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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:42 PM
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Fact Check on New York Times Story
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 07:47 PM by ProSense

Fact Check on New York Times Story

February 02, 2008
RHETORIC: NYT IMPLIED THAT OBAMA'S REVISED BILL DID NOT REQUIRE IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF LEAKS

NYT: "In Place Of Straightforward Reporting Requirements Was New Language Giving The Nuclear Commission Two Years To Come Up With Its Own Regulations.
"In place of the straightforward reporting requirements was new language giving the nuclear commission two years to come up with its own regulations. The bill said that the commission 'shall consider'--not require--immediate public notification." (New York Times, 2/3/08)

REALITY: NYT NEVER MENTIONS THAT THE REVISED BILL, LIKE THE ORIGINAL, REQUIRED NOTIFICATION OF PUBLIC LEAKS AND THAT THE ONLY CHANGE WAS THAT REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE MADE THROUGH THE REGULATORY PROCESS.

National Journal Wrote That "Obama's Bill would Require Any Leak" Exceeding NRC Accepted Levels "Be Reported To State And Local Authorities, And To The NRC Within 24 Hours."
"'Obama's bill would require that any leak of radioactive materials exceeding the levels set by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the EPA be reported to state and local authorities, and to the NRC within 24 hours. It also would require the NRC to devise reporting requirements for such accidents within two years. Currently, private nuclear companies are not required to notify officials of any leak that is not considered a public health or safety emergency under criteria set by the NRC and EPA. In a statement, Obama said the bill would ensure 'that concerned parents and citizens won't have to rely on the federal government or an image-conscious corporation to get information.'" (National Journal's CongressDaily, 9/25/06)

REALITY: NYT NEVER MENTIONED THAT THE REVISED BILL ACTUALLY STRENGTHENED THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE TO SPECIFY THAT "IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION" SHOULD MEAN 24 HOURS

Revised Bill Stated, "The Commission Shall Promulgate Regulations That Require Civilian Nuclear Power Facilities...To Provide Notice Of Any Release," And Made Clear That Failure To Notify NRC Was Grounds For License Revocation.
The revised version of S. 2348 read, "Not later than 2 years after the date of enactment of the Nuclear Release Notice Act of 2006, the Commission shall promulgate regulations that require civilian nuclear power facilities licensed under this section or section 104 (b) to provide notice of any release to the environment of quantities of fission products or other radioactive substances." The EPW Committee's report on the revised bill further clarified, "S. 2348 directs the Commission to promulgate regulations, within 2 years of the date of enactment, requiring nuclear plant licensees to notify the governments of the State and county in which a civilian nuclear power facility is located in the event of any release to the environment of quantities of fission products or other radioactive substances. This bill also directs NRC to consider a number of factors in developing the regulations." (S. 2348, Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 637, 9/25/2006; EPW Committee Report on S. 2348, 9/25/06)

Original Bill Required Plants to "Immediately Notify" Commission, State And County. The original version of S. 2348, introduced on March 1, 2006, required plants to "immediately notify" when unplanned releases occurred. "`(A) IN GENERAL- Each license issued for a utilization facility under this section or section 104 b. shall require as a condition of the license that in case of an unplanned release described in subparagraph (B), the licensee shall immediately notify the Commission, and the State and county in which the facility is located, of the release. `(B) UNPLANNED RELEASES- Subparagraph (A) applies to any unplanned release of quantities of fission products or other radioactive substances--`(i) in excess of allowable limits for normal operation established by the Commission or other applicable Federal laws or standards; and `(ii) within allowable limits for normal operation established by the Commission or other applicable Federal laws or standards but that occurs more than twice within a 2-year period originating from the same source, process, or equipment at a facility.'" (S. 2348, Introduced 3/1/06, 109th Congress)


RHETORIC: NYT IMPLIED THAT THE REVISED BILL COULD ALLOW THE NRC TO DECIDE THAT EXISTING REPORTING REQUIREMENTS WERE ALREADY SUFFICIENT

NYT Implied That The Revised Bill Left Open Possibility That Revised Bill Allowed NRC To Adopt Task Force Finding That Reporting Requirements Were Already Sufficient. "(The revised bill also directed the NRC to take into account the findings of a task force it set up to study the tritium leaks. By then, the task force had already concluded that 'existing reporting requirements for abnormal spills and leaks are at a level that is risk-informed and appropriate." (New York Times, 2/3/08)

REALITY: THE REVISED BILL, LIKE ITS ORIGINAL VERSION, MANDATED NEW REPORTING REQUIREMENTS

Revised Bill Stated, "The Commission Shall Promulgate Regulations That Require Civilian Nuclear Power Facilities...To Provide Notice Of Any Release," And Made Clear That Failure To Notify NRC Was Grounds For License Revocation.
The revised version of S. 2348 read, "Not later than 2 years after the date of enactment of the Nuclear Release Notice Act of 2006, the Commission shall promulgate regulations that require civilian nuclear power facilities licensed under this section or section 104 (b) to provide notice of any release to the environment of quantities of fission products or other radioactive substances." The EPW Committee's report on the revised bill further clarified, "S. 2348 directs the Commission to promulgate regulations, within 2 years of the date of enactment, requiring nuclear plant licensees to notify the governments of the State and county in which a civilian nuclear power facility is located in the event of any release to the environment of quantities of fission products or other radioactive substances. This bill also directs NRC to consider a number of factors in developing the regulations." (S. 2348, Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 637, 9/25/2006; EPW Committee Report on S. 2348, 9/25/06)


RHETORIC: NYT REPORTED THAT EXELON AND NUCLEAR ENERGY WERE SATISFIED WITH TH BILL AND NO LONGER OPPOSED IT

NYT: Exelon And NEI Were Satisfied With The Revised Bill And No Longer Opposed It.
"In interviews last week, representatives of Exelon and the nuclear commission said they were satisfied with the revised bill. The Nuclear Energy Institute said it no longer opposed it but wanted additional changes." (New York Times, 2/3/08)

REALITY: BOTH EXELON AND THE NUCLEAR ENERGY INSTITUTE DID NOT SUPPORT THE REVISED BILL AND SAID THEY BELIEVED IT WAS NOT NECESSARY

CQ: Committee Approval Of Revised Obama Bill "Came Despite Industry Assertions That Companies Nationwide Already Are Employing New Measures To Compel An Increase In Reporting, And That Congressional Action Is Unnecessary.
"A bill approved Wednesday by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee would increase the reporting of radioactive leaks to state and local officials by operators of nuclear power plants. The committee action came despite industry assertions that companies nationwide already are employing new measures to compel an increase in reporting, and that congressional action is unnecessary. The committee approved by voice vote a revised version of the bill (S 2348) that was written by Illinois Democrats Barack Obama and Richard J. Durbin. The changes include new language that would give the Nuclear Regulatory Commission two years to issue regulations governing the reporting of radioactive leaks. The bill drew support from Chairman James M. Inhofe, R-Okla...Obama rejected industry arguments that no new regulation is needed. 'That's what industry always says; they never think that any regulation is appropriate,' Obama said. 'But this is about as modest a regulatory scheme as is possible. We simply want surrounding communities to be notified when these kinds of things happen.'" (CQ Today, 9/13/06)

NEI Spokeswoman: "We Do Not Believe A Federal Law On This Issue Is Necessary" Because Current Regulations Suffice. "NEI spokeswoman Melanie Lyons said in a September 14 e-mail that industry does not disagree with the intent of the Obama bill. 'In fact, the industry's communication protocol already meets what we understand would be required by the legislation,' she said. However, 'we do not believe that a federal law on this issue is necessary,' because all nuclear plant releases are 'well below' NRC radiation safety limits and current regulations 'already include requirements for prompt reporting of significant releases' and annual reporting of all radioactive releases, Lyons said. Also, the industry initiative requires 'prompt notification of state and local officials and the NRC,' she said." (Platts' Inside NRC, 9/18/06)

NEI Considered The Revised Version A "Better Bill" But Still Did Not Believe It Was "Necessary." "Jerry Slominski, senior director of legislative affairs for the Nuclear Energy Institute, said he is more accepting of the legislation that passed out of committee, which gives the NRC more flexibility in writing its reporting rules than the original bill. While Slominski said 'we do consider this a better bill,' he added, 'We don't believe this regulation is necessary. The NRC has all the legislation it needs to protect public health and safety.'" (National Journal's Congress Daily, 9/25/06)


RHETORIC: NYT IMPLIED THAT OBAMA'S STAFF BELIEVED THE INDUSTRY'S VOLUNTARY EFFORTS WERE SUFFICIENT AND QUOTED A NUCLEAR SAFETY ADVOCATE AS SAYING THEY WERE UNTRUSTWORTHY
NYT Quoted Nuclear Safety Advocate As Saying That Industry's Voluntary Guidelines Were Not Trustworthy.
"Nuclear safety advocates are divided on whether Mr. Obama's efforts yielded any lasting benefits. David A. Lochbaum of the Union of Concerned Scientists agreed that 'it took the introduction of the bill in the first place to get a reaction from the industry.' 'But of course because it is all voluntary,' Mr. Lochbaum said, 'who's to say where things will be a few years from now?'" (New York Times, 2/3/08)

REALITY: NYT NEGLECTED TO MENTION THAT OBAMA SPECIFICALLY CRITICIZED THE INDUSTRY'S VOLUNTARY GUIDELINES AND VOWED TO PRESS AHEAD WITH THE BILL AFTER THOSE GUIDELINES WERE ANNOUNCED.

Obama Called The Nuclear Industry's Self-Regulation Proposal Inadequate And "Vowed...To Press Ahead With A Bill To Mandate" Notification Of Unplanned Releases.
"Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) vowed Tuesday to press ahead with a bill to mandate reporting of unplanned radioactive releases, such as recent tritium leaks in Will County, saying a self-regulation initiative by the nuclear power industry is inadequate. 'While it's encouraging that the nuclear industry recognizes it has a special responsibility to keep communities informed of tritium leaks, the voluntary guidelines recommended by the Nuclear Energy Institute would still allow tritium leaks to occur without the public ever finding out about it,' he said. 'The nuclear industry already has a voluntary policy, and it hasn't worked,' he said. Obama's comments came in a prepared statement after the NEI presented a 'groundwater protection initiative' to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission staff. It aims to improve the handling of inadvertent releases of radioactive material into groundwater at the nation's 103 nuclear power plants...David Lochbaum, director of the Union of Concerned Scientists' Nuclear Safety Project, called the initiative 'a step in the right direction.' He said he was waiting to see more details to refine his impression. But he agreed that Obama's legislation would add teeth to the reporting requirement. 'What's to keep today's good initiative from going by the wayside?' he said. The Nuclear Release Notice Act is backed in the Senate by Obama and Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.) and in the House by Rep. Jerry Weller (R-Ill.). It would require notification of federal, state and county officials when radioactive releases exceed federal limits or when two occur within a two-year span from the same source, process or equipment. And it would "impose real penalties on plants" that fail to make notification, Obama said." (Chicago Tribune, 3/10/06)


Obama Said Exelon's Adjusted Notification Policy Was "Not Enough When It Comes To Nuclear Waste." "The releases came from a power generating station run by Exelon Nuclear. Exelon says that no public heath risk exists. But the company has changed its notification policy. The philosophy now, said company spokesman Craig Nesbit, 'is to go beyond legal and regulatory requirements.' But Obama said philosophy is not enough when it comes to nuclear waste. 'Notifying state and local officials should not be a courtesy; it should be the law,' he said." (CQ, 3/3/06)

RHETORIC: NYT REPORTED THAT OBAMA INTRODUCED THE BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON SIGNED ON "LATER"
NYT: Hillary Clinton Signed Onto The Bill "Later."
"To flag systematic problems, it would also have required reporting of repeated accidental leaks that fell below those limits. Illinois' senior senator, Richard J. Durbin, a fellow Democrat, was a co-sponsor, and three other senators, including Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat of New York, later signed on. But Mr. Obama remained its primary champion." (New York Times, 2/3/08)

REALITY: NYT NEGLECTED TO MENTION THAT SHE SIGNED ON AFTER THE REVISIONS WERE MADE

Hillary Clinton Cosponsored The Revised Bill After It Was Revised.
In 2006, Hillary Clinton's name was added as a cosponsor to an amended version of S. 2348, Obama's Nuclear Release Notice Act. The bill had been introduced in March 2006 and passed the Environment and Public Works Committee unanimously on September 13, 2006. (S. 2348, Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 637, 9/25/2006)


“Hillary Clinton Cosponsored The Revised Bill After It Was Revised.”

Wow!

Maybe now the NYT could stop doing Hillary's dirty work and follow up on this story





edited to fix link.



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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:46 PM
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1. where do you get your facts?
NYT versus Obama's website. Hmmm....who has the motive?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:50 PM
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4. Here:
S.2348
Title: A bill to amend the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 to require a licensee to notify the Atomic Energy Commission, and the State and county in which a facility is located, whenever there is an unplanned release of fission products in excess of allowable limits.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 3/1/2006) Cosponsors (4)
Related Bills: H.R.4825
Latest Major Action: 9/25/2006 Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 637.
Senate Reports: 109-347 COSPONSORS(4), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)


Sen Boxer, Barbara - 9/12/2006
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham - 9/25/2006
Sen Durbin, Richard - 3/1/2006
Sen Voinovich, George V. - 9/25/2006


See the link in the OP!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:57 PM
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11. I see Barbara Boxer is a co-sponsor, as well.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:31 PM
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20. Correct! n/t
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:29 AM
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22. What do you say about THIS story?
Responding to Recession
by Paul Krugman

<snip>
Since this is an election year, the debate over how to stimulate the economy is inevitably tied up with politics. And here’s a modest suggestion for political reporters. Instead of trying to divine the candidates’ characters by scrutinizing their tone of voice and facial expressions, why not pay attention to what they say about economic policy?
In fact, recent statements by the candidates and their surrogates about the economy are quite revealing.
<snip>
On the Democratic side, John Edwards, although never the front-runner, has been driving his party’s policy agenda. He’s done it again on economic stimulus: last month, before the economic consensus turned as negative as it now has, he proposed a stimulus package including aid to unemployed workers, aid to cash-strapped state and local governments, public investment in alternative energy, and other measures.
Last week Hillary Clinton offered a broadly similar but somewhat larger proposal. (It also includes aid to families having trouble paying heating bills, which seems like a clever way to put cash in the hands of people likely to spend it.) The Edwards and Clinton proposals both contain provisions for bigger stimulus if the economy worsens.
And you have to say that Mrs. Clinton seems comfortable with and knowledgeable about economic policy. I’m sure the Hillary-haters will find some reason that’s a bad thing, but there’s something to be said for presidents who know what they’re talking about.
The Obama campaign’s initial response to the latest wave of bad economic news was, I’m sorry to say, disreputable: Mr. Obama’s top economic adviser claimed that the long-term tax-cut plan the candidate announced months ago is just what we need to keep the slump from “morphing into a drastic decline in consumer spending.” Hmm: claiming that the candidate is all-seeing, and that a tax cut originally proposed for other reasons is also a recession-fighting measure — doesn’t that sound familiar?
Anyway, on Sunday Mr. Obama came out with a real stimulus plan. As was the case with his health care plan, which fell short of universal coverage, his stimulus proposal is similar to those of the other Democratic candidates, but tilted to the right.
For example, the Obama plan appears to contain none of the alternative energy initiatives that are in both the Edwards and Clinton proposals, and emphasizes across-the-board tax cuts over both aid to the hardest-hit families and help for state and local governments. I know that Mr. Obama’s supporters hate to hear this, but he really is less progressive than his rivals on matters of domestic policy.
In short, the stimulus debate offers a pretty good portrait of the men and woman who would be president. And I haven’t said a word about their hairstyles.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:30 AM
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23. NYT has been sucking O's ass for weeks
they finally give him a tad of criticism and Obamites go balllistic
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:57 AM
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28. All corporate media is pushing "small change/voluntary effort/no mandate" Obama
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:49 PM
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:51 PM
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5. No kidding
she must put in 80 hours/week on this shit.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:51 PM
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6. Here, since you're afraid of links:
S.2348
Title: A bill to amend the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 to require a licensee to notify the Atomic Energy Commission, and the State and county in which a facility is located, whenever there is an unplanned release of fission products in excess of allowable limits.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 3/1/2006) Cosponsors (4)
Related Bills: H.R.4825
Latest Major Action: 9/25/2006 Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 637.
Senate Reports: 109-347 COSPONSORS(4), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)


Sen Boxer, Barbara - 9/12/2006
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham - 9/25/2006
Sen Durbin, Richard - 3/1/2006
Sen Voinovich, George V. - 9/25/2006


If you want the link it's in the OP!
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:50 PM
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3. Let me guess: is this straight from Obama's website?
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 07:51 PM by Marie26
Edit: Yep.

http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/02/02/fact_check_on_new_york_times_s.php

You gotta wonder why this story bothers the Obama campaign enough to devote a whole page to it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:52 PM
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7. You too:
S.2348
Title: A bill to amend the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 to require a licensee to notify the Atomic Energy Commission, and the State and county in which a facility is located, whenever there is an unplanned release of fission products in excess of allowable limits.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 3/1/2006) Cosponsors (4)
Related Bills: H.R.4825
Latest Major Action: 9/25/2006 Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 637.
Senate Reports: 109-347 COSPONSORS(4), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)


Sen Boxer, Barbara - 9/12/2006
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham - 9/25/2006
Sen Durbin, Richard - 3/1/2006
Sen Voinovich, George V. - 9/25/2006


If you want the link it's in the OP!


Wow, Hillary supporters are in denial!

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:54 PM
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8. It's a disguised link
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 07:55 PM by Marie26
You never state that this came from the Obama campaign site in the headline or the post.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:56 PM
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10. Are you denying that Hillary sponsored Obama's bill after the revisions the NYT is criticizing? n/t
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:55 PM
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9. something sure got their knickers in a twist...
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:00 PM
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12. Perhaps it's the NYT writing an article to try and trash him on the eve of Super Tuesday that has
them thinking they must defend themselves against it.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:03 PM
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13. I'm thinking it has more
to do with the fact that Obama gets so much money from the nuclear power industry - including the Ill. company that concealed these radioactive leaks from the public. Which goes a long way to explain why Obama voted for the 2005 Energy Bill & why he allowed the leak disclosure bill to become so weakened. Major conflict of interest there.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:08 PM
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14. Here, more facts on one of Obama's co-sponsors :
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 08:08 PM by ProSense
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:09 PM
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15. Opensecrets.org reports Hillary has received more money from energy companies than Obama.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/sectors.asp?sec=E

Energy/Nat Resource

Romney, Mitt

$635,133

Clinton, Hillary

$574,658

Obama, Barack

$489,909

McCain, John

$441,985

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Jillian Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:11 PM
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16. But there is this
http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.hancock25jan25,0,4656523.column

Sounds like Obama was more interested in taking care of the eletricity corps, than the little people.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:18 PM
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17. There is
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:24 PM
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19. Illinois Citizens Utility Board said "he was one of our strongest allies in Springfield." More...
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 08:25 PM by flpoljunkie
David Kolata, executive director of the Illinois Citizens Utility Board, which represents residential utility customers, praises Obama's record on electricity and other consumer issues.

"He was one of our strongest allies in Springfield," Kolata says. "I can't remember a time when he was not on our side."

Obama once crossed his mentor, Jones, to oppose a bill increasing what incumbent phone companies could charge competitors leasing their lines, Kolata said. Phone outfits lobbied heavily for the measure, and "almost all Senate Democrats were convinced or forced to vote for it," he said. "State Sen. Obama sided with the consumer on that."

To hear his spokespeople tell it, Obama thinks deregulation has gone too far and Washington has taken its eye off the ball.

"Obama believes that, due to a lack of oversight by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, consumers have unrightfully been forced to deal with high spikes in electricity prices," says spokesman Ben LaBolt. He also "supports stepping up regulation of utility companies," as well as increasing home-heating assistance with a windfall-profit tax on oil companies, LaBolt said.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.hancock25jan25,0,4656523.column">Link

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:20 PM
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18. I'm talking about nuclear power
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 08:24 PM by Marie26
specifically, the $300,000+ dollars that Obama got from Exelon, the nuclear power company that concealed the radioactive leak & endangered his constituents. This defense of "But, Hillary..." is sort of lame IMO. The candidates have to stand or fall on their own records.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:25 AM
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21. “Hillary Clinton Cosponsored The Revised Bill After It Was Revised.” n/t
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:46 AM
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25. But, Hillary....
Not the greatest defense. There's no problem w/a bill that requires nuclear power plants to report leaks; I would expect any Democrat to support such a bill. The problem is whether the bill was weakened in conference revisions, as the NY Times reports, and whether it was weakened as a result of pressure from Obama's backers. The second problem is that Obama voted for the 2005 Energy Bill (which Hillary did not do) - even though this bill contained billions of dollars of subsidies for the nuclear power, oil & gas industry.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:33 AM
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24. Thanks, Prosense
I'd seen the NYT story, and was wondering how accurate it was. .
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gasoline highway Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:41 PM
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26. Thanks n/t
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:53 PM
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27. Doesn't address one of the main damning points from the story.
Why did Obama tell Iowa voters he got something done on the legislation when it had in fact died. The NYT specifically asked him that for the story, and he specifically failed to address it.

And he failed to address it in the above scattershot too. Did he miss it? I don't think so.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:19 AM
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29. And thr trustworthiness of fact-checking from his official campaign site
is about as believable as Halliburton investigating itself and finding nothing wrong.
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