Obama supporters, will you sit out the election if Hillary is our nominee?

[DainBramaged]

Let's get this out in the open. And what about if she selects him as VP? Will you give the election to McCain because she isn't ideologically pure enough.

How about some honesty for once.

[rox63]

1. No - If Hillary is the nominee, I will vote for her in November

How about Hillary supporters? Will they vote for Obama if he is the nominee?

[ronnykmarshall]

90. Yes and proud to do it.

[Fridays Child]

2. Nope. I'll vote for her.

She's my second choice, after all. ;)

[elizm]

3. If the Democrats nominate Hillary THEY will give the election to McCain...

You can't be blaming that on Obama supporters. That's one the Democrats will have to live with.

[DainBramaged]

9. I'll check that off to "non-answer", thanks

[Tellurian]

69. She's always "present" but not counted...

[still_one]

24. I tend to agree with you, but I will still vote for Clinton if she gets the nomination /nt

[patrice]

29. Wrong.

Hillary/Obama.

[conservdem]

89. I think you are probably correct.. I am one that would probably vote for

McCain if she is the other choice.

[Critters2]

122. They? Don't you mean "we"? Or are you not a Dem? nt

[BklynChick]

4. i won't vote for her. but i'm, in ny where it won't matter in the GE

[DainBramaged]

18. Every vote counts, is spite of your answer

[sfam]

50. Every vote DOES NOT count. This is the fundemental problem...

If you're in a state like New York, your vote for president truly and honestly DOES NOT COUNT. People who live there know this.

Regardless of who you support in Texas, your vote for president truly and honestly DOES NOT COUNT. People who live there know this. Same with California, same with Wyoming, etc.

As long as we continue with the electoral college and all that this implies, including state party structures, gerrymandering and all the rest, we really don't have representative democracy. Try to convince yourself of a fairy tale if you like, but its just that - a fairy tale.

Bottom line, we need a majority vote election, or a VERY large segment of the population will continue to know that truly and honestly their vote simply doesn't matter.

This, IMHO is far more important than whether we choose Obama or Clinton.

[still_one]

27. Funny isn't it, that is what people were saying about Nader in 2000

it won't matter if I vote for him

[BklynChick]

35. but NYS always goes Democratic

[DainBramaged]

52. Over 3,000,000 weren't wrong, Bush won thanks to them

Imagine if they had voted for Gore in Tennessee instead?

[THUNDER HANDS]

5. of course I'll vote for her

not that it'll matter, she'll win NY anyway.

[Onlooker]

6. I'll vote for her absolutely n/t

[VolcanoJen]

7. Of course not.

What a ludicrous question. This is a primary and I'm going to support Obama, but come the convention in late August, a full seven months from now, I'm pretty sure we're going to all be able to come together and support the actual nominee.

[DainBramaged]

15. WHY IS IT LUDICROUS?????

So much hatred is being spewed against her here it is as valid as any other fucking question or post.

[Occam Bandage]

17. Because we're all Democrats. You'll note that nobody has said they wouldn't vote for her.

[VolcanoJen]

19. It's ludicrous because it is a PRIMARY

Of course we're at each other's throats right now. Do you honestly believe this kind of animosity is going to linger for the next seven months?

[DainBramaged]

26. You bet it is

It has continued for some 6 months now

[VolcanoJen]

33. In 2004, we were at each other's throats, too.

The Deaniacs hated the Clarkies. The Edwards crowd (me, back then) couldn't freaking believe Kerry was running away with the thing.

We sputtered and spewed for a few more days... a week or two at most. And then by the time it was spring, we were back to uniting against Bush and taking back the White House. By summer Kerry put Edwards on the ticket. Early fall we had our convention, and what a convention it was.

McCain is going to throw so much crap at our eventual nominee that I really think we'll jump to the nominee's defense, in unison.

[DainBramaged]

59. NOTHING like the hatred being spewed now,not even close.

[VolcanoJen]

64. I don't agree.

I was a mod during the 2004 primaries. I remember it was just as vicious then, only the primary season was much shorter.

I think it feels more intense because it's lasting much longer this time around.

[DainBramaged]

68. I hate it when it lasts so long

It gets tedious. I always had this grand vision of DU, we'd plan our strategy for undermining the Reich wing, meet regularly outside of du, go to rallies, protest.

Then I realized the extent of that was limited to how many people I could fit on my ignore list because I am so disilusionedat the whole prcess.

We will NEVER be politicaly powerful again until we stop joing in cicular firing squads.

[VolcanoJen]

70. Well, I couldn't agree with you more on that.

:hug:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

134. I think the sniping between the Dean supporters and everyone was worse.

n/t

[Neecy]

62. Gee, I guess you're right DB

Because when I see this kind of language thrown at another Democrat:

So much hatred is being spewed against her here it is as valid as any other fucking question or post

then I guess the 'hatred being spewed' this time might indeed be a little worse than 2004.

[chascarrillo]

8. Absolutely not. I'd be damn proud to vote for Clinton.

[Occam Bandage]

10. No. Of course not.

[Neecy]

11. no

[marlakay]

12. probably not but I really dislike her

won't help campaign at all and just like bush will turn off tv when she is on...

[DainBramaged]

23. that's sad, ANY Dem is better than any Republican, ANY Dem

[CrispyQ]

13. I'm not fond of either one of them but I'll vote for whoever the dem candidate is come the GE.

SCOTUS

No matter how much you dislike the dem nominee, their nominations for SCOTUS will not be nearly as odious as any of the repubs.

[MadBadger]

14. I'll vote for her.

[patrice]

16. They're already calling him pResident Obama. nt

[still_one]

20. No, I will vote for Clinton if she is the nominee, but I will tell you it did cross

my mind sitting it out when reading some of the posts on DU which were pretty disgusting

The bottom line is I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is

[gasoline highway]

21. I'll vote Hillary without a second thought n/t

[SKKY]

22. Yes, I would support her.

[NC_Nurse]

25. "How about some honesty for once." ???

Gee, that seems a bit hostile, don't you think?

I'll vote for Hillary if she get the nom. Sheesh.

[DainBramaged]

31. Not as hostile as the Obama supporters are

Notice any of them who are spamming the universe as we speak in this thread?? They won't answer.

[rox63]

46. Most Obama supporters will vote for the Dem nominee, even if it is Hillary

Will Hillary supporters vote for Obama if he is the nominee?

[emilyg]

54. Most will.

[thoughtcrime1984]

106. I'll vote for her if need be.

But I've seen plenty of Clinton supporters say they wouldn't vote for Obama, and just as much bile coming from those supporters as from some Obama and Edwards supporters. Thank goodness for the ignore button!

[wheresthemind]

28. I will absolutely vote for Hillary!

I don't think Obama's comments have anything to do with ideology. I think he is getting at the new people and the republicans that he is bringing into the process and the fact that some of them may simply not be inspired enough to come out for Hillary.

I am 21 years old and in college. I can say that a lot of my peers who are not uber-political or hardcore democrats may not turnout for Hillary, and those on the fence would be much more likely to vote for McCain. I will do everything I can do to change their mind, but its an uphill battle with Hillary, with Obama its a sinch.

She will still win the youth vote, she will still see an increase in youth turnout, it just won't be on the scale that it would be for Obama.

[sandnsea]

30. WE aren't the problem

The Independents and moderate Republicans are the problem.

[hedgehog]

44. Agreed - in fact I scanned this thread to see if someone had already brought up this point.

If we want to beat the Republicans in the fall, we've got to get people to the polls who've been sitting at home for recent elections. I think they'll come out for Obama, but not for Hillary.

[populistdriven]

57. YEP!!! nt

[elizm]

45. Exactly....and I would include young and new voters as well...

I think a lot of the new voters that Obama has brought into the process would likely sit it out.

[Whisp]

32. is this a sly way to cull the unbelievers from this site?

:rofl:
I'm not biting. especially if it's in a poll - admin can read polls as to who voted for what and ban people with the 'wrong answers' even if they were in jest. gives me a bit of a creepy feeling.

[DainBramaged]

43. This isn't Free Republic, the haters have a voice here they have no where else

And by haters I mean anyone who is derisive towards any of our candidates.

Don't bite you gave the answer anyway.

[Nailzberg]

34. I won't actively campaign for her, but I will still vote.

I'll be focusing my efforts on congressional seats if she's the nominee. I will vote for her, but I won't expend my money and time.

[rufus dog]

36. Only if I really have to!

That would be CA was in question then the answer would be yes.

I think you are missing the bigger point and that is those people who would just ignore the election, you are unlikeley to find them here at DU.

[Faygo Kid]

37. Yeah, that was real nice - "How about some honesty for once."

Go to hell, DainBramaged - you don't get a response after a crap statement like that.

[DainBramaged]

47. thanks, let me get on the escelator to hell

I have a tough time walking through the bullshit here anyway :rofl:

[Cha]

38. None of your business..braindamaged..

oh, I'm sorry, dainbr..whatever.

[WillyT]

39. Of Course I'll Vote For Her, But I'll Need One Of These...

Or maybe...



:rofl::evilgrin::rofl:

But yeah... I'll vote for her if it comes to that.

:banghead:

[Dawgs]

40. I will not sit out the election. I will vote for as many Democrats as possible.

And, probably even Hillary. I don't think she will win, but I will probably vote for her.

[Blue-Jay]

41. No. That would be stupid.

[KittyWampus]

42. yes, I've the luxury being in NY which has ZERO chance of voting red. Any other state

and I'd get out to vote for her.

And if I was in a swing state, I'd suck it up and fight like hell for her.

Like I said, it's purely a luxury since I'm in solidly blue territory. It'd be an indulgence, on my part.

[ShortnFiery]

48. Yes. I honestly believe that The Clintonian DLC has taken our party too far to the political right.

:thumbsdown:

[paulk]

93. and you even live in a red state where we have a chance

conditional "we", of course.

[ShortnFiery]

128. If Obama were OUR nominee, we could turn VA *blue* in the GE for President.

We were 45% for Kerry ... John Kerry's supporting OBAMA! :thumbsup:

[ronnykmarshall]

97. Got any more of the shitty pictures of Hillary ...

from those right wing website you like so much?

[ShortnFiery]

127. What Lovely tactics, for people who support such a lovely (and duplicitous) candidate.

:eyes:

[Kahuna]

49. No. Now that Nader is running...

I plan to vote for Hillary anyway.

[polichick]

51. Hell no - I'd vote for Hillary...

The goal is to get the insane criminal Republicans out of the WH.

[Yavapai]

53. Hell no!!! I will vote for McCain first!

At least he owns up to be a republican...

[sfam]

63. I'm honestly undecided at that point, but leaning toward McCain. My big issue is...

The national debt, after the notion of bringing our country back together, that is. I really do believe our country's best days are behind us unless we find some way to reign this stuff in. So McCain is a good choice to address this.

I really don't see that much difference on the Iraq situation, regardless of who wins (I am furious at democrats who voted for the war, regardless whether or not they now have apologized for it or not - this has been one of the worst disasters ever, and YES, this clearly points to HORRID judgment - assuming it was judgment and not triangulation). Lets face it, the Army is virtually broken. McCain may want to keep the country in Iraq for 100 years, but he just doesn't have the money or soldiers to do this.

Integrity matters to me, and I have a tough time with Hillary on this point. But I may still vote for her based on health care, and some other economic issues. But she would really have to sell me on lowering the national debt and stopping the earmarks.

EDIT: And no, I don't always vote the party line. I vote for John Warner, for instance as a VA Senator (ever since he effectively killed Ollie North's chances). I am better characterized as a left-leaning independent who thinks gerrymandering and the electoral college has striped our representative democracy from us.

[DainBramaged]

73. Hillary has LESS integrity than McCain?

WOW :yoiks: :spray: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[TwilightGardener]

Idiotic.

[sfam]

110. If you think I'm alone on this perspective, you're living in a dream world.

Truly. I think you'll find that a very large percentage of the moderates in this country share very similar sentiments. Call me an idiot if you like, but realize this is a reality of the electorate right now. We've had insane spending for the last 8-9 years or so. To think that this isn't going to affect people's choices is silly.

[TwilightGardener]

112. I consider myself to be fairly fiscally conservative, and to consider

voting for a Republican who wants to continue a fruitless war and start another to the tune of billions and billions of dollars more over the next few years, when we're already busting our budget and borrowing from China to pay for what we're doing now, is the DEFINITION of idiotic. Sorry, Dems are the party of fiscal responsibility just on this point alone, unless you see some sort of benefit to wrecking our treasury and our military for years to come.

[ronnykmarshall]

99. Don't let the door hit you in ass on the way out.

[Avalux]

55. Do I have to? Yeah, I guess I do. Not gonna like it though; will be like going to the dentist.

x(

[1awake]

56. I will vote for Hillary

if she win's the nom. But my question is, why didn't you ask Hillary supporters the same question?

[Window]

58. Of course not.

It's too important...we must have a Democratic president.


Peace:thumbsup:

[awaysidetraveler]

60. I will never vote Hillary: a vote for her is a pro-war vote.

[DainBramaged]

61. I will never vote for a Republican,a vote for them is a vote for endless war

[awaysidetraveler]

76. Right, meaning that if Hillary wins, I won't vote. It's immoral.

Who knows, maybe someone decent will show up.

[DainBramaged]

80. Stay home, oh and enjoy more Republican fascism too.

Vote for Gramps, he brings out the asshole in most republicans anyway.

[awaysidetraveler]

82. Yeah, Hillary's just another fascist to me: I want no bases in Iraq and a timetable.

She offers neither, which means a vote for her is a vote for war.

Why do you want to put me in that position?

Never mind, you're obviously not willing to talk real moral issues.

[DainBramaged]

84. (sigh) Moral issues, George Bush, is that enough of a moral issue

Thanks for playing, I'll sit out your request, got to get ready for the Giant's win.

[Recursion]

65. We will support her if she's nominated. The problem is...

...a majority of Americans won't.

[abburdlen]

66. Hell no.

I'll work my but off to keep McCain out of the White House, but I'll give up hope of Libby Dole losing her seat here in NC.

[DiamondJay]

67. you should have done a poll

[DainBramaged]

71. I did a pole

The oil company wins again

[Withywindle]

72. Definitely not.

I'll work and vote for whoever the nominee is. Besides, part of me would be thrilled to have a woman President.

[AZBlue]

74. I'll say it once again: I will (of course) support the Dem nominee, no matter

who he or she is. Period.

[loveangelc]

75. a lot of people will not be honest without anonymity...

[demo dutch]

77. Refusing to vote is essentially approval of the Iraq Status Quo!!! Bomb bomb bomb

[demo dutch]

78. Refusing to vote is essentially approval of the Iraq Status Quo!!! Bomb bomb bomb

[IndianaGreen]

104. We voted for a Democratic Congress in '06, and what did we get for our efforts? Same old shit!

Plus we got Nancy "I love torture too!" Pelosi to put impeachment off the table.

[demo dutch]

114. If your call majority a few people. We need a major majority and Dem prez before

anything will happen! You ought to understand that by now.

[Alexander]

79. I'll vote for her. You can't say the same about many Shillbots, however.

Many of them have decided they will never vote for Obama. You should ask them about November.

[DainBramaged]

81. I disagree, and if you had READ my OP

You'd see it INCLUDED Obama as VP.

Reading comprehension, not needed at DU.:sarcasm:

[Alexander]

85. If I'll vote for her without Obama, I'll vote for her with Obama.

Is that really so hard to figure out, since Obama's my candidate?

"You'd see it INCLUDED Obama as VP."

I'd vote for Hillary in the GE with or without Obama. Do you really have trouble understanding this?

"Reading comprehension, not needed at DU."

Well, you don't read my post, you don't understand context and you don't know what sarcasm is.

I agree, it's apparently not needed. That's why you haven't been banned yet.

:rofl:

[DainBramaged]

86. Sarcasm

indicated with a

:sarcasm:

Thanks for playing, too bad I'm not the only one who hasn't been banned around here. Just too Liberal I guess.

Like i said, reading comprehension not needed,

you have to repeat everything everyone types to understand it?:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :thumbsdown:

[Alexander]

95. The problem is you didn't use sarcasm appropriately.

If you were really trying to attack me in true Shillbot fashion, you wouldn't have left the "sarcasm" icon there. The fact that you did suggests that you don't even know what sarcasm means!

:rofl:

"Like i said, reading comprehension not needed, you have to repeat everything everyone types to understand it?"

Better than you repeating everything you say, and still not understanding what I said. Which you're doing now.

Here's a better use of sarcasm:

I see you are DU's resident English professor. :sarcasm:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Meshuga]

83. It would be stupid to sit out

Sit out for what? To let McCain get elected? Fuck that!

I would prefer to see Obama on top of the ticket but if the voting goes for the other candidate I will not be bitter about it.

[conservdem]

87. I will probably vote for McCain if he is the other choice.

[TwilightGardener]

92. That's nuts. You're not a Democrat. You'd vote for 100 Years of Constant War

from a crazy man to spite Hillary. Go away.

[Alexander]

96. Why on earth are you polluting our message boards, then?

[ronnykmarshall]

103. One of those creatures that hang out under a bridge.

Hope the goats got out of the way.

[LowerManhattanite]

107. He's not alone...

Supposedly “respected” posters here have said the same thing in posts recently. There is s small but vocal subset of “My candidate or the Repug” members here. Not just “sit out”—but actively stating they will go GOP instead of backing the Dem candidate.

Make of that what you will.

[mcscajun]

111. I think that's worth a save.

:hi:

[Radical Activist]

88. I'll focus on local races because Hillary is a lost cause.

She has zero chance of getting elected so I might as well put my efforts where they might do some good.
I don't think Obama is foolish enough to take the VP slot on a losing establishment ticket. He would only be used as a prop by the Clintons.

[LowerManhattanite]

91. Angry flamebait.

And nothing more.

[Guava Jelly]

94. No

If Mrs Clinton Wins the nod I will vote for her..

[TwilightGardener]

98. If it's McCain vs. Hillary, I'll vote Hillary. I don't want my kids drafted into his NEXT war.

[TheDonkey]

100. I will campaign for McCain if Clinton gets the nom

JUST JOKING! I think it is crazy to do that.

[Indenturedebtor]

101. No I'll vote for her

I won't like it though.

And though I won't donate to her campaign directly I will continue to buy gasoline, pay my insurance premiums, etc.

[IndianaGreen]

102. Obama is talking about the new people he has brought on board

They have been apathetic in the past because they see the 2-party system as corrupt and indifferent to their needs. They don't see the world through a partisan lens. They see both major parties as colluding in the mess we find ourselves in.

They don't even know DU exists!

Like Obama, I don't see too many of them remaining engaged if they are presented with a business-as-usual choice in November.

[tammywammy]

105. No

And do we need this thread every 3 or 4 days. :shrug:

[RoadRage]

108. I will vote for her. She's not as good as Obama, but much better then McCain or Romney. NT

[scheming daemons]

109. I'd vote for her... but I won't work for her or donate to her campaign...

...

[adabfree]

113. Nooooooooooooooooooo

I'll stay home. I won't have a hand in it.

[cgrindley]

115. Absolutely not. I love Hillary. I just love Obama more (nt)

[fortyfeetunder]

116. I vote for the Dem candidate

no matter who it is.
Hope this answer helps!

[ramapo]

117. Absolutley Not

That would be about the dumbest thing I could do.

[angie_love]

118. At this point I'll vote for her if shes the nom.

However she really pissed me off the last several weeks and I gained back my respect for her in the debate. Lets see if she keeps this goodwill up.

[ErnestoG]

119. Another loyalty pledge? How many of these do we have to see?

It's ignorant crap.

[DainBramaged]

124. As ignorant as an Obama loyalty I hate Hillary pledge

Nice try, oh thanks for playing,.

PS the Giants won, more important this second, but thanks again.

[ErnestoG]

126. Link? Or are you just making shit up out of desperation?

[DainBramaged]

129. Stop, I am not taking your bait.

Have a nice evening. Bye bye

[chieftain]

120. I will vote for Clinton if she gets the nomination regardless of

who the VP is. And can we count on your support if Obama is the nominee?

[chitty]

121. Sure I'll

vote for her.

I don't hate her, I just prefer Obama.

Why would any of us vote for McCain over Barack or Hillary?

I just don't understand this logic.

[Jed Dilligan]

123. This isn't really an "ideological purity" issue

But yeah, I'm voting for her or him in November.

[Medusa]

125. Actually that's exactly what this question is

and it appears the HRC'ers want a "loyalty" oath of some kind.

[ScreamingMeemie]

130. I already did get my feelings out in the open, but I'll do it again...just for you.

I won't vote for Hillary...and no, I have no "issues", nor am I a misogynist. I don't like widowmakers

I won't vote for Obama..and no, I am not racist, I think he is lying to us.

I won't vote for Rommney or McCain or whoever wins the Repub nom.


I won't vote for any of them now that Edwards is out. Why? Listen up...Listen close. BECAUSE, THEY'RE ALL THE SAME AND THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE AND I GAVE UP CARING 5 MONTHS AGO. NOW, GET OVER IT THAT I DON'T LIKE, AND WILL NEVER VOTE FOR YOUR FREAKING CANDIDATE.

Honest enough????

[DainBramaged]

137. She's NOT my candidate but that's ok, you can assume whatever you want.

have a nice day!:silly:

[zulchzulu]

131. It would depend on how she ran her campaign

If she was the nominee and decided to go hard right (which I suspect she would), then I'll be voting for the real Democrat or whoever I think would be more in the progressive camp.

If she doesn't swerve right, then who the hell knows.

[jeffrey_X]

132. Independent Obama voters will, Yes. Democratic Obama voters will vote for Hillary...

in my opinion.

[stevietheman]

133. I would hold my nose and vote for Hillary under that scenario, yes...

even though McCain would easily win against her.

[Egnever]

135. Sit out ? Nope

I may not pull the lever for her though.

I would be suprised if Obama would take a VP slot with her. They dont apear to like each other and his brand of politics is totaly different.

I'll certainly make my mark for the D's down ticket.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

136. I'll vote for her.

And since I live in Arizona, where a McCain win is pretty much a guarantee, I won't feel guilty about not volunteering for or donating money to her campaign.