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Liberals Rule Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:22 PM
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No Way Any Republican Beats Hillary..
Hillary has the most money inher coffers. Hillary will have ,most if not all of the Obama supporters if he loses the primay.

Alhough Hillary is polarizing..Bush2 was just as polarizing yet still get in there.
I see Hillary as the next President of the United States!!!
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:22 PM
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1. 100 per cent agree
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Tom Strong Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:23 PM
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2. All the Repubs are actively cheering for Obama. That tells you all you need to know. n/t
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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:27 PM
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4. False.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:38 PM
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11. They are? Then why did exactly ZERO of the GOP candidates...
... mention Obama's name during the last debate? They were all taking glee in running against Clinton, as I recall. They used her name almost as much as they used Reagan's. }(
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Tom Strong Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:41 PM
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15. Because they don't see Obama as a threat. Think about it. n/t
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:42 PM
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18. Isn't that interesting? Because I do think about it, I have thought about it...
... and I reach the exact opposite conclusion.
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Tom Strong Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:47 PM
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23. Well, you're just wrong, then. Hill terrifies them. The Clinton's have never lost anything. Ever.n/t
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:49 PM
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24. Oh, OK. I'm just wrong then.
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 04:50 PM by VolcanoJen
"The Audacity of Smugness."

(I'd say the Clintons lost Iowa and South Carolina, though. Kinda like a beatdown, if that counts for anything)
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Tom Strong Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:55 PM
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27. I'm arrogant, too.
Look on the brightside, Jen -- Super Tues is only a few days away. That's when we'll see which one of is right and which one of us is wrong.

And if I'm wrong, I hope you track me down on here and spike that football right under my nose.

'Cuz, like, you'll have totally earned it.

But I'm not wrong.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:05 PM
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29. No, not really my style.
And since (thanks to proportional awardment of delegates) we won't in any way, shape or form be any closer to the end of the nomination battle on Wednesday than we are today, I certainly won't go looking around DU trying to find Clinton supporters and make them feel stupid, or something.

This thing is going at least to Ohio. Being a Buckeye, I can't wait. :-)
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:24 PM
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3. 95% of Republicans loathe her. Probably 50% of Indys and 25% of Dems do, too.
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 04:24 PM by MercutioATC
That's not a winning combination...
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Liberals Rule Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:29 PM
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5. You forget all the new voters and a record turnout!
Voting Rule #1

WHEN THE DEMOCRATS TURNOUT THE VOTE THEY ALWAYS WIN!

The intersts in the 08 election isn't there for most Republicans.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:31 PM
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9. See how many Repubs will get motivated if HRC is the Dem candidate.
She's probably the single biggest motivator the Republicans have to get out their vote.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:46 PM
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21. Obama fuels unprecedented and NEW turnout...
...that's exactly right.

I just posted about this.

I don't think the media did a good job of communicating what happened in Iowa. I know
I live in a small, fly-over state, but does everyone realize what happened during the Iowa
caucus.

Iowa Dem voter turnout increased by 100 percent, from 2004. And 2004 was a record year.

Iowa Republican voter turnout was flat.

Ok, people---I can barely contain myself as I type this. What happens during a General Election...
when Dem voter turnout increases 100 percent ???? Not only do we win, we cream them
seven ways to Sunday.

It's absolutely chilling and mind blowing.

And yes--Dem turnout increased due to a variety of factors. However, Obama won Iowa handily
and he won in nearly every single precinct . Hillary came in third. Much of that
high turnout and new-voter turnout was due to Obama.

If we extrapolate these numbers onto the GE---it will be a blowout win for the Dems.

I don't care what the polls say now about McCain/Obama match-ups. America has not yet
experienced the full force of the Obama campaign.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:13 AM
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35. agree...
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 12:14 AM by RiverStone
And the full force of the GoBama tidal wave is only just beginning.

Nominating Barack will bring out voters in numbers possibly higher then they have been in the past 50 years.

It will be a blowout!

Barack Obama will be a transformative president!!!
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:55 PM
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31. Didn't Work in 2004, Did It?
WHEN THE DEMOCRATS TURNOUT THE VOTE THEY ALWAYS WIN!


Except when the Repiggies steal the election, like they did last time.

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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:57 PM
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33. Much of the "surge" is due to Obama.. not Clinton. NT
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:29 PM
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6. Yes, Bush II won a divisive election by igniting the base and dividing americans
and he has presided over a divisive administration going on 8 years.

Woohoo for 8 more years of that!
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Liberals Rule Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:30 PM
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8. Noooooo......8 more years of a Democrat
who will try to fix what he screwed up!
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:41 PM
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16. Xactly. Let's move on. Let's move on with a coalition of Dems,
Indys, and Lite Republicans ! Leave the poison in the dust. She will prolong it - and there will be constant hatred spewed. Like it or not, her fault or not, she is embroiled in the big divide of them vs. us.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:53 PM
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30. Exactly right.
Republicans will make it their mission to oppose anything and everything she does, regardless of how much sense it might make.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:52 PM
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32. Plus, who knows what they;ve got in store to sling - They've probably
been following Bill around with hidden cameras since Monica.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:29 PM
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7. I just had a conversation with my neighbors...
who are TOTALLY republican, and they said that they are not happy with their choices, and they also had some not so nice things to say about Obama. Now, here's a couple, who 3 months ago, SWORE that they would NEVER vote for Hillary, but I baited them to see where they were on her now, and they DEFENDED her!!! After their staunch defense of my 'bait', I didn't even bother to ask if they would vote for her in the GE, because I knew they would...I also think she might have gotten their votes last Tuesday...LOL....

Moral of the story?? Never say never.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:37 PM
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10. It doesn't matter how much money a candidate has...
Before I became an Obama supporter, I fully researched each
candidate's record and ideas. I found that I agreed with
both Edwards and Obama.

I was torn between the two candidates for a long time.

The tie breaker for me, was the issue of "electability".

Obama's got it in the bag---for many reasons.

1.) I'm in Iowa, and I was invited to many Obama events where
disenfranchised Republicans, Independents and Progressive
Dems were in attendance. Obama appeals across party lines
in ways that Hillary Clinton absolutely does not.

2.) Obama brings in new voters--not just the "youth" vote, but
people who have been political couch potatoes for many election
cycles. As an Obama precinct captain, I had to check caucus
goers in. At least 30 percent of these people had never caucused
before. Many were middle-aged. Iowa Dem turnout increased by
100 percent . Obama won Iowa handily and was responsible
for a great deal of those new voters and the large turnout. Conversely,
Republican turnout in Iowa was flat. I don't think most people realize
the significance of these trends. Republicans often plan on a
slight increase in Dem turnout. It's why they disenfranchise and suppress
a certain percentage--to wipe out our gains. Absolutely no way
can the Republicans counter a 100 percent increase in Dem voter
turnout
. They couldn't steal it if they wanted. Obama
fuels unprecedented levels of voting in our party, like no other
candidate.

3.) Against McCain, Obama can siphon off Independents. Hillary
is very polarizing and against McCain--McCain will garner most of
that Independent vote, not Hillary.

4.) Hillary is so disliked on the Republican side, that she will
motivate Republicans to come out and vote--against her. Like it
or not...Hillary has major negatives. Obama does not have major
negatives. In fact, he is liked by some disenfranchised Republicans,
many Independents and nearly all Dems. In a recent poll, 19 percent
of Dems said they would vote AGAINST Hillary. That may not be fair,
and that sentiment may erode closer to the GE, but there is no
denying that Hillary does not catalyze Dems like Obama does.

Making the argument that a boatload of money ensures a win--is
a very weak argument. All candidates--if they make it to the GE--
have almost limitless resources.

It's about who can pick off those Independents and persuade some
Republicans to climb on board. Hillary cannot do this, especially
against McCain. Obama can--in spades.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:47 PM
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22. Susan Eisenhower: Why I'm Backing Obama
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4344536
Susan Eisenhower: Why I'm Backing Obama - Democratic Underground


Susan Eisenhower, Ike's Granddaughter, Tells Newsweek That She's Watching Fellow Republicans 'Slip Away One By One'


http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/05-06-2007/0004581643&EDATE=
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:39 PM
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12. Right because she won't win the nomination, thank God.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:40 PM
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13. if anyone who backs obama and does`t vote for hillary
is one sorry person...i guess they figure mittens and geezer are better than clinton...
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:40 PM
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14. There are a lot of sorry people in this country
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:43 PM
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19. Anyone who backs Hillary and doesn't vote for Obama...
... is one sorry person. I guess they figure mittens and geezer are better than Obama.

The converse is often every bit as true.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:42 PM
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17. nope. she wont win. Independents won't vote for her like they will McCain
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 04:42 PM by loveangelc
Plus a lot of obama's supporters are not going to support her.
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:45 PM
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20. You think money will overcome the legions of people that hate her?
Think again. Hillary Clinton will pull together the most massive coalition, across party and ideological lines, of people who detest her that you have ever seen. And maybe after she loses, she will pull a Kerry and keep the leftover dough.

I will shake my head as you wonder what happened to your "of the people" candidate.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:52 PM
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25. I agree with the part where you compare Hillary to Bush
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:53 PM
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26. BRAINS!!!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:55 PM
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28. Hillary isn't running against Bush. She'll be running against a guy who ran against Bush.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:05 AM
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34. Uh huh, right
First of all, there is no candidate out there that is more inherently capable of energizing conservatives and 'Pugs than one with Clinton as their last name. The voter turnout against her would be of tidal wave proportions

Second, the anti-war left would either go Green or stay home. Her stance on the war, her vote for the IWR, capped with signing Kyle/Lieberman insures that

Bonus if she's going up against McCain, he'll pull in some moderate and Conservative Dems to his camp, and really suck in the independents.

And remember, in this game of politics, money is always fluid, and funding can dry up overnight.
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