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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:10 PM
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Obama "doesn't go on television and have crying fits; he isn't discovering his voice at age 60"
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-iraqpol2feb02,0,1272905.story

McCain surge puts Iraq war at fore

The likelihood that the war hero will be the GOP nominee creates a battle between Democrats over who can best challenge him.
By Peter Wallsten, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
10:34 PM PST, February 1, 2008

WASHINGTON -- The growing likelihood that Sen. John McCain will win the Republican presidential nomination has sparked renewed debate between the Democratic front-runners over the Iraq war -- and over who possesses the strongest credentials to challenge a war hero for the duties of commander in chief.

The issue provoked one of the sharpest moments in Thursday's Democratic debate in Los Angeles, as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York argued that the party's eventual nominee would need sufficient "gravitas" to persuade American voters that he or she can be a strong leader while arguing for a withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

The jousting continued Friday when a top military advisor to Clinton's rival, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, ridiculed Clinton's implication that she would offer voters the better credentials.

The advisor, retired Gen. Merrill A. "Tony" McPeak, said in a telephone interview that Obama has "real gravitas, not artificially created, focus-grouped, poll-directed, rehearsed gravitas."

He also said Obama "doesn't go on television and have crying fits; he isn't discovering his voice at the age of 60" -- references to Clinton's much-publicized show of emotion during the New Hampshire primary campaign and her speech after winning the contest in which she declared that she had "found my voice."

McPeak later retracted his remarks, and the Obama camp disassociated itself from them.

McPeak, who served as Air Force chief of staff under the first President Bush and President Clinton, charged in his initial comments that Clinton's remark about gravitas was "the kind of lie that has one element of truth."

"Yes, gravitas is important, but a lot of the rest is obfuscation," he said. "It's almost like if you say that you have gravitas, you had it from being Bill Clinton's wife for eight years and Barack Obama had never earned it from his life experience."

An Obama campaign aide was on the line during the interview. Minutes later, McPeak called back to say he regretted his remarks and that he has "high regard" for Hillary Clinton.

He also expressed concern that "some of those loose-lips-will-sink-ships quotes will be the big story."

In an email, the Obama campaign said McPeak's words "crossed the line" and that Obama "strongly disagrees with these comments and apologizes on behalf of the campaign."

A Clinton spokesman, Phil Singer, called it "unfortunate" that McPeak's retraction "was motivated out of concern about the political impact of his words as opposed to the fact that they were simply offensive."

Also from the article:

"Polls throughout the campaign have shown that Democratic-leaning voters see Clinton as better prepared than Obama to be commander in chief. The survey respondents, even if they disagree with her war vote, also rate her as best equipped to end the war."

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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:14 PM
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1. General McPeak has put a lot on the line for his anti-war stance.
Keep posting this all you want, but the man has shown courage.

The military in general has a long way to go with regard to women.

I know why you're posting this. You hope that you will get the same reaction from woman throughout the country that Hillary got in NH.

Don't think it will work.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:17 PM
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4. i THINK you should change subject line to Obama camp retracks Agist comment!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:20 PM
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12. So he's okay as a sexist pig as long as he's from the military?
Because they're all like that? Okey dokey.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:42 PM
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26. What did he say that was so "sexist?"
As a woman, I was offended by her "tearing" up.

He's entitled to his opinion. It wasn't sexist. He didn't say she should sit at home birthing babies and taking care of their husbands.

Give me a break!
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:20 AM
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35. god, as a woman, I am so ashamed that you can't figure out what's so sexist about it.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:23 AM
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36. Well as a dumb guy I dont get it either
please spell it out for me?
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:25 AM
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37. *sigh*
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:15 PM
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2. "the Obama camp disassociated itself from them."--AGIST COMMENT
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:15 PM
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3. And as reported, the Obama campaign responded within minutes
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:18 PM
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Obama ---foot-in-mouth syndrome on full display, he he.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:18 PM
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To their credit..Obama camp disavowed this right away
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:26 PM
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31. thanks for the bipartisanship, KennedyGuy
nice to see from a usual Hillary supporter.
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:18 PM
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5. I keep hoping that species is extinct.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:19 PM
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7. That type is in the woodwork all over.
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:21 PM
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13. Oh, I know it, Sucks.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:18 PM
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6. The more I read about the Obama
campaign the more I can't stand him...and I don't care that he apologized or whatever he still has a sexist ass working for him - who probably didn't even realize how fucking sexist those comments are.

and due to this campaign I'm convinced more than any time in my life that sexism is far more prevalent than racism...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:19 PM
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8. Obama campers will do anything to win.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:27 PM
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14. I wish I could articulate
how much I can not stand Hillary Clinton - I have railed on her well before she even announced - and that is because I use to LOVE HER and she has let me down time and time and time again especially on Iraq. That being said I don't believe Obama is one bit different on the issues.

But to think I am actually defending her is testament to HOW GOD AWFUL the Obama campaign has been - and that I have come this close to flipping and "liking" her more than him...

In the end it doesn't matter vote wise I have already voted - and would never have voted for either of them in the primary - but will vote for one of them in November - but I have lost a TON of respect for him

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:04 PM
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19. Time to get over it. move on.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:36 PM
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22. That's pretty funny given my DU name
and no I won't get over it because over a million Iraqis are dead - 4 million displaced - 4K of our soldiers are dead, tens of thousand wounded - BILLIONS AND BILLIONS pissed away down a rat hole, our economy in the crapper because of it....

No I don't think I'll get over it...
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:28 PM
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32. I don't think that the Hillary camp
has too much high ground here. Not from outsiders that I've talked to. DUers of course are a different breed.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:19 PM
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9. That was too nasty for a campaign spokersperson to say. But its true.
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 04:20 PM by Radical Activist
The idea that she's just finding her voice now is so ridiculously disingenuous. If it took her this long then maybe she doesn't have a genuine inner voice to find.

And he well sums up exactly why McCain will easily beat Hillary: "real gravitas, not artificially created, focus-grouped, poll-directed, rehearsed gravitas."

People want a genuine person with conviction. McCain can project that image and Hillary can't.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:28 PM
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15. Which part is true, dear?
The part where she's a human with human emotion but people were so busy believing Republican/Obama propaganda (funny how alike it looks) that they never noticed until that moment?

Or the part where a woman like so many other women who have subordinated their needs and ambitions to those of their husbands and families is finally able to admit her own needs and preferences? I can understand why that wouldn't have resonance to any man or a very young woman.

The truth isn't the problem. The problem is that he saw it as a bad thing.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:38 PM
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17. Can I call you honey since we're on a pet name basis now?
I guess you don't risk being called sexist for using "dear" with a condescending intent.

When someone with a reputation for constantly reinventing herself claims to "find her voice" after a lifetime of political activism and over a year of running for President it should be no surprise that people saw it as a disingenuous attempt to identify with women who have subordinated their needs and ambitions to their husbands and families. We all know that Hillary was never the type to stay in the kitchen and bake cookies, by her own admission, so its a little hard to swallow.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:20 PM
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10. well that'll go over.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:20 PM
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11. Did they fire him and make him apologize for his sexist remarks?
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:30 PM
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16. I'm still waiting for Jesse Jackson Jr. to step down,
I'm still waiting for an apology for Donny McClurkin. (actually I stopped waiting for both a long time ago)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:41 PM
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18. Fucking McPeak--he screwed his chance of being the "military" VP with those comments
And he probably screwed himself out of a cabinet post or ambassadorship, too. He might get a Service Secretary job--hopefully they'll keep him FAR away from the Navy....

Fucking amateur!!! He should have taken some Immodium before he started in on that phone call!
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:17 PM
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20. Politically incorrect statement... but pretty much spot on in sentiment....
McPeak just doesn't have the tact to say it in a better way.

But what he said is pretty true.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:41 PM
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25. Oh sexism is pretty much on spot
I was stunned when I checked your profile and it said you were MALE - never would have guessed that
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:19 PM
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21. I'm glad they retracted this, it was bad form. nt
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:39 PM
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23. But he was recently potty trained and is on solid food.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:40 PM
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24. I think its a fair point.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:09 PM
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27. I agree; it is a fair point
And yes, (shock), I am male.

You do not find your voice after 35 years of experience, all the while touting "toughness" and then cry on TV.
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Tom Strong Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:16 PM
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28. Kick (McPeak right in his stupid face.) n/t
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:30 PM
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29. another person who doesn't fall for fake tears and concern
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Tom Strong Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:47 PM
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30. Another kick. (Right up alongside McPeak's dumbass head.) lol n/t
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:32 PM
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33. Your subject line suggest that Barack himself made the comments n/t
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:16 AM
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34. I don't want Hillary as our candidate, but I'm tired of the "crying" distortion.
Hillary didn't cry.
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