So, Bi-Baby and myself are going to the Obama rally in Boston on Monday

[sniffa]

Both of us have not been Obama fans since the McClurkin incident, plus the recent Rev. Caldwell issue , and we're both still having serious issues about that. That being said, 3 of our favorite home state politicians will be there; Kerry, Kennedy, and Patrick. That alone is enough to be there.

I've been lurching towards Obama in the last few weeks as it became clear it was him and Clinton who would be the last two standing. I've decided as such that I will be voting for him on Tuesday. About a month ago I would never have voted for him, but then I still had my first choices (Kucinich and Dodd) and even my second choices (Edwards and Biden). As a rule of thumb, I won't vote for someone who has dropped out. If anything, if the only option left is someone I won't vote for, I leave it blank.

Bi-Baby is more excited than I am to attend this. I'm excited to attend, but I'm not excited to have to arrive 4 hours or so before it begins (especially since I arise at 5 a.m. for work, and we'll probably be home pretty late). She's excited for the same reason I mentioned above: Kerry, Kennedy and Patrick. She wants to attend for that, but also to give Obama one last chance to give her a reason to vote for him.

The main reason I've been lurching towards him aside from the withdrawals of my main choices, and aside from my disdain for Hillary, is that I truly believe he will be an incredible nominee that will win by a landslide, and will create a super majority. I even said as much as I was railing against him, and even attended his Boston rally with the following sign:



Anyhow, I'm not quite the Obama supporter as some here are, but I am going to vote for him.

That being said, I'm still kinda annoyed that I'm going to be going to bed later than I like. :P

[msongs]

1. take your bibles nt

[sniffa]

2. ok

[Renew Deal]

7. lol

:wtf:

[Bluebear]

3. We all do what he have to do.

I am so thankful that Edwards was still in when I voted in New Hampshire, because I absolutely could not pull the lever for Obama. We *still* are not curses, and I won't forget how he sold us out.

In any case, happy voting :)

[sniffa]

5. Thanks

As one of the most ardent Edwards supporters on DU, that means a lot. :patriot:

[Coexist]

4. did you hear his speech tonight?

I was happy to hear him mention that one of the things this country has to get over is fear of homosexuality.

[bicentennial_baby]

6. Yes, I heard that, and was happy that he mentioned it

:) Still a lot of work for him to do, on that issue though.

[Cha]

11. Wow! Obama said

that in his speech? Which state was that in? I'm so glad he's doing this.

[Tatiana]

68. He was in St. Louis, MO. n/t

[Bluerthanblue]

8. I hope you have a great time at the rally- and I support your

message completely.

I do believe that Obama does not see GLBT people as 'curses', despite the McClurken disaster.

peace~

[Cha]

9. sniffa! I can put a face to your funnyness!

Ah..yeah, tell it to Obama, teach it, sing it! I'm happy for ya'll getting to go see and hear those awesome dudes and you can catch up on your sleep some other time when there's nobody exciting to go see.

Hope you get some pics and shaking Obama's hand would be a nice addition:P

[sniffa]

14. Thank you

Bi-Baby has already met Deval Patrick, shook his hand, and still blushes when she talks about it - as she just did a few minutes ago. :)

I'm excited to see Kerry most as I've never seen him live. If I get to shake any hands I will be thrilled. We're bringing our camera, so we should have some pics hopefully.

As for the sleep, I'm sure I'll get over it. That's my dad in me. He won't do anything pretty much if it will interrupt his sleep. Then again, he gets up at the same time as me, but he also usually ends up to having to work up to 72 hours straight on his job. :wow:
I don't know how he still does it at age 59.

[K Gardner]

10. Sniffa ! Nice to see you finally ! Take pics and notes and report back to us after the

rally. Be safe and take care, have fun :hi:

[Tektonik]

12. I'm not able to vote for Obama and never will be

[WillyT]

13. Don't Know If You Caught This, Or If It Means Anything To You, But...

for what it's worth.

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4358742

:shrug:

Hope you have a great time at the rally! I'm so jealous.

:banghead:

[bicentennial_baby]

19. I did see that, and it gives me some comfort...

That being said, I still have a massive issue with McClurkin and Caldwell, but I'm willing to give him a chance. Monday will decide it for me. :)

[Cha]

21. I'm jealous too..but I'm trying

to be so cool.:7 The only political person's hand I've ever shaken is..ta da..hilary clinton. Waaaay back in May 2001.

[boston bean]

15. dupe

[milkyway]

73. Great picture!

[boston bean]

16. This is news, I knew this long ago, just by reading your posts. nt

[bicentennial_baby]

20. I don't think he can see your posts, so

don't bother. :)

[Bluebear]

22. I'm really sorry you guys are leaning this way.

:(

[sniffa]

25. As opposed to Hillary?

Fuck that. I will never vote for her. That includes the GE.

[bicentennial_baby]

27. What would you rather we do?

Vote for Hillary? Or just not vote at all? I *knew* there would be blowback from my GLBT friends...which is why I was wary of him posting this. Ugh. x(

[sniffa]

28. But then again

Some of our GLBT friends, have totally crossed the line with thinly/obvious racist posts. Fuck that shit. I don't tolerate either or any bigoted shit.

[boston bean]

29. you do when you can make excuses to vote for obama, knowing all you know.

and use hillary as the reason. You should grow some.

[Bluebear]

30. OK, I deserve this?

[sniffa]

33. No, you don't

Which is why you're not on ignore. Some of my former very close friends are now dead to me because they posted some totally offensive, racist shit. You haven't gone that route, and I haven't accused you have such. I'm sorry if this upsets you, but I "think" I spelled out my rationale. If not, I'll try harder.

[Bluebear]

35. Sorry for being honest. Knowing you two, it upsets me, what can I say.

I just can't wash this out of my memory. It truly wounded me.

[bicentennial_baby]

41. Did you even read his OP?

Ask him, I'm in f'n agony over this vote on Tuesday...I still don't know what I'll do on Tuesday. This isn't easy. I do know that I will NOT vote for HRC. I may vote for DK, I may not vote for anyone...Going to a rally isn't a goddamn endorsement, on my part.

[cboy4]

51. Well I don't know whether you care what I think, but I

think you're giving a very fair and honest assessment of your feeling(s) concerning this Obama situation.

Both you and sniffa are fierce supporters of gay issues, and you guys aren't really disappointing me because I consider you my friends.

It would be difficult for me to consider Obama, but I understand your feelings. It's politics and you know how politics can be. And you have to go with your heart.

Friends disagree.

I do know we can all agree that it's a shame Dennis K isn't still around.

[bicentennial_baby]

59. Thank you SO much baby...

I don't know what I will do, I may just vote for DK, I might leave it blank, I don't know. And yes, you know that no matter what, we are f'n FIERCE GLBT rights supporters. It's my #1 issue, hands down. I'm soooo conflicted. And I hate it.

And you *are* our friend, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for being so understanding. :hug:

And I have a big DK for Prez sign in my livingroom...I miss him x(

[cboy4]

66. Of course. No no need to thank me.

*blush*

:hug:

[bicentennial_baby]

67. You're soooo cute when you blush...

M#2... :loveya:

[cboy4]

71. haha

I'll accept the number two position. :loveya:

[bicentennial_baby]

74. You're my only other M....

:*

:loveya:

[sniffa]

62. Thank you

:hug:

This isn't a position I came to on a whim. As I explained in my OP, it was a tortured road I took, but this is where I am. I assumed this year would be like 2004, and DK would be in it forever. :(

When I went to the polls in 2004, there were only 2 Dems that hadn't dropped out: Kerry and Kucinich. I went to the polls most likely voting for Dean, but when I got to the polls, there were a shitload of people holding signs outside. 15+ people were holding Kerry signs, and one lonely person was holding a Kucinich sign. I made my choice then that I'd vote for DK, even though I had fallen in love with Dean when I went to a rally months earlier in Copley Square. I don't regret it one bit, and still anticipated being able to vote for given his staying in the race so long in 2004.

[cboy4]

69. I know it's not a position you took on a whim.

I mean...look at that pic you posted. LOL

You're a good man buddy boy, even if you tortured me about the Red Sox sweeping the Giants last year. x(

But then again, how can I not relate to your evilness? :hug:

[Bluebear]

31. Well ,here is someone who marches with us instead of preaching against us.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4359298&mesg_id=4359298

[bicentennial_baby]

34. There is a whole lot more to this election than that...

And frankly, I find it to be amazing that anyone thinks she will do a goddamn thing for the GLBT community if she is President. Laughable, that is...She will throw us under the bus like all the rest, I have no reason to think otherwise. And all of that aside, *if* I vote for Obama, I'm voting for the lesser of two evils. Got it?

[Bluebear]

37. Yeah I got it.

[bicentennial_baby]

38. No, you apparently don't...

Farewell, friend. Sorry to end it like this. Sigh.

[Bluebear]

40. Oh, OK so now the friendship is over too because I don't have the BAM. Great.

Have a wonderful life.

[bicentennial_baby]

42. That's not what I'm saying, and I'm not a fucking Obama supporter!

You're just being far too high-minded and judgmental. I have no f'n clue who *I* am voting for. No clue.

[AlCzervik]

43. just go and enjoy, i'm still voting for Kucinich in the primary but i enjoyed

the whole experience.

[Bluebear]

44. So spare your temper and the farewell bit, OK?

:hug:

[bicentennial_baby]

45. Huh?

I *knew* this OP was a bad idea, for this very reason...I fucking hate this primary season. HATE it. It's bad news all around...

I respect you, and expect the same. I'm struggling with this shit, and have enough bad feelings about it. x(

:hug:

[Bluebear]

53. Tell me about it.

There is nobody left who I absolutely will feel "great" about voting for. And the whole damn thing was over after Iowa. Momentum. Polls. The media. It all sucks.

[bicentennial_baby]

56. Rotating regional primaries!!

:bounce:

And public financing, all the way :)

[Bluebear]

57. ****HELL YES****

[bicentennial_baby]

60. I'm glad that we agree on that...

:toast:

No hard feelings? :)

[sniffa]

36. Pfft

As I said above..

"As one of the most ardent Edwards supporters on DU, that means a lot."

:eyes:

I really like you, but the stealth Hillary schtick is old.

[Bluebear]

39. It's not stealth Hillary schtick. She's all that's frigging left to me after Edwards is gone, OK?

[Tektonik]

46. vote for Kucinich until the GE's

[sniffa]

24. And I always knew you were a DUer not worth reading.

Now that I've said that, back on ignore you go. :hi:

[boston bean]

32. goodie, I made sniffa's ignore list, do I get an ice cream cone?

I always liked you, for real, but I could see long ago what you were doing. I even called you on it once or twice.

It really is a shame. But this will be my last post about it.

[ruggerson]

48. No, but you get a monthly newsletter

there are so many of us, it was easier that way

[AlCzervik]

17. Go really early, i took my daughter because she really likes him, overall it was

worth going because it was just really cool to be around so many liberals at the same time, it was a positive experience for me, still not getting my vote in the primary but i like him.

[DUyellow]

63. you do not have to answer this... why is he not going to get your vote in the primary?

[AlCzervik]

64. my view are more closely aligned with Kucinich and this is the time where i can vote for him.

[DUyellow]

65. i totally respect Kucinich

[Egnever]

18. Wow

Well I hope he speaks of gay issues enough for you to feel more comfortable with him. I am suprised to see you post this. You have my utmost respect for that.

And no you are not a curse.

[sniffa]

47. Thank you

I'm really disappointed that my thread turned into the flamewar above. :eyes:

[KittyWampus]

23. Ask yourselves this, is the 50+1 strategy of that Rove, Cinton, Gore & Kerry going to produc change?

IMO, it's worth it to try and get a real majority and permanently shift the mindset of those who can be reached.

Some people WILL stop following the hatemongers because they are exhausted and isolated and desperate for change.

[Crunchy Frog]

26. What, are you abandoning Lee Mercer Jr?

[Adelante]

84. That was my question - all three!! nt

[ruggerson]

49. Bi-baby, let him know we will still reserve you seats at the table for Clinton's inaugural

just PM me whether you prefer the Rib Eye or the Halibut.

[bicentennial_baby]

50. We won't be able to attend, sorry...

:eyes:

[ruggerson]

52. Well, we'll put little pictures there then and speak fondly of the two of you

[bicentennial_baby]

58. Please don't, thanks...

:)

[sniffa]

55. Who are you responding to?

Is it one of the self righteous, deluded assholes? :shrug:

[ruggerson]

61. Ah, it's the old, call someone out via a third party trick eh?

how very Joan Crawford of you.

[cooolandrew]

54. PLEASE READ, this may calm your worries, link...

http://aidanmaconachyblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/barack-obama-downside-of-flirting-with.html

[sniffa]

70. It doesn't necessarily calm my worries

I still am so fucking angry at him for it, however, I explained my feelings in my OP and how I came to where I am now.

I also have some other issues which I explained in some posts above, which made my decision much more easy to deal with.

[Coexist]

75. I wish I had a perfect candidate

I can only hope that the devil's pacts they made to get into office, disappear when they win.

No one proved how long you can fuck the little old church ladies (7 years and counting) who elected you, and who pray every night that you will end abortion, than George W.

[Tatiana]

72. Sniffa, vote your heart. And have fun at the rally!

I will post this once again, because everyone makes mistakes and Obama has supported LGBT issues long before he ever was a candidate for president.

Obama Statement on Pride Month
June 01, 2007

CHICAGO , IL-- U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) today released the following statement to commemorate Pride Month.

"Pride Month is a reminder that while we have come a long way since the Stonewall riots in 1969, we still have a lot of work to do."

"Too often, the issue of LGBT rights is exploited by those seeking to divide us. But at its core, this issue is about who we are as Americans. It's about whether this nation is going to live up to its founding promise of equality by treating all its citizens with dignity and respect."

"It's time to turn the page on the bitterness and bigotry that fill so much of today's LGBT rights debate. The rights of all Americans should be protected -- whether it's at work or anyplace else. "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" needs to be repealed because patriotism and a sense of duty should be the key tests for military service, not sexual orientation. Civil unions should give gay couples full rights. And those who commit hate crimes should be punished no matter whether those crimes are committed on account of race, religion, gender identity, or sexual orientation."

"This Pride Month, let's make our founding promise of equality a reality for every American."

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/06/01/obama_statement_on_pride_month.php

[sniffa]

76. I will vote my heart - I always do

It's one of the pleasures I have as being an Indie voter. I will always vote for the candidate that is either my candidate, or is the anti-candidate of the person I will never vote for.

I THINK Obama won't go against my best interests even though he's courting a block that completely fucking offends (or affends) me, but I still wish he'd denounce it. :(

As a "mostly Dem voting" indie, I don't always vote a straight Dem ticket. In fact, in 2006, I didn't vote for most of the Dems on our ticket. The 4 state Dems for our area had all (at that time) supported the gay-marriage ban, and had run unopposed; as such, I wrote in "Asshole" for each of them. The rest of the ticket for my pinko state had no Repubs as well, but quite a few had Green Party candidates, and I voted for every one of them, except for Delahunt, because he's fucking awesome.

[Tatiana]

79. LMAO!

The 4 state Dems for our area had all (at that time) supported the gay-marriage ban, and had run unopposed; as such, I wrote in "Asshole" for each of them.

:rofl:

[sniffa]

80. How else could I have voted?

:hi:

However, after I voted, I found out that one of the 4 had reversed his earlier position against equality, and I felt bad.

That being said, when the issue was finally killed (and what a fucking wonderful day that was!) I think (not sure without researching) all of our state Senators and Representatives had voted for equality on that most awesome vote. :)

As you were the only person to respond to my thread in the Mass. forum, my childhood friend who is now a state Senator, is a big time GLBT supporter, and I'm so f'n happy he's finally in state government.

Rock on Anthony Galluccio! He's done Cambridge proud. :patriot:

[bicentennial_baby]

81. Remember when I texted you about the final vote?

:bounce:

That was one of the best moments of my life, other than our wedding...Fuck yes! I'm so proud of our State. And the sunburn I got protesting in front of the State House was worth it!! :D

[Kat45]

77. Sniffa, where and what time is the rally on Monday?

Turns out I'll be in the city in the afternoon; depending on the when and where, I might be able to make it. I STILL haven't decided who to vote for on Tuesday, and I figure going to the rally might give me a better sense of Obama.

[bicentennial_baby]

78. Hey! Doors open at 8,

Seaport World Trade Center, Silver Line. :)

[ForRusty]

82. Hmm.. Your good looking.

How about I move to Massachusetts, establish residency, and marry you? K?

<3 Teasing, teasing. My personal opinion is that gays should flock to Hillary, but whatever will be will be. :)

[sniffa]

83. Thank you

:blush:

But I obviously disagree. Hillary is a bad choice for almost everyone. :hi:

[Occam Bandage]

85. Hey, you're a handsome guy. Have fun at the rally

and I like the sign.