Bill and Hill's Dangerous Game

[Bread and Circus]

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080204/howl2

| posted January 23, 2008 (web only)
Bill and Hill's Dangerous Game
Nicholas von Hoffman

In the last couple of days Barack Obama has found out what Paula Jones must have felt like after being worked over by the Clinton organization. Ms. Clinton goes slap, slap, slap across his face as husband Bill lets the Illinois Senator have it below the belt.
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The Clintons cannot compete with the enthusiasm Obama sets off so they must destroy it. Their tactic is disillusionment. They are the quashers of the dream. Bring Obama's people down by showing them he is just another pol like themselves. Discourage idealism with the politics of experience--the politics of the payoff, the deal, of hit-man surrogates, of the slyest of slanders and of when we all are back in the White House, we'll take care of you.
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By the time the convention rolls around, the Clintons may pull it off. The machine wins again. Money trumps all. Campaigns of the good die young, etc. However, if those two think that the discouraged youth and the disgusted older people and the again embittered African-Americans are going to vote for her in November, they will find out that the cost of destroying Obama and the dream in the spring is their own destruction in the fall.

[ristruck]

1. Obvious

It is that clear. Well said.

[neutron]

11. Radioactivity in my Drinking Water is Dangerous

And Obama did nothing for people in his district who found out they
were drinking "hot: water, because the local Nuclear Power Plant
was leaking stuff.

All they wanted was to force Nuclear Power Plants to Alert them
when this happened.

They got Obama to draw up a bill. But it didn't pass.

Then Obama got himself several hundred thousand dollars in donations
from Nuclear Power initerests.

Then he wrote a nice bill that did pass - PROTECTING NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS
against the public.

So the kids in Obama's district could be drinking radioactivity and
will never know it.

Oh yes, he went strutting around Iowa LIEING and taking credit that his
first bill passed, when it did not.

So who's the Whore? Paula Jones or Barack Obama?

[cooolandrew]

14. I'll admit my candidate has flaws just as HRC on eco but 1 is getting youth excited and one is not.

[cali]

16. Calling Obama a whore?

go look in the mirror, spammer.

[polichick]

2. Ya know, I've been thinking of Paula Jones lately...

The way she was worked over by the Clinton machine was absolutely sickening.

[MonkeyFunk]

6. LOL

now the paid liar Paula Jones is a poor victim here on DU. This place has gone topsy-turvy.

[polichick]

9. So, are ALL of the women who have complained...

...about Bill Clinton's behavior paid liars???

[ChairmanAgnostic]

15. she was the victim twice.

Once personally by bill
once in full public display, at his orders.

HOW DARE ANYONE BLAME HER for Bill's repeated personal failures? Now, that is completely and unacceptably sexist.

[MonkeyFunk]

18. she's a known liar

and pawn of Mellon-Scaife.

She made out OK for herself.

It's astonishing that now she's a hero here, just because people dont' like Hillary. Sad.

[cooolandrew]

12. ...

[Dogmudgeon]

3. We feel so good, anyone who disagrees is bad

Nicholas von Hoffman wrote this?

All the whining about the poor, beleaguered Obama is laughable. The entire press has lined up behind him, as have most of the heads of the Democratic party. Nearly all of those pro-Obama editorials rail at the supposed evil of Hillary Clinton. She's a crook! She's a meanie! She's harshing on our mellow!

How does this constitute oppression of Obama?

Remember the corporate press and the Democratic party bosses? The ones that used to receive such scorn and hatred? All the press being owned by 5 big corporations, and the Democratic power elite conspiring with the DLC? They've been rehabilitated. They've been saved.

And since so many people are telling us how bad a person Hillary is, it must be true. What once was "the herd mentality" and "the sheeple" is now the "spontaneous wisdom of crowds".

I have also been seeing a trend toward can't-lose predictions: if Clinton wins, it means that the fix is in. The conspiracy has won. Our KKKorporate masters have cracked the whip and put their Alpha Bitch in command. And there is no way to dispute that -- if enough people say it, it must be so. Who needs evidence when they have feelings?

But worst of all, Nicholas von Hoffman's is yet another "authentic voice" added to the chorus demanding feel-good rhetoric and calling it transformation.

When was the last time a political leader of any party led thousands of people to chant slogans in unison?

This is just plain wrong. There are many good reasons to vote for Obama. The craving for the ecstasy of the peer-group isn't one of them.

--p!

[Evergreen Emerald]

13. best response yet.

[mtnsnake]

4. Anyone who REALLY knows Hillary knows that one blogger's opinion is just one opinion

and nothing more. There isn't a person in my area, whether they love Hillary or not, who would believe for a second that our Senator from NY is anything like what this blogger claims.

[FrenchieCat]

5. Keep repeating that to yourself.

if that's what it takes for you to believe it.

The Clintons showed their underside, and it wasn't pretty...and in fact, reminded us of all of the reasons as to why their tenure in the White House wasn't exactly as they would have us remember it.

[GoldieAZ49]

7. Obama cannot defeat the politics of personal destruction

alone. No one can.

It will take all of us together to tell them No More.

Yes WE can

[populistdriven]

8. If I am disillusioned about anything it is the Clintons

Their campaign machine pushed me away

[seafan]

10. A dangerous game, indeed: Reports of pro-Clinton push polling in California

Pro-Clinton push poll erupts in California

February 3, 2008

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But a few minutes into the conversation Ed says he noticed a strange pattern developing to the questions. First of all, the "pollster" was only asking about four candidates, three Democrats -- Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards, who was still in the race at the time -- and one Republican -- John McCain.

Also, every question about Clinton was curiously positive, Coghlan recalls. The caller said things like, if you knew that Sen. Clinton believed the country had a serious home mortgage problem and had made proposals to....

freeze mortgage rates and save families from foreclosure, would you be more likely or less likely to vote for her?

Ed said, of course, more likely.

Every question about the other candidates was negative. If Ed knew, for instance, that as a state senator Obama had voted "present" 43 times instead of taking a yes or no stand "for what he believed," would Ed be more or less likely to vote for him?

"That's when I caught on," said Coghlan. He realized then that he was being push-polled. That malicious political virus that is designed not to elicit answers but to spread positive information about one candidate and negative information about all others under the guise of an honest poll had arrived in Southern California within days of the important election.

It could become an issue in the closing hours of the campaign.

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http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080204/howl2">The Nation

January 23, 2008

In the last couple of days Barack Obama has found out what Paula Jones must have felt like after being worked over by the Clinton organization. Ms. Clinton goes slap, slap, slap across his face as husband Bill lets the Illinois Senator have it below the belt.

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The heart of the Clintons' strategy is to pull Obama down to their level. They are playing demolition derby politics. They understand that they cannot compete with his idealism or with his grand hopes for his country and its people. They know that they cannot match the inspiration he brings to young people and the renewal of faded dreams to older ones. The Clintons know they must take away the joy the Obama volunteers have in their belief that they are making history. They are going after Obama with fire extinguishers to douse the flames he ignites in hearts.

The Clintons cannot compete with the enthusiasm Obama sets off so they must destroy it. Their tactic is disillusionment. They are the quashers of the dream. Bring Obama's people down by showing them he is just another pol like themselves. Discourage idealism with the politics of experience--the politics of the payoff, the deal, of hit-man surrogates, of the slyest of slanders and of when we all are back in the White House, we'll take care of you.

The tactic is to bait, confuse and anger Obama until he says things in heat he does not mean and are not who he is. The tactic is to make him look less noble than he is and show the millions who have placed their hopes in him that he is not a special person after all.

The Clintons would barter the goodwill that they have earned among African Americans in a trade for Hispanic votes. If the exchange sows disunion and rubs raw latent antagonism, a politician of experience accepts the bitterness and the division to follow. It's for a higher cause--getting back in.

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[Yuugal]

17. Very dangerous

How many legs can she saw off of the dem party table and still have a chance in hell?

Progressives GONE
Angry working class/poor white guys GONE
Young people GONE
Minorities GONE
Independents and disgusted repugs GONE
DLC-haters and other anti-corporatists GONE

I'm sure the Al From vote and the "Real Housewives of Orange County" vote will turn out for her, and maybe some of the FIXODENT vote. Except now she just made that ridiculously stupid comment about finding a way to "go after the wages" of people who don't want to help her pay back her big pharma and ins co lobbyists for all the millions they gave her.

"Their tactic is disillusionment."

Its working!