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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:38 PM Original message |
That Certain Inspirational Quality: Obama has it, Clinton doesn't |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. Hillary comes across as a great CEO and Obama as a preacher |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Wasn't MLK a preacher? |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:46 PM Original message |
Comparing Obama to Hilter. Thanks, I knew you wouldnt disappoint! |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
7. LOL n/t |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
12. Oh boy |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Maddening, isn't it. |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
14. Charismatic, Style instead of substance. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. You forgot "Didn't vote for war". |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
105. Not present. Absent. Taking credit for votes he didn't cast. It's a pattern, |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
58. Charismatic, Style & Substance |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
24. Another hateful Shillbot shows their true colors. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Pretty pathetic to think that Clinton has THESE people supporting her |
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MzShellG (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
103. What the fume? Oh, must be desperation in the air. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
42. JFK had it, MLK had it |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
88. Yes and he couldn't bring about change. It took a president to do that. |
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MzShellG (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #88 |
104. That's why Barack Obama is running for president. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Hillary comes across as a cuthroat CEO, and Obama is a Leader |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. A friggin men |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
43. Obama belongs in one of those superchurches, six flags over jesus or somesuch |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Do you think sliming people of faith will win many new votes for Hillary? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. There are more secular voters than religious ones |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. I think he would put a stop to this modern day slavery |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. a leader with heart |
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splat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
32. Hillary a CEO? Where? She's been a lawyer, a partner, and in govt. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
53. She was in their company, especially in the board rooms of Walmart |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
76. I don't want a CEO as president. This country is not a corporation. |
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andyrowe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
3. I agree there is an Inspiration Gap. |
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thevoiceofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
6. We've just had 8 years with a CEO president |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. beautiful. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #6 |
65. Hillary is not a CEO type in the same sense as Bush |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
8. I agree |
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ArkySue (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
10. Success is |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. You dont think Obama has worked hard to get where he did? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Except that's not true |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Thanks. exactly. |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. I imagine graduating magna cum laude from Harvard Law |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Yeah, but its easier if you come from a well to do background. |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. And Obama didn't |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. No I'm agreeing with you. |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. I'm sorry -- I thought it was the other poster responding, lol. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. 'ts OK |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. Thanks Karl! |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
60. When you are passionate about what you do it just looks easy |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
16. No politician has ever inspired a change in politics as usual. They still exist, always will. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Who do you think stokes crises? Uhm..INSPIRATIONAL PEOPLE |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. They help them along but crisis will out no matter what |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. Crisis will what? I think you left some words out. |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
62. will manifest and cause change all by itself |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
18. Why has Hillary gotten more votes than the inspiring Obama if she can't inspire? |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Name and face recognition. Surely not her ability to connect with people. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #21 |
74. Obama has 97% name recognition. That extra 2-3% explains losing by about 300,000 votes? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Hillary has name recognition, not inspiration and she doesn't come off like a CEO |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. She has CEO written all over her. The golden parachute kind. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. if che guevara ran the usa DU would be the first place he would shut down nt |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Nah. He'd be too busy out in the jungles battling fascists. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. She hasn't. She hasn't own a single contested primary. |
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splat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Facts? N.H. was a contest; Hillary's a lawyer, not a CEO |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. And not a particularly inspirational one. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. She tied for delegates in NH |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. That seems to slide uner their radar. |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
37. IYO. For me Hillary is MUCH more inspirational than BHO. |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
38. Personally, I find Hillary very inspiring |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
39. Hilly has basically one issue, choice, and one constituency, |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Whereas Obama has proven ability to form alliances across a wide spectrum |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Exactly. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. From Che Guevara to Ronald Reagan to Oprah |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. As I've said before, thank heaven he's not a puke |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #56 |
75. They all had (have) a similiar ability to communicate |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
49. You're inspirational enough, Hillary.... |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
55. Ernesto, much gratitude for the clarity you bring to these discussions. You so eloquently |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #55 |
73. Thank you very much. And don't ever silence yourself. |
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NastyRiffraff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
61. We all want to have a beer with him! |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
63. Hillary is inspirational in her own unique way |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Here is some of Hillary's inspirational stuff for those who |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #69 |
94. 1995, thats a reach isn't it |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. This particular speech is touted as one to remember by feminists |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #94 |
98. They have to dig back that far for a purpose. Wow. |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
64. "For the times they are a changing." |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:06 AM Response to Reply #64 |
99. This is problematic for entrenched, politically entitled candidates, you see... |
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annie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
66. Gore also didn't exactly "have it", but he was still the better choice for pres. |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
67. Maybe the ballot should give folks a choice between Inspiration & Issues. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. YOu are incorrect! The issues are the same, unfortunately, |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. The issues weren't the same for my candiate, who's no longer running. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #71 |
79. It's the war and what it has done to the economy......... |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Yes you are right. But try to get these Hillars to admit it, like dragging a vampire to direct sun |
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Beausoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
70. As a mature woman, I call bullshit on your entire premise. She most definitely DOES "have it", |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. If you mean the same quality as a sleeping pill, then yes. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Obama's drugs of choice are marijuana and cocaine...he wrote about it in his book. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. You mean when ye was alot younger? Same for most on this forum, I bet. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #70 |
85. You're wasting your time with this one. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I guess you don't bother reading the OPs, do you. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #87 |
93. I never read your screed. nt |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Thanks for admitting then, that you dont know what the fuck you are saying. |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #70 |
106. Right on. |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
77. It's the sizzle, not the steak |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
78. Obama Inspires people to smoke pot and snort cocaine... |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. If so, he's obviously REALLY inspired you..... |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Nope. Unlike his followers I don't believe that illicit drug use sets a good example... |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. Great job failing to address the OP! You Hillars never disappoint on that score! |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:54 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. I did address it: OBAMA **INSPIRES** POT SMOKING AND COCAINE SNORTING... |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:55 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Really? He holds tent revivals and exhorts people to light and snort up? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Your candidate inspires her husband to cheat on her frigid ass. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #81 |
90. Ouch! LOL |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #81 |
96. ! |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:31 AM Response to Reply #81 |
100. ignored. |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
101. Hillary butchered the Iraq thing last night also on MTV |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
102. bu$hit had it too (according to some delusional folks...) |
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Beausoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. Sad but true. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
108. Hillary makes me feel depressed. |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
109. If I wanted to hear a revival meeting |
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