Clinton: Obama would be Bush-like 'leap of faith'"

[jefferson_dem]

Clinton: Obama would be Bush-like 'leap of faith'
4 hours ago

TUCSON, Arizona (AFP) — Hillary Clinton Saturday likened her Democratic White House rival Barack Obama to President George W. Bush, arguing he was an untested neophyte who would be a "leap of faith" for voters.

The New York senator briefed reporters aboard her "Hill Force One" campaign plane when it was finally airborne from California, following a technical gremlin that forced the pilots to abort take-off half-way down the runway.

"We cannot afford to elect someone as we did with George Bush and then be somewhat surprised by the decisions that are made, the direction that he leads the country," Clinton said en route to a campaign stop here.

The former first lady has previously described Obama as a charismatic politician -- but stressed that voters had regretted their decision to vote for Bush because of his own charm and likability.

Her husband, former president Bill Clinton, said in December that Obama was not ready for the world's most powerful job, suggesting that voters backing the Illinois senator would "roll the dice" on the presidency.

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"I'm not asking voters to take a leap of faith. You know where I stand, you know my record. I've been vetted, I've been tested, probably more than anybody in the country who's in politics right now."

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"We obviously hoped to wrap it up sooner instead of later. But for however long it might take, I'm going to be there contesting in every state, in every place, to get to the nomination," she said.

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[Avalux]

1. OK - now she's really pissing me off. FU Hillary. n/t

[jefferson_dem]

7. Thank you. I didn't want to "go there" but I share your disdain...!

:mad:

[Fredda Weinberg]

17. Disdain for experience, devotion and public service? What nonsense

I fail to see the attraction of a candidate who, just a little while ago, was promising to serve his first term. HRC kept her word and waited out the last election, however the personal tempation.

This personal animus triggered by otherwise attractive characteristics is disturbing.

[jefferson_dem]

21. Hillary can trumpet and "trump up" her own credentials all she wants...

My disdain is directed at her crude comparison of Obama to Chimpy.

[Avalux]

24. Thank you. It's a disgustingly dirty tactic. n/t

[AX10]

37. And Obama's pissing me off too.

FU Obama.
:puke:

[sandnsea]

2. Supported War for Four Years

yeah I know where she stands all right.

There is a very easy way to prevent anyone from being put into harm’s way, that is for Saddam Hussein to disarm. And I have absolutely no belief that he will. I have to say that this is something I’ve followed for more than a decade. If he were serious about disarming, he would have been much more forthcoming. . . . I ended up voting for the resolution after carefully reviewing the information, intelligence that I had available, talking with people whose opinions I trusted, trying to discount the political or other factors that I didn’t believe should be in any way part of this decision.
Hillary addresses Code Pink, March 7, 2003.

Tonight, the President gave Saddam Hussein one last chance to avoid war, and the world hopes that Saddam Hussein will finally hear this ultimatum, understand the severity of those words, and act accordingly. While we wish there were more international support for the effort to disarm Saddam Hussein, at this critical juncture it is important for all of us to come together in support of our troops and pray that, if war does occur, this mission is accomplished swiftly and decisively with minimum loss of life and civilian casualties.
March 17 2003 (Invasion)
We are in a two-front war. We are offense in Iraq and we have to finish the job
March 19 2003

“We must stay the course” in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and asked for more troops to finish the job.
“We have to exert all of our efforts militarily”
November 29, 2003 Hilary visits the troops In Iraq and Afghanistan

I am both a little optimistic and a little pessimistic, but what I'm trying to do is be realistic about where we are and what we need to be successful. We have no option but to stay involved and committed.
Dec 15, 2003 Speech to CFR

"The consensus was the same, from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration," she said. "It was the same intelligence belief that our allies and friends around the world shared.
"But I think that in the case of the administration, they really believed it. They really thought they were right, but they didn't let enough sunlight into their thinking process to really have the kind of debate that needs to take place when a serious decision occurs like that." (They believed it, but her people didn't??)
April 2004 Larry King

It's regrettable that the security needs have increased so much. On the other hand, I think you can look at the country as a whole and see that there are many parts of Iraq that are functioning quite well," Clinton said.
It is time for the President to stop serving up platitudes and present us with a plan for finishing this war with success and honor – not a rigid timetable that terrorists can exploit, but a public plan for winning and concluding the war.
Nov 2005 Letter To Constituents

nor do I think it is smart strategy to set a date certain.
June 2006 TBA

"Now it's time to say the redeployment should start in 90 days or the Congress will revoke authorization for this war,"
Feb 2007

[billbuckhead]

5. Obama has had the same exact record on Iraq since he's been in the senate

:spray:It's like he's copying Hillary. It's the truth Obama supporters don't want to see. Faith is the enemy of truth.

[Windy]

11. He spoke out AGAINST iraq while he was running for senate...

AT the time, the war was very popular. took the guts that HRC didn't have!!!!!!

[aquart]

19. Talk is cheap. Action risks a career.

Obama is ever so good at talk.

[joshcryer]

15. It's amazing isn't it?

He writes an anti-war speech, never has the political pressure to vote for the war, but when he has to vote for continuing to fund the war he does so.

At least he admits he doesn't know what he would've done.

[emilyg]

18. Wise post.

[sandnsea]

22. He's stuck with a war she supported

with her "stay the course" and "finishing the war with success". That's because he has a different MINDSET.

"There is no military solution in Iraq. Only Iraq’s leaders can settle the grievances at the heart of Iraq’s civil war. We must apply pressure on them to act, and our best leverage is reducing our troop presence. And we must also do the hard and sustained diplomatic work in the region on behalf of peace and stability.

In ending the war, we must act with more wisdom than we started it. That is why my plan would maintain sufficient forces in the region to target al Qaeda within Iraq. But we must recognize that al Qaeda is not the primary source of violence in Iraq, and has little support – not from Shia and Kurds who al Qaeda has targeted, or Sunni tribes hostile to foreigners. On the contrary, al Qaeda’s appeal within Iraq is enhanced by our troop presence.

Ending the war will help isolate al Qaeda and give Iraqis the incentive and opportunity to take them out. It will also allow us to direct badly needed resources to Afghanistan. Our troops have fought valiantly there, but Iraq has deprived them of the support they need—and deserve. As a result, parts of Afghanistan are falling into the hands of the Taliban, and a mix of terrorism, drugs, and corruption threatens to overwhelm the country."


http://www.cfr.org/publication/13974/obamas_speech_at_woodrow_wilson_center.html

[joshcryer]

23. If he had courage like the other poster said, he'd vote against funding the war.

That's how we got out of Vietnam.

[sandnsea]

26. He disagrees with that approach

He doesn't trust George Bush to end the war just because we remove funding. That doesn't mean he should be blamed for the war Hillary supported for four years. People who make that claim are just, frankly, stupid.

[momster]

3. In "Get Your Wagon"

a Mormon woman leaves her husband and is auctioned off in front of a bunch of rude miners. "But you don't know what you'll get!" her husband yelps. "No," she replies, "but I know what I've had."

Not sure why this scene came to mind....hmmmm.

[annie1]

4. there are a lot of things i like aboiut his candidicacy, but it's true...

about the leap of faith. i don't know how anyone can deny that.

[Levgreee]

6. It's a leap of faith with any candidate... we can't know Hillary will do great as president nt

[Azathoth]

8. Hillary for President: "Don't Get Your Hopes Up" n/t

[jefferson_dem]

10. Hillary the "Hope Squasher"

n/t

[Azathoth]

33. Hillary for President: Building a bridge to the 20th century n/t

[jefferson_dem]

35. No Hope but...Mullets for Everyone!!!!

Oh Boy!

[KittyWampus]

9. A Leap of Faith is the only thing that brings about profound change. Plodding away at the same old

same old, gets you nowheres.

The 50+1 election strategy.
The fighting for the slimmest of majorities
the divisiveness

it just doesn't bring about change.

It will help keep the economic elite in charge, though.

[Whisp]

12. yah, I know your record.

:puke:

[Armstead]

13. "So go with me. I'm a proven failure."

IWR, spineless Democratic Party, Corporate Dominance, Neo-Con Welfare Reform, Health Care in the Toilet....


Yeah we need more of that kind of proven experience.

[Skip Intro]

14. She's right. Actually, this was a smart move.

It grabs headlines, and brings up legitimate questions about Obama's readiness to be president.

It also calls on those who are thinking about him to consider where a leap of faith got us last time.

The timing is impecable.


And I find it kinda hard to feel sorry for poor Obama after he practically started the campaign calling Hillary "bush/cheney-lite."

[calmblueocean]

27. I'm an Obama supporter, and I totally agree. These are legitimate issues.

I wish she'd pushed them in the debates. The Republicans aren't just going to ignore the issue of his experience, and he needs to demonstrate he can take them on when they attack. If he can't, he shouldn't be our nominee.

You gotta give Hillary credit for being a tough campaigner. I loathe her IWR vote and I don't trust her, but she knows when and how to get her digs in.

[geiger]

45. She was WRONG, in every way, when she supported George Bush to help him start his war

and now she wants to turn the table on Barack. She's becoming disgustingly insidious, and I really think she's so desperate to be the next George-in-Chief, she can't help herself.

[TexasObserver]

16. She's Jealous of his ability to inspire

I've noticed in her last few speeches, she has tried desperately have a voice of vision, but it's not selling. She's technically proficient and right on many issues. But not inspiring, and of dubious leadership capabilities.

[emilyg]

20. I go to church for inspiration.

[TexasObserver]

25. Sorry your life is so uninspired.

[emilyg]

38. Thank you for your concern.

If your life turns out as good as mine - you'll be in good shape.

[TexasObserver]

40. then why are you oozing bitterness?

don't bother answering

I won't be reading any more of your posts. Waste of time.

[emilyg]

41. Not falling under the Obama spell is bitterness.?

[Cha]

28. And hilay would be a boring ol

fearwagging businessasusual blood on the road.

Nice of ol' hilary to bring in her buddy bush..does that mean bill the race card driver will not be hot footin' it around the country w/bush's pappy, if the country decides on more years of hell?

[milkyway]

29. It would be a leap of faith to nominate someone with no executive experience and who is hated by

almost half the country, will fight the same old electoral battles we've been fighting (every four years try to keep the repugs from stealing Florida and Ohio) and doesn't grow the party or redraw the electoral map--to run against McCain, who has much more experience than herself (including five years as a P.O.W.), and is viewed favorably by most swing voters (including the media). Now that's a leap of faith.

[WillyT]

30. Well.. She's Probably Right, In The Fact That If She's The President...

I highly doubt I'll be very surprised about anything she does.

:shrug:

[ursi]

31. And Clinton is a recurring nightmare

[AP]

32. At least it's a leap forward.

[Political Heretic]

34. Clinton trades on Bush's "Climate of Fear" tactics as the lynch-pin of her campaign.

I will not be bullied around by candidates who's best tactic is to try to scare me into not voting my conscience. This entire country was built on risk. Freedom itself is risky. There are no garuntees.

It's time to take a chance for difference and for change, for a fresh start, and frankly, for an END of a twenty-year long two family dynasty that has put either a Bush or a Clinton on every ballot for every presidential election I've been able to vote in and given me the Clintushian Dyanasty since I was ten years old.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

[BlackVelvet04]

36. She's absolutely right.......

Obama doesn't take stands when it comes time to vote. NV and Present don't cut it.

[dailykoff]

39. "I'm going to be there contesting in every state"

Kind of like a pest that won't go away. Memo to Clinton campaign: buh bye! :hi:

[BringBigDogBack]

42. Windbag.

[DUyellow]

43. it is on now. nothing more.... its on

[LadyVT]

44. Whoo hoo! Finally telling it like it is

Lots of similarities between Obama and Bush-- lots of differences, too -- but this likeability, vision, and "change" factor being seen by some as more important than content and demonstrated competence makes me feel like deja vu for 2000. Those were the Bush cornerstones, and look where it got us.

[VotesForWomen]

46. it is an absolutely legitimate point. hope, change, and a free pass from the media got us W. let's

'hope' america doesn't make the same mistake twice.

[mrmx9]

47. Well at least Obama still believes in a place called Hope!

The Clintons just want to wear us down with their cynicism and lack of vision.