rofl: :rofl:

[anamandujano]

85. To Alexander and Cali--the OP is not a troll

Probably a lurker who is making the same kind of statements Obamabots have been saying in most of their threads.

OK, there's a dictionary definition for "uppity." In the current popular media, I have never heard it used on blacks, just women (over and over to the nth degree).

I'm not defending the term for women--reading comp problem for Alexander.

(I thought I put Cali on ignore, so tedious, well it's never too late.)

[Alexander]

88. The OP just joined today. The OP makes racist comments about a Democrat.

I guess if you think "troll" means living under a bridge and demanding money, it doesn't fit that description. :eyes:

"Probably a lurker who is making the same kind of statements Obamabots have been saying in most of their threads."

Wait, what's this?

"Do not post broad-brush, bigoted statements."

I see you've forgotten that part of the rules.

"In the current popular media, I have never heard it used on blacks, just women (over and over to the nth degree)."

Then you've been living under a rock all your life.

"I'm not defending the term for women--reading comp problem for Alexander."

Then why not alert on AlFromDem's post, like I did? By not doing so you are saying "that language is okay, as long as it's our side using it and not the other side."

Sounds like you've got the reading comprehension problem. With the rules.

[anamandujano]

119. May 02nd 2007--not today!

Question--Are you going to try to dismiss a poster's opinion (as bad as I personally think it was) just because they just joined?

Lot's of people will be joining; it is primary season with an upcoming election. Everyone has to join sometime.

[Alexander]

124. AlFromDem: joined Feb 02, 2008. That's TODAY.

Question - when a poster recently joins and immediately starts making nothing but repeated bigoted attacks on a Democratic presidential candidate, why should they not be tombstoned?

It's not about the day you joined, it's about the messages you post during the time you spend here. If every single post of mine was a bigoted attack, I'd be banned, and rightfully so. AlFromDem fits this criteria perfectly and therefore deserves to be banned.

[cali]

91. Obamabot? OK.

little hilldroid. You are ignorant. or worse. Uppity has long been part of racist language.

[okasha]

95. Yes, he's a troll.

"Uppity" as a slur is applied pretty much equally to "uppity women" and "uppity n******."

It's offensive as hell. Please don't defend its use.

[anamandujano]

101. I didn't defend it. I merely pointed out that it's mostly used on

women.

[Alexander]

108. It's bigoted against both black people AND women. We hit "Alert" on bigoted posts.

We don't defend someone's right to use them here at DU. We alert on them and get them removed.

Do you feel differently?

[anamandujano]

100. "defend a sexist remark" He made the remark about Obama,

an attempt to paint Hillary as racist. I merely responded by noting my experience with the word. I've heard women referred to as uppity numerous times just because they dare to speak at all.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/uppity

The word is 3rd on the list. The word does not immediately call up connotations of racism, except with people who want to flog that angle and silence anyone who engages them in conversation.

How many words do you want to strike from our vocabulary just to keep people from speaking? True, the OP, an Obamabot to be sure, used that word for the same purposes you are using it, to keep the race card in play.

Because you choose to categorize my remarks as against the rules doesn't automatically mean they are against the rules. I understand your logic has been somewhat challenged trying to defend Obama in all his vacuity and race baiting. Get a grip.

I would also say that the newbie, after the tag team assault from you and cali, will probably switch teams. Keep up the good work!

[Alexander]

102. Even Hillary supporters agree with me. The OP's a troll and the comments are bigoted.

It's only a matter of time before AlFromDem gets banned, and if you defend that type of crap, hopefully the same applies to you.

"I've heard women referred to as uppity numerous times just because they dare to speak at all."

Then what are you waiting for? Hit alert on AFD's bigoted comments.

Or is it okay with you because AFD shares your hatred for Obama?

[okasha]

120. See the second definition.

"2. rebelliously self-assertive; not inclined to be tractable or deferential."

For example: thinking one has a right to sit at the same lunch counter as Whites, or drink from the same fountain, or not sit in the back of the bus, or get an education, or even, God forbid, vote.

You may honestly be more familiar with the term as used against women; I'm trying to give you the beneifit of the doubt. But those of us who remember the civil rights movement, supported it and were active in it remember the racial usage all too well.

It's an insult. It's offensive. Stop implying that it's not.

[cali]

63. you're fucking ignorant as any freeper

the word uppity has long been part of the racist's lexicon. The term "uppity n****r" is quite well known.

[Alexander]

64. Birds of a feather and all that.

[KennedyGuy]

96. another attack from a "I never attack" Obama supporter..

[Alexander]

103. In response to another racist post from an "I'm not a racist, but..." Shillbot.

[KennedyGuy]

now..now..no name calling

the mob of mean girls will try to get you..
they will fail..as they did yesterday..but they will come.
Oh..wait..no they won't..sanctioned attacks only happen against Hillary supporters..

[Alexander]

114. You agreed with me that AFD's "uppity" comment was indefensible.

I don't get your incessant hair-splitting. Do you agree with AFD's comment or not?

"Oh..wait..no they won't..sanctioned attacks only happen against Hillary supporters.."

Actually there are fair-minded people on both sides who disapprove of sanctioned attacks. I alerted on the poster who called you out. A pity you don't realize that I was defending you. :eyes:

[cali]

40. you're right, ruggerson

definite troll, and not representative of anything but.

[AlFromDem]

30. More unity

from the Obama camp.

[rodeodance]

45. thats the Elusive nature of UNITY---its puffness--PUFF--its gone.

[KennedyGuy]

75. That wouldn't be considered an attack, eh?

you sure can hurl a lot of insults for one so easily offended

[Alexander]

80. It's as much of an attack as "uppity" is a racist comment.

If you consider someone "easily offended" because they take exception to such language, then you'll fit right in with AlFromDem, a racist to the core.

[KennedyGuy]

83. you will never see the word "uppity" in one of my posts

nice try though...

[Alexander]

89. Good. Then it's safe to say you don't defend such language.

I'm still waiting to hear what your "easily offended" comment means, especially since the offense was taken with the word "uppity" which you apparently never use.

[KennedyGuy]

92. I do condem language like that..

I was referring to the VERY thin skin of some people in general who can fling mud like pro's yet are easily offended by just about anything negative regarding their candidate.

[Alexander]

93. Good. Then you'll join with me in alerting on AlFromDem's posts. Right?

After all, you condemn language like that, and racist language is forbidden by DU rules. Right?

[KennedyGuy]

97. sure..be sure to alert on Cali as well...

[Alexander]

107. I alerted on the thread that called you out the other day. I don't discriminate.

Will you do the same thing I did? That's the real question.

[KennedyGuy]

111. I absolutly will..and have...

[Alexander]

115. Then what's with the "easily offended" comment?

I'm offended by someone's use of the word "uppity". You, apparently, are also offended by it. Or aren't you? You can't have it both ways.

[Webster Green]

47. "Uppity Senator"?

Great choice of words. Are you sure you meant to say "senator"? :thumbsdown:

[Name removed]

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[AlFromDem]

55. "Uppity" does not have a racist connotation.

I take umbrage to your attacking me with it. Reported.

[Alexander]

57. Not if you're with the KKK, I suppose.

Did your sheets come back from the cleaners?

[AlFromDem]

79. Alex, why are you playing the race card?

I'm black myself. Ridiculous.

[Alexander]

81. AlFromDem, why are you using and defending racist language?

"I'm black myself. Ridiculous."

1. Racist language is forbidden on DU no matter what race you claim to be.

2. I don't believe you.

3. I will have a good laugh when you get tombstoned.

[AlFromDem]

82. The use of the word "uppity" is not racist.

Nice reach, champ.

[Webster Green]

84. It's racist!

Has been for a long time.

[AlFromDem]

99. Nonsense. By your standards, Joe Biden would be banned from DU.

Get a grip.

[Name removed]

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[Alexander]

125. And by your standards, bigoted comments are okay on DU.

[Webster Green]

129. No Skippy....you get a grip!

Peddle the KKK bullshit somewhere else!:crazy:

[Name removed]

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[anamandujano]

104. You are really out of line. I'm going to report this post.

.

[Alexander]

109. But you won't alert on "uppity". Nice to see you defending bigotry.

Let me guess, AlFromDem's your sockpuppet.

[MonkeyFunk]

68. Uppity?

I've added you to my buddy list.

It's how I easily check to see which obvious idiots have been ts'ed.

[rodeodance]

42. true--but the obamababies go off the wall when obama get a pt lead!!

[calteacherguy]

10. Post-debate surge in the tracking numbers?

What have you been smokin'?

LOL!

[MonkeyFunk]

116. this is your only reply in this flamebait you started?

You've been asked repeatedly where, when and how Clinton has implied what you said she did.

Why not address questions that go directly to the premise of your OP?

[MichiganVote]

4. This is wholly a media driven implication

[rodeodance]

32. and like so many Obamamanicals---they SLURP it up like KOOD-AID

[maddiejoan]

5. Where has she done this?

[TheDeathadder]

6. what better way

to get the experience to be president than being vice-president ;)

[TexasObserver]

7. I'm sure Bill has told 10 people they're in her top 3 choices for VP

if not 20

[bigtree]

8. this post is desperation

here's Obama preaching unity . . . yet, some of his 'supporters' seem intent on doing everything they can to promote these superficial divisions.

In the debate, Obama did say that he'd consider the ticket with his name at the top, so . . .

[Spider Jerusalem]

16. well, of course he said that

doesn't mean he MEANT it (it's politically naive to assume he'd say anything else after being put on the spot like that).

[bigtree]

20. then, what's the hang over Hillary's insinuations?

[Rageneau]

11. In case you care, it is a sin to tell a lie.

Your spurious claim that "Clinton has been implying, indirectly, the posibility of a ticket including both her and Obama...with her at the top of course" is just that -- spurious.

You cannot provide a single example of her bringing that subject up. Why do you Hillary-haters feel so justified in lying about the Clintons?

Did you not know that it is also a sin to bear false witness?

[liberalnurse]

13. Get use to it.

The Deal has been cut...,Clinton will accept Obama for her VP.

[goldcanyonaz]

14. Your post shows "arrogance, entitlement and presumption" as usual.

[aquart]

17. Trust me. That doesn't have the appeal you think it has.

[Rock_Garden]

21. Hillary's final act of desperation will be to win the Super Tuesday primaries.

[krabigirl]

25. I can only hope...if only to hear less of this Obama hysteria.

[rodeodance]

22. and I think the IP is DESPERATE!! WHAT A JOKE!!

[KennedyGuy]

27. I think its hilarious desperation

Obama folks must have seen some disturbing internal polls for the to be spasing this much.

[goldcanyonaz]

31. Great point, OP doesn't seem that confident for someone "on the ground".

[rodeodance]

62. I do not know what brought it on but I actaully had a good belly-laugh!!

[AGirl]

29. oh shut the hell up .

[THUNDER HANDS]

33. yeah, she's trying to trick obama people into thinking it's okay to vote for her

because they'd be getting him too.

won't work though.

[bigtree]

35. more valid than groveling for republican votes

[THUNDER HANDS]

36. or choking up for votes...oh wait

that wasn't him.

[bigtree]

50. or, praising the effectiveness of a republican demagogue 'for votes'

that was him

[okasha]

78. Or cuddles up to genocidal homophobes for votes.

That was him, too.

[rodeodance]

65. Her only 'trick' this week was to talk issues while OBAMA blasted her over and over. UNITY go to

hell was his message.

[anamandujano]

86. Correct! I think they both hated that VP question and both said

what basic civility required. I'd be shocked if either chose the other for Veep, the animosity has run too deep.

[quickesst]

34. Not much air...

of desparation in LA right now. Selective memory, and wishful thinking might be considered assets to some, but only if they have never lived without them. Good luck with that. Thanks.
quickesst

[saracat]

37. What nasty pathetic post and I am not even a Clinton fan. The one who appears desperate is you!

[KennedyGuy]

41. these are the folks who never attack, mind you..

they just do it better as a pitchfork and fire torch crowd..like yesterday's sanctioned and co-ordinated attack.
One on one..they are easy..
come to think of it..as a mob, they are pretty easy to deal with too.

[KennedyGuy]

54. you are faaaaaantastic saracat!

[rodeodance]

71. bingo--and don't know if I have ever agreed with you before.

[Frances]

39. The audience in the last debate loved the idea

of an Obama-Clinton or Clinton-Obama team. It was the moderator who asked about this.

So, I don't think you can blame Hillary for the idea.

[Evergreen Emerald]

43. gosh another distorted twisted ugly post by an Obama supporter

who'd a thunk?

[KennedyGuy]

44. Hah! always did love Evergreen...

[Evergreen Emerald]

46. right back at cha Kennedyguy

:P

[Silent3]

53. Since I like both Clinton and Obama...

...and since Clinton might not want to run again when she's 64 or 68 years old, I rather like the idea of a Clinton/Obama ticket for the next eight years, and Obama/? for another eight years after that.

Of course, that based on a lot of speculation and wishful thinking about how things might turn out and how well either would actually do once elected, which is a lot of speculation indeed with even the outcome of Super Tuesday a blurry mystery at this point in time... but hey, I still like the idea nevertheless. :) And it's an idea that works out better with a Clinton/Obama ticket than an Obama/Clinton ticket.

[MonkeyFunk]

56. Tell me how she's implied that

how ridiculous. You haters can't but help lying.

[KennedyGuy]

59. Hatred is always irrational Monkeyfunk

[Seabiscuit]

66. Why can't all of you just quit bickering?

[acmavm]

69. I just got off the phone with the most liberal democrat I've ever known not

15 minutes ago. She lives on the West coast in a very liberal (to the point of sometimes being funny) state. And she says that no one, not one single person that she's run into, friend/foe/stranger, wants Obama to win the nomination.

Neither do I, and I don't like the Clintons. But regardless, their supporters are apparently turning as many people off as he does.

McCain will finally see his pathetic dreams realized if this guy is the nominee.

edit: I should have added that they (herself, her boyfriend, her brother, and her mother) were MoveOn donors. MoveOn do that all e-mailed MoveOn and told them to take them off their mailing list and never contact them again.

[rodeodance]

74. good to hear--thanks.

[Yurovsky]

77. Your friend needs to get out more ...

take a look at the crowds at any Obama event ... you see young faces full of hope.

Contrast that with Hillary's events. They remind me of funerals, without all of the festiveness.

[acmavm]

87. Hope vs. funerals. PERFECT example of how Barrie's supporters turn

most people against their arrogant candidate. I tried to convince her that even voting for him would be better than letting a republican have it (which even I sometimes don't believe). She didn't care. Not one damn bit. Like she says, if this is the best the democrats can come up with, they deserve the Hell they create for themselves.

[Yurovsky]

112. You need to develop a sense of humor...

not that you're alone among the Hillary supporters. I've heard that there's very little in the way of "happiness" within her camp. Just a grim sense of "duty".

If you choose to follow someone of that ilk, have at it. I think most Democrats are choosing Hope over Hate.

[acmavm]

128. I 'hope' not. Because my definition of a democratic candidate for

president isn't a lobbyists wet dream of a homophobe who changes his stories like most people change their underwear.

[Webster Green]

131. That's not what's happening in this very liberal west coast town..

Folks here are looking for change, and suffering from Clinton fatigue.

Go figure. :shrug:

[Jennos20]

73. I love Hillary Clinton

I think she is fierce!

[Lucinda]

94. LInk? Or are you referring to the bogus article that implied she was, where she was just

referring to receiving email from people who were excited that the next POTUS was going to be a black man or a woman?

[LVjinx]

98. Um

Yeah, it's Clinton that brought this up. Wasn't a question asked in the debate or anything.

[tandot]

105. Do you have a link or are you just making sh*t up?

:shrug:

[HughMoran]

130. P - O - T - A - T - O - E

:D

[Perry Logan]

134. Desperately funny.

[Zhuk]

137. its about starting to heal the party as democrats

Clinton is ahead going into Super Tuesday so I think if she wins it would be great for all dems if Obama would consider being VP as a way of healing the party and bringing everyone together