After Obama is done attacking Hillarys Healthcare Plan from the RIGHT

[BootinUp]

Will we EVER have Universal Healthcare in this country?




He says his plan makes it affordable for everyone, then he says he doesn't want people who cant afford it to have to enroll.

Please read that over and over until you see the obvious double speak.




With this kind of double speak, and RW thinking he should make Republicans and all who oppose universal healthcare proud to support him.

[AX10]

1. This has been the core of Obama's campaign.

He is playing the middle too much. Too much nice talk, too much indecisiveness,
to many platitudes, not enough substance.

[rodeodance]

7. End result of that is that OBAMA has not been held accoutable by the media.

[sandnsea]

2. It's real world family finances

He wants to make sure the costs are completely under control and all the subsidies are in place so that we can see who falls between the cracks and fix those problems instead of accidentally throwing people into bankruptcy.

Real median income working people understand his approach perfectly.

[BootinUp]

13. So you are saying that Hillarys plan

would not have a transition period?

Obamas transition plan is not to worry about whether we ever transition.

[sandnsea]

16. She says it's based on mandates

Mandates are what drive the costs down. Those are her words. You can't concoct your version of her plan because you see that her plan actually does suck.

[BootinUp]

18. A transition is a transition whether under Hillarys guidance or Obamas

the only difference is we dont know when Obama intends to propose we start.

[sandnsea]

20. She is proposing mandates, not a transitional plan

We also know when she proposes to start - in her second term. Obama has promised it by the end of his first term.

[BootinUp]

21. How can he promise something he wont run on?

[sandnsea]

22. A health insurance plan for everyone??

He is running on a plan for everyone. Just because Hillary lies doesn't mean his health care plan disappears.

[BootinUp]

23. This is about a plan that works by spreading the cost to everyone.

Obama talks about getting there just not yet. He also mandates coverage for children. He is the one using half truths here.

[sandnsea]

27. But mandates don't do that

so her plan is based on false promises.

Yes his plan mandates coverage for children, but he doesn't pretend that it's a magic wand that will suddenly solve all the problems the way Hillary does.

You want to talk about the real empty suit fairy tale, it's Hillary and all her bullshit promises, just like Bill Clinton's ended up being. If it weren't for Kennedy's SCHIP program, they wouldn't have much of a legacy to point to at all.

[BootinUp]

28. Obama half mandates: Good, Hillary mandates: Bad

You are a real piece of work, lol.

[sandnsea]

30. It's truth vs lies

The mandates do not provide universal coverage and Obama isn't saying they will. She is lying to you when she says they will, and she's too smart to know that she isn't lying. Every time she says mandates = universal health care, she's LYING right to your face. Do you get it? A completely concocted political talking point to bullshit you into thinking you're going to get something that you're not.

[maximusveritas]

3. This is actually LW thinking and it places people over ideology

It's the same argument the unions and other liberal groups made in California.

Clinton's so obsessed with this idea of universal health care that she doesn't take the time to think about how her plan will affect the people hurting the most.

There is no double speak in Obama's argument. We need to make sure that it's affordable before we force people to buy it.

[debbierlus]

4. Obama is a corporatist. Disheartening the 'progressives' eat it up

Fools.

[PassingFair]

5. Your dish is missing something......

garnish, perhaps?

[BootinUp]

9. Obama's has that, he prefers to garnish Healthcare. nt

[Bitwit1234]

6. You can't say he is attacking anybody

they don't allow it.

[still_one]

8. It will be a moot point if we don't win the general election /nt

[killbotfactory]

10. Since when is forcing people to buy private insurance a left-wing idea?

[BootinUp]

11. Option 2 there is a government plan, you will not be forced to buy private insurance.

[killbotfactory]

17. It won't be open to everybody

Just those that fall below a certain income level. The people along the margins, the ones that would be penalized for not buying health insurance, are the ones that will be screwed.

[BootinUp]

19. I just started a thread to refute that incorrect assertion

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4367715

[mrreowwr_kittty]

12. After Hillary Clinton loses the general election due to this dumbass mandate idea

Will we EVER have universal healthcare?

Not any time soon.

[BootinUp]

25. We will suddenly be informed in the GE that Obama has mandates too!

nice try though.

This is a core democratic principle and its time we do this.

[Alexander]

29. Absurd speculation. Obama's plan doesn't mandate coverage.

What's the matter? Don't like the poll numbers you've been seeing? You guys are pretty desperate.

[BootinUp]

33. Do I have to go get it for you from his website? Grow up. nt

[boston bean]

31. he does have mandates for children. I wonder who's pay will be garnished

for them getting healthcare.

[paulk]

14. it's like the Obama supporters are channeling Harry and Louise

I'm sure that Obama's advisors warned him that requiring mandates would hurt him in the GE. So he pandered to the right with his health plan. At least Edwards and Clinton have had the courage to tell the truth.

[sandnsea]

32. I'm not "the right"

And I know mandates will not provide universal health care. It's a big fat lie.

Edwards knew it too, which is why his plan called for mandates AFTER all the other policies had been implemented. He just didn't have the integrity to correct Krugman on the point when Krugman got it wrong.

Child support mandates don't guarantee compliance. Auto insurance mandates don't guarantee 100% coverage. Neither will health insurance mandates. Every time she says it will, she's lying right to your face because she's smart enough to know better. I happen to think you're smart enough to know it's a big steaming pile too.

[PurityOfEssence]

15. They're both lefter and righter than the other, and they'll dance the corporatist minuet to prove it

It's the curse of centrists to be attacked from both sides, but it IS awfully novel to see two centrists attack each other from both sides at the same time, while fending off attacks with claims of being more progressive yet more "experienced" and sensible (read: conservative) at the same time.

The sheer illogic of the whole series of thrusts and parries boggles the mind so much that it's probably best that the whole thing be decided this Tuesday; this series of scuffles of artifice make us seem like more of a two-faced floorshow than a coherent philosophy.

[Citizen Kang]

24. Hillary's plan...

garnish my wages and mandate me to have health insurance and give my money to the Big Insurance and Big Pharma industries who have been donating millions and millions to her.

Who is to the Right of who?


Obama is right to attack .

[madrchsod]

26. neither candidate is for "universal "health care

they insure the insurance companies so they can still screw us over.

[BootinUp]

34. A government plan is a choice for those of us who dont want to use private insurance

my thread on it is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4367715