Hillary admits on 'This Week': She'll garnish wages to pay for health care

[stevietheman]

She just said in an interview that this is one of the ways to get to universal health care.

Why not a government single-payer system, so we won't be draining the finances of the poor and middle class?

And what about the self-employed who can't afford health insurance? They have no wages to garnish.

I don't think Hillary has the right plan -- it's too insensitive to everyone's financial realities.

[ugdude]

1. Mandates are murder to the poor

Too bad she doesnt consider that.

When you mandate something, you take away personal liberties. I dont think she has thought out healthcare well, or at all.

[OHdem10]

10. The Poor get their Healthcare free. Hilary.s plan supplies

Subsidies fot the poor. I believe Obamas does likewise.

We really should not throw out red herrings.

[neutron]

31. Today's NYT: Obama Lied to Iowa Voters

Claimed he passed legislation that never went through.
It was to force Nuclear power plants to report leaks to
the public.
He accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from Nuclear
Power agents.
He diluted the original bill to accomodate Republicans
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html?ex=1359694800&en=f2cec53f8b5de3bc&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

48. Thanks for posting that, neutron

Just in case anyone misses your other 50 posts with exactly the same text.

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

39. Do you have any idea how poor you have to be to qualify for free health care?

In Arizona where I live I can't make more than $850 per month. If I have a child it's about $1500. That's why there are so many people without healthcare.

[Desertrose]

107. Amen! I'm in AZ too and you can't have anything

or else you don't qualify.

Its very sad that Americans are treated so badly by a govt that wants so much from us.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

121. Nursing care is the worst! You can't have any more than $2000 in assets.

They will spend down your entire nest egg before the state picks up the nursing tab. The average person goes through 90% of his/her personal fortune in their last 2 years of life.

[Desertrose]

122. Its all just insane, isn't it?

What are we supposed to live on?

How are we supposed to live?

Somethings gotta change...for the better!!!

I've been lucky ....so far....

[Yossariant]

16. Wrong. Hillary and Edwards have the best plans. Barack's a gamer.

"Without a mandate, they find, the plan will fall far short of universal coverage. Worse yet, without a mandate health insurance will be much more expensive than it should be for those who do choose to buy it...

Look, the point of a mandate isn’t to dictate how people should live their lives — it’s to prevent some people from gaming the system. Under the Obama plan, healthy people could choose not to buy insurance, then sign up for it if they developed health problems later. This would lead to higher premiums for everyone else. It would reward the irresponsible, while punishing those who did the right thing and bought insurance while they were healthy."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/opinion/07krugman.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

[flyarm]

64. you have that right..100% right!! eom

[sandnsea]

76. Edwards plan did not rely on mandates

It specifically said the mandates would come in at the very end, when everything was working correctly and it was clear no one would be hurt by the cost of the insurance. Obama has said if it's necessary to get the stragglers in, he'd mandate when it was clear it wasn't going to hurt anyone.

[Triana]

111. EXACTLY what Yossariant said. Hillary and Edwards have it right..

..Obama's plan WON'T WORK.

[Nimrod2005]

2. The people in MA agree wiht you!

[Recursion]

97. We're "required" to insure our cars, too

But I've been hit by uninsured drivers.

[DainBramaged]

3. Transcripts please

[stevietheman]

5. The show just aired... look them up on ABC website yourself. n/t

n/t

[DainBramaged]

14. Sorry, not my job.

Unsubstantiated quotes, always fun on a Sunday morning.

[stevietheman]

21. It is substantiated if you watched the show or look up on the website. n/t

n/t

[DainBramaged]

23. More distortion, more bullshit

I am NOT in front of a fucking TV and the transcripts are NOT up, Jesus Christ you fucking prove the comments you seem bent on crucifying her anyway.

[stevietheman]

24. Crucifying her with her own words? Interesting. n/t

n/t

[DainBramaged]

26. We're done, be cryptic with someone else.

Another red X for posterity. Go play with yourself, not me.

[stevietheman]

27. Look - the transcript isn't available yet.

Go ahead and ignore people who tell the truth about your candidate. I obviously cannot provide a transcript that is not available on the ABC site as of yet.

I reported it as I heard it!

[enough already]

85. Take your ball and run home, Hill-bot

[niceypoo]

83. It is typical Obama supporter stuff

Throw out something Hillary, "said," with no proof, then it turns out to be fake down the road. This is what passes for "support" if you are an Obama 'supporter.' We have seen it a thousand times here.

[blogslut]

88. Here you go

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0eV_qZefmRQD8UIUUBG1

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday she might be willing to garnish the wages of workers who refuse to buy health insurance to achieve coverage for all Americans. The New York senator has criticized presidential rival Barack Obama for pushing a health plan that would not require universal coverage. Clinton has not always specified the enforcement measures she would embrace, but when pressed on ABC's "This Week," she said: "I think there are a number of mechanisms" that are possible, including "going after people's wages, automatic enrollment."

[MonkeyFunk]

4. a government single-payer system

isn't free. You still have to pay for it with taxes - which come out of your paycheck.

And she rightly addressed that in the debate the other night - the political reality is that it's not going to happen, so let's move toward addressing the problem in ways that are feasible.

[fenriswolf]

74. except her plan is not a government single payer

we still keep insurance companies in the loop, we still pay premiums, co pays and deductables, now we also get money taken out of our paychecks, just wonderfull.

[MonkeyFunk]

78. Did you read what I wrote?

I know it's not government single-payer. That's not feasible, politically, and to pretend it is is just silly.

Most people who are currently insured are HAPPY with their insurance - they don't want to change it. Clinton is proposing a way to get those who are NOT insured covered. That's politically feasible.

[fenriswolf]

84. yeah except I don't have money for it

but my family is not considered poor. we don't own a house. my son is covered under medicare. so I don't like her plan.

[MonkeyFunk]

89. And she's talked about

subsidies and other measures to make sure it's affordable to everyone.

One way or the other, people are going to pay. Whether it's through regular taxes, payroll taxes, or whatever, it doesn't come for free.

[fenriswolf]

92. right subsidies, what a great way of saying

if you can't pay for it don't worry, it will be taken care of. If its not single payer I want a choice of weather I'm gonna pay for insurance for myself. My son is insured and I am in great health. I'm not gonna give money to health insurance people when I'm in great health just because I'm told I have to. I know that we can have single payer, I'm not gonna go down the road of mandatory health care. Whats next? mandatory dental insurance? mandatory government bonds? At least obama's still gives you a choice.

[MonkeyFunk]

99. should we make social security optional?

[OHdem10]

6. Without Mandates, you cannot bring the costs of Healthcare

down. In all Healthcare presentations over the years, Expert
after expert has proven this. This is the reason SinglePayer
is the best option. The GOP will never stand for single payer

Obama knows he cannot garner one GOP vote if he goes for Mandates.
Watch the GOP in the Senate.

[Tom Rinaldo]

7. Obama will have to do the same to make his plan universal for children

But if we do not have universal coverage, then coverage will be more expensive for those who do have it and pay for it. That's because the hospitals etc will always raise their prices on those who can "afford" health care to subsidize the financial drain of providing emergency medical services to those who have no insurance. State governments will continue to go into the red over increasing medicaid costs also and more people will become poor, potentially losing homes and becoming homeless, if disaster strikes them and they do not have health insurance.

Both Clinton and Obama will provide tax credits and subsidies for those who can't afford insurance. I know Clinton said she would not implement mandatory elements of her plan immediately while other aspects work to help control costs.

I love single payer plans also. For reasons they must feel are necessary, neither Edwards nor Clinton nor Obama offered a pure one.

[ugdude]

9. Key words: FOR CHILDREN

i.e. less expensive than mandating it for everyone.

[Tom Rinaldo]

34. Parents of small children, especially single parents, are often the most strapped financially

And there are a hell of a lot of parents in this country. Either any mandates are an unfair burden or they are the only way to make sure these plans start to cover everyone who needs health insurance - which happens to be everyone other than the truly wealthy.

[LiberalFighter]

41. What happens to parents when they become seriously ill that they

can't care for their children?

[Thrill]

8. I can't support that plan. That would be a burden on a lot of people

I'm sure Barack will pound her on this. Garnish Wages? WOW

[ugdude]

12. I know. She has no idea how to run healthcare

I swear, the poor will go hungry if we let her have her way.

[TexasObserver]

11. Hillary is carrying water for the Insurance Industry

They are her client, not the needy.

[Hart2008]

18. Right. It will be illegal NOT to buy health insurance. n/t

[TexasObserver]

51. It will be a criminal offense, with criminal penalties

It will turn over to the insurance industry a hammer to beat down anyone who they think needs hammering. Your most personal information will be in a data base available to all insurers. Drug testing will be made a mandatory part of the program, and guess what? Testing positive will get probably get you arrested.

It's fascist, not reformist.

Run, don't walk, away from Hillary Care II.

[Hart2008]

73. Ah, but with a woman president it won't be Big Brother. It will be Big Sister! Orwell was wrong! n/t

[BootinUp]

117. Option 2 enroll in a government plan, do you purposely ignore that one?

[Tellurian]

13. Where did Hillary say she would garnish wages?

[ugdude]

15. It was on TV. Check ABCs website

Unbelievable. Your candidate has no idea on how to run healthcare. She will BLEED the lower class.

[DainBramaged]

25. And who is your candidate, McCain? How will he help children's healthcare?

[stevietheman]

35. I seem to recall that Hillary has a major opponent who will not garnish...

wages. And that is Senator Barack Obama.

[Submariner]

19. To Stephanopolus on "This Week"

As one of the means she would use to get our money.

[Clintonista2]

17. How will Obama enforce mandates on children?

[reality based]

20. He'll ask Harry and Louise to make a special appearance. n/t

[Clintonista2]

22. LOL

[flyarm]

67. i knew Louise when i lived in LA she was an actress who had SAG insurance..the people who fell for

those commericals were fucking boobs!

oh and Louise made alot of money off those commercials!!

fly

[ugdude]

28. Hillary has no clue on how to run healthcare

She will drain the poor of their money by mandating healthcare instead of lowering costs.

Then again, she did vote for the bankruptcy bill (then said she was glad it didnt pass, WHY VOTE FOR IT THEN HILLARY?), so its obvious she doesnt care about the poor.

[Name removed]

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[stevietheman]

33. Obama had nothing to do with this interview.

It was an interview between Stephanopoulos and Hillary.

Stephanopoulos asked whether wages would be garnished of those who refuse to buy insurance. She replied that this was one option amongst several she would look at.

This means she is open to garnishing wages. Clear to me... should be clear to anyone.

I am a progressive independent who almost always votes for Democrats.

And I support a Democrat for President: Senator Barack Obama -- some Republican plant I am (how does a "Republican plant" go for years on DU supporting progressive positions as I actually do? Curious.)

[LandOLincoln]

37. Link please? Obama is using an old, old RW smear

against the healthcare plan(s) that Hillary Clinton AND John Edwards support, and George Stephanopoulos is well known to be a turncoat and RW shill, much like Dick Morris.

You're on very, very thin ice here.

[stevietheman]

46. ABC will probably post the transcript shortly.

How can I provide a link that doesn't exist yet?

Until the link appears, perhaps you'll trust that my ears worked when I watched and listened to the program?

[demo dutch]

30. Nonsense, Read this post!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4364012&mesg_id=4364012

[ProSense]

32. Read

this

[Thrill]

36. This will be a big deal if Hillary is the nominee

The Repukes will really pound her on this

[ugdude]

38. exactly. she has a disasterous healthcare plan

[demo dutch]

40. It's about time that repugs get a chance to pound! Hell she's used to it!

[ugdude]

44. hillary has no idea about healthcare and youre cheering the repubs on?

[demo dutch]

52. Universal healthcare is what she's putting forth and it's about time a finalistcandidate is doing so

[WinkyDink]

42. And people who are without jobs?

[enough already]

87. Stop asking logical questions

Can't you see the Hill-bots are in full "What she REALLY meant to say was..." mode?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

43. This is political suicide.

Mandates are a general election loser for us. It's that simple. Some DUers seem to think that she's going to be able to go into these long, wonky explanations of how the mandates work, and that will counter the GOP's attacks. "She's going to force you into Hillarycare!!"

[stevietheman]

45. You got it! The GOP will cream Hillary on this. n/t

n/t

[ugdude]

47. I dont want someone taking money out of my hardearned paycheck

[Uben]

50. Do you have insurance?

What happens if you get cancer or a brain tumor. Who do you expect to pay for it? If you already have insurance, then you will be paying less, if not, you will get more affordable coverage. Sorry, but I do not want to pay for your healthcare because you feel your money is better spent somewhere else. The problem now is too many peoiple don't have coverage, and can't pay when they get ill, leaving the burden on those who do pay for their coverage.

There should be a clause that lets you opt out of the healthcare plan, but denies you any treatment without paying the charges upfront. Is that what you want?

[Cameron27]

53. Thanks

that's exactly why mandates are necessary for true universal health care.

[demo dutch]

54. Yeah so how do you think "Universal Healthcare" works, would you rather have

no healthcare if your employer doesn't offer it?

[Cameron27]

56. You sound less like a progressive, liberal

and more like a RWer/Libertarian.

[paulk]

49. I don't know - people realize that something needs to be done

and are paying attention, unlike last time she tried for universal healthcare.

I don't think the kneejerk politics of the Republicans will work that well this time around.

[ugdude]

57. We need PREVENTATIVE healthcare (i.e. Obamas plan) with lower health insurance costs

Hillary is going to illegaly force me into buying her overpriced health insurance. She has no idea what shes doing.

Unbelievable. The current plan is better than hers. Can you believe it? MANDATES ARE MURDER FOR THE POOR.

[Cameron27]

59. Why don't you take a breath,

all you're doing is spouting RW talking points. Keep your "hard earned paycheck" really safe and go vote for Ron Paul for chrissakes.

[Uben]

60. You can opt out

...and pay for care up front if you like. Which is it? There is no free ride.

[ugdude]

62. I would rather pay for affordabe rather than it being mandatorily put into insurancecompanies pocket

Theyre going to penalise/cost me because I refuse to further fund the FIXED amount that Hillary decrees I must pay to her insurance company buddies.

THEY ARE FUCKING FUNDING HER CAMPAIGN, I doubt prices will be fair. The worst hting will be, we cant force them to lower it. Why? BECAUSE ITS FUCKING MANDATORY.

[Uben]

65. So, you can opt out

You can get your coverage anywhere you want if you do not accept the universal plan. So why are you complaining? There will be no free rides. Pay or die. It's that simple.

[paulk]

70. go spam someone else's post, "dude"

or go hide under a bridge somewhere

jeez...

[flpoljunkie]

58. Why not read what Robert Reich had to say the their health plans?

Sunday, January 13, 2008
Democrats Should Stop Squabbling Over Healthcare Mandates

Democrats should be celebrating. Their three major candidates have put health insurance front and center on the domestic agenda, and with plans that are remarkably similar. They've done so at a time when the public seems readier than ever before to embrace universal health insurance, and readier to trust a Democratic president to put it into effect.

But instead of celebrating, the candidates and left-leaning pundits are squabbling over whether the plans should include so-called mandates that require everyone to purchase health insurance. Talk about self-inflicted wounds. Mandates are a sideshow, and fighting over them risks turning away voters from the main event.

In almost every important respect, all major Democratic plans are the same. They require employers to "play or pay" -- either provide coverage to their employees or contribute to the cost of coverage. They create purchasing pools that will offer insurance to anyone who doesn't get it from an employer. They offer a public heath-insurance option. The plans preserve freedom of choice of doctors. They aim to save money through more preventive care, better management of chronic disease, and standardized information technology. All of them subsidize lower-income families.

Despite some skirmishing over whose subsidies are most generous, the subsidies are about the same. The major Democratic plans would spend nearly an identical amount of money helping low- and middle-income families because they rely on the same source of general revenue, derived from allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire. Given the myriad ways universal health insurance might otherwise be organized -- single payer, employer mandate, health-insurance vouchers, tax credits -- this Democratic consensus is striking. It also highlights the abject failure of Republicans to come up with any coherent plan.

Take a closer look and even the candidates' positions on mandates aren't all that different. John Edwards has proposed to automatically enroll people in health insurance on their tax returns, but has said this mandate won't apply until premiums are affordable. Hillary Clinton says she favors mandates, but isn't sure there should be a penalty for noncompliance. Barack Obama favors an immediate mandate for children, but doesn't include one for adults. He says he's willing to revisit the issue after making health insurance more affordable and enrollment easier, and is also considering an automatic enrollment with an opt-out for those who don't want to be included.

As a practical matter, the difference between Sen. Clinton's and Sen. Obama's approaches come down to timing and sequencing. Mrs. Clinton wants a mandate first, believing that enrolling the younger and healthier will help reduce costs for everyone else. Mr. Obama thinks forcing people to buy health insurance before it's affordable isn't realistic. He wants to lower health costs first, and is willing to consider a mandate only if necessary.

This fight is little more than a distraction, given that a mandate would matter only to a tiny portion of Americans. All major Democratic candidates and virtually all experts agree that the combination of purchasing pools, subsidies, easy enrollment and mandatory coverage of children will cover a large majority of those who currently lack insurance -- even without a mandate that adults purchase it. A big chunk of the remainder are undocumented immigrants, who aren't covered by any of the plans.

Who's left? Only around 3% of the population. So the question they're really battling over is whether it's better to require this 3% to buy insurance, or lure them into buying it with low rates and subsidies.

The answer depends on who's in this 3%. Mrs. Clinton thinks they're mostly younger and healthier than the general population so they should be required to buy health insurance. That way, they'll bring costs down for everyone else because their payments will subsidize the others.

Mr. Obama thinks a lot of them are people who won't be able to afford even the subsidized premiums, so they'd either ignore a mandate or wouldn't be able to pay for it. He says if his plan gets 97% coverage without a mandate and he finds that the remaining 3% are mostly young and healthy, he'll go along with a mandate.

Who's correct? It's hard to know. So far, the Massachusetts experiment suggests Mr. Obama. Massachusetts is the only state to require that every resident purchase health insurance. The penalty for failing to do so could reach $4,000 next year, but the state has already exempted almost 20% of its current uninsured from the requirement. Massachusetts is concerned they can't afford a policy, even with subsidies similar to those in all the Democratic plans. So far, about 50% of Massachusetts's uninsured have complied with the mandate.

A mandate may not make much difference anyway. Columbia University professor Sherry Glied and her colleagues investigated health-insurance mandates now in place in Switzerland and the Netherlands. They report in the November-December issue of Health Affairs that mandates can, but don't always, increase coverage. Whether they do depends on the cost of complying with them and the penalties for not doing so. Overall, they found, the effects of mandates largely reinforced existing high levels of coverage. Switzerland now enjoys near-universal coverage, but this reflects only a tiny increase over the rate of coverage before it was mandated, when over 98% of population had mostly voluntary coverage.

It's expected that gloves will come off in the last months of a primary campaign. But by warring over mandates, Democrats are leading with their chins. It's the least important aspect of what they're offering. It's also, to many Americans, the least attractive because it conjures up a big government bullying people into doing what they'd rather not do.

The public is ready for universal health insurance, but getting any plan through Congress will still be tricky. To get it enacted after January 2009, Democrats need to start building a movement in support of the big and important reforms universal health insurance requires -- and on which they happen to agree.

[flyarm]

61. well my wages are garnished when people with no insurance go to the hospital with no insurance!

it is happening already..what part do some of you not get..when i go to the hospital with full insurance i am charged a flat fee for people who don't have insurance..what part of that don't people get?

when i go with a migraine to the emergency room for a much needed shot ..when my migraine is out of control in the middle of the night ..i am charged $2,100.00 ( my inusrance is charged)

$150.00 is for my care..the rest is for people who check into the hospital with no insurance!

and that comes out of my lifetime coverage that is a capped amount.

what part of this do people just not understand??????????

so i am in essence having my insurace care garnished for people who don't have insurance..

why do i have to pay for people who don't have insurance?

why is my insurance being garnished?????????

fly


Edwards and Hillary's plans are the best..Obama's plan is a fucking joke! ..but the joke is on those who have insurance and now and under his plan will continue to have their health insurance hijacked! ..i call it garnished when i am being charged for someone else's care..and my cap is being lowered because i am being gouged to pay for others who don't have insurance..

oh and i pay $2,000 a month and our employer pays 2/3's..we only are paying 1/3 at $2,000. a month.

[Cameron27]

66. Exactly

"I call it garnished when i am being charged for someone else's care..and my cap is being lowered because i am being gouged to pay for others who don't have insurance.."

[flyarm]

68. i don't expect the Obama Ipod kids to understand that , since their mom's and dads are still

paying for their insurance..

that is why Obama needs these kids..because they don't understand!!

fly

[Cameron27]

69. I don't know what the hell's going on here,

but they're using the same talking points that the RWers have always used against the concept of universal healthcare.

[flyarm]

77. that is why Obama has pandered to the young..they have no history to draw upon!! or understanding

of what we have already experienced..that is why they buy into all the rhetoric and bullshit !!

they are the IPOD KIDS..NO HISTORY OF ANYTHING!! and very little understanding of the costs..

fly

[tuvor]

63. She "admitted" no such thing assuming your recollection is accurate.

You're telling us "She just said...this is one of the ways to get universal health care."

From that, you cannot conclude that she will garnish wages.

I expect better from DUers, and also from DUers who'd recommend posts like this one.

[OhioChick]

71. Garnish Wages to Pay For Heath Care????

Does she realize that people are losing their jobs, homes and some cannot even afford to put food on the table???

[flyarm]

79. hellloooooooo she has said no such thing..can any of you do any research??????

are you all such big suckers for the Obama bullshit???????????

wake the fuck up!

eom

[stevietheman]

98. A lot of us heard it with our own ears watching 'This Week' this morning.

Hillary said that garnishing wages is an option!!!!

[tuvor]

103. That is not what you claimed when you started this thread.

[stevietheman]

115. I don't follow: I've not said any inconsistent with the OP. n/t

n/t

[tuvor]

118. Begging to differ.

"Hillary admits...She'll garnish wages" is quite a different thing from "Hillary said that garnishing wages is an option".

[flyarm]

82. i am already garnished for people withb no insurance and so is anyone with insurance!

what part of that are people so damn stupid about?

fly

[Desertrose]

72. IF I COULD AFFORD IT...I'D ALREADY BE PAYING!

I am self employed...how will that work, pray tell??



What we really need is a government single-pay system.

[flyarm]

80. againnnnnnnnn she has said no such thing! ..helllooooooooo..eom

[blogslut]

90. Really?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0eV_qZefmRQD8UIUUBG1

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday she might be willing to garnish the wages of workers who refuse to buy health insurance to achieve coverage for all Americans. The New York senator has criticized presidential rival Barack Obama for pushing a health plan that would not require universal coverage. Clinton has not always specified the enforcement measures she would embrace, but when pressed on ABC's "This Week," she said: "I think there are a number of mechanisms" that are possible, including "going after people's wages, automatic enrollment."

[flyarm]

94. helloooo those of us with insurance are already being garnished because of people with no insurance.

what part of that do you not understand..

and even according to what you just posted she did not say she was going to garnish workers who refused to pay for the insurance she said...according to what you posted......she
might be
willing to garnish


so do you think..i...me ... who pays for insurance and am being charged exorbitant rates at the hospital should have to pay for... say drug addicts... who go to the hospital who are od'ing..and the cap on my insurance is being eat up because that person doesn't think they should pay for a national health care system? even though that person is working...and then when i need surgery for SAY A LIFE SAVING EVENT..my insurance has been garnished basically by dead beats???????

same thing dear..same damn thing..and i am being charged for people who do not have insurance so i am already being garnished and have been for a very long time!

fly

[blogslut]

100. Hey, I was just pointing out that she did say such a thing

And frankly, as a self-employed person I don't see how Clinton's plan helps me at all. I pay my own payroll taxes.

So tell me, how will Clinton's plan work for the self-employed? How will enforcement of this plan work for the approximately 10 million of us who are their own boss?

[flyarm]

108. no she didn't she said she "might" be willing to..big difference than what you are saying!! eom

[blogslut]

120. you didn't answer my other question

How will Clinton's plan work for the self-employed?

[demo dutch]

110. Hey might as well throw out Social Security & Medicare then too!

[Desertrose]

102. Why don't you get angry at the companies profiting instead

of directing that anger at people who can't afford healthcare.

Not everyone who can't afford it is a druggie or a deadbeat.

FYI- I just don't go to a doctor or ER and I pay for whatever medical I need myself. So far I have been very blessed to be able to do that. Our state also has medical help. Tell me, how does that affect your insurance costs?

The problem is that our govt can afford to spend trillions on a war billions in aid to other countries and yet can't manage to have healthcare for its own people?!!!

Damn,I am pissed at the ones who deserve it...not the people who get lost in the cracks in this insane system.

[flyarm]

112. wow i am amazed at the ignorance here..i am mad at the companies..that is why i wanted

Edwards plan..and not obama's bullshit plan..obama's plan is no plan but for few uninsured children...it does nothing to stop my insurance and my caps from being garnished by adults with no insurance..you do understand insurance lifetime caps don't you???

if you don't you need to learn about it pronto because you are having smoke blown up your ass by Obama's plan!

no i guess you don't..and do you understand when i go to the hospital like i did two weeks ago for surgery my inurance was charged $2,500. extra not for my care but for people with no insurance..yes i was charged and my ilifetime insurance cap was charged ..or garnished for those adults with no damn insurance..that means ..if you have so little understanding ..that if i have a life threatening health problem my insurance has been garnished asnd i get less medical care under my insurance because i was paying for those without insurance..even though i have paid dearly for my insurance for my lifetime!

wake the fuck up!

you are being garnished right this damn minute if you have health insurance..just because you do not understand it.. does not make it dissappear..or make it not so!

again wake the fuck up!

fly

[Desertrose]

119. Excuse me. I repeat. I have NO insurance.

I cannot afford it and I am as pissed as you.

At least you can get the care you need. I am forced to do without.

Our healthcare is a farce. Even if you have it, there is no guarantee that it will cover you.

I am sorry your lifetime cap is dwindling.That sucks, it does, but what about some who have already blown right by that and still have that life threatening illness??

I have a good friend whose wife has been battling cancer for 3+ years and their insurance cut them off and screwed them over but good. He's lost his business and now they are losing their home and she still needs more than $15,000 of meds a MONTH.They have to gt down to NOTHING before state aid will kick in.


Please do not assume I do not understand and I don't need your anger. We are all angry and with damn good reason. But its the system,not the people that're fucked up.

I would hope that by you have seen the movie, SICKO. There is NO REASON that this country cannot provide healthcare- in a good way- for every citizen. NO REASON AT ALL. Kucinich had the answer- single payer universal healthcare- but because it stepped on the toes of the profit system- he was shut out.... and then Edwards was.

Yeah, I'm angry too. You tell me to wake up, but honey, I am already awake...and I don't like it one damn bit.

[NC_Nurse]

75. Single payer has to be paid for too.

They will call it payroll taxes instead of garnishing. It will be progressive either way.
Did you expect to be given free healthcare and not pay taxes for it?

Where do people get that idea? Do you think the rich are going to agree to pay for the rest of us?
Good luck.

[leftofthedial]

81. why not single payer?

because the insurance lobbyists from whom clinton has taken bribes, er, large campaign donations, didn't write her position statement that way.

[Recursion]

86. Aaargh! That's exactly the wrong direction!

We need to start decoupling health care access from employment; this couples it more tightly.

Unemployed people and self-employed people need health care.

Also, our industries and businesses are being weighed down because they're being stuck with the cost of their employees' health care. Why are Japanese cars cheaper than American cars? Because Toyota doesn't have to pay for its workers' health care, and Ford does.

[enough already]

91. But the insurance companies won't like that! And they gave a shitload to Hillary!

Sorry, but that's just too much change for us all to handle.

[Deja Q]

93. As long as she doesn't say anything about offshoring, she'll win people over.

Or, at least, not explain how to grow jobs HERE.

Again, I have no qualms against benefiting other people. But America is clearly losing out in the process. It is never too late to begin again, but we need leadership. Can Hillary - or any candidate, I won't be sexist nor racist - come out with just enough coherent details?

[Kitsune]

95. I know people say this kind of thing all the time, but....

...I seriously think that if Hillary is elected and tries to cram this bullshit down America's throat, I am going to have to leave this country. I will not live in a country where the insurance companies can not only price-gouge, but garnish your fucking wages if you refuse to be gouged.

[demo dutch]

104. And you'll move to where.. France? Honey... you'll pay either way

Anywhere where there is universal health care, and yes even in France, it comes out of your paycheck the form of tax. Her proposal addresses price-gouging. You should read up on the facts!

[Triana]

113. Exactamundo...

...that's how NATIONAL HEALTHCARE WORKS. And in fact, that's the ONLY way it works!

HILLARY (and Edwards) are right on this.

It has to be mandatory. There are gov't subsidies for the poor/unemployed but everyone has to pay into the system.

[Kitsune]

114. At least in France it doesn't go to some insurance CEO's $1.6 billion salary

Profit has no place in healthcare.

[demo dutch]

105. self delete

[1corona4u]

96. First of all..

please provide the link for where she SAID she WOULD garnish wages. Secondly, if you are self employed, you should be paying YOURSELF, hence, you do have wages. I file quarterly. I don't believe for a second that she said she would do that, but that it was an OPTION. To quote you; 'one of the ways'. John Edwards said it too.

In my opinion, Hillary has the most flexible plan out there. You can even keep your current plan if you want.

[demo dutch]

101. In an Interview ????? LINK PLEASE!!!!

[blogslut]

106. The interview is on the ABC site

and here is and AP link:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0eV_qZefmRQD8UIUUBG1

[1corona4u]

109. Also;

perhaps you're playing up the word 'garnish' to much. I don't see any difference in the way we are paying for SS, and medicare right now. Those are deducted from our pay, so consider it deducted, not garnished.

[BootinUp]

116. She also admitted that Obama is a snake for pretending his plan

wont do the same to cover children.