Hillary: To Enforce Health Mandate, I Will be "going after people's wages" - POLITICAL SUICIDE?

[Dems Will Win]

This is why Obama is smarter than Hillary. Her last healthcare plan was not well thought, nor well-defended and helped to destroy the Democratic Party. Her new plan for mandated health insurance, enforced by "going after people's wages" will be political SUICICDE polls show.

Obama's no-mandate plan is looking a hell of a lot better today...

Clinton health plan may mean tapping pay

WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday she might be willing to garnish the wages of workers who refuse to buy health insurance to achieve coverage for all Americans.

The New York senator has criticized presidential rival Barack Obama for pushing a health plan that would not require universal coverage. Clinton has not always specified the enforcement measures she would embrace, but when pressed on ABC's "This Week," she said: "I think there are a number of mechanisms" that are possible, including "going after people's wages, automatic enrollment."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080203/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp_31;_ylt=Akc8u7_y5Tq4ff31zJPGCtsE1vAI

McCain would easily win the Indie vote form Clinton on this one!

PLEASE RECOMMEND SO PEOPLE BETTER UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE

[lvx35]

1. Dupe.

big thread on it here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4368045

[Dems Will Win]

2. Yes, but the point of this thread is:

IS THIS POLITICAL SUICIDE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION??

[lvx35]

19. When the government garnishes your wages, its called income tax.

Hillary made clear that there are tax incentives for getting health care, implying that taxes or "garnishments" (as they are suddenly being called here) would be worse for people who don't get insurance. I don't think people are retarded enough to believe for long that this is different than what she has been saying all along.

[Barack_America]

3. Bad, bad thing to say on SuperBowl Sunday.

People everywhere are going to be gathering to watch the game. With Super Tuesday so close and the election getting so much coverage, politics is bound to be discussed at many of these gatherings. That Hillary "wants to deduct money from paychecks" for her "forced healthcare" is going to be a big topic of discussion.

It doesn't matter if it's true or misleading, it will be discussed. And my guess is that the discussions won't be favorable.

[suston96]

4. Quote ALL that she said......from your link.....

Clinton said such measures would apply only to workers who can afford health coverage but refuse to buy it, which puts undue pressure on hospitals and emergency rooms. With her proposals for subsidies, she said, "it will be affordable for everyone."

BTW: Obama posters here are instructed by the Obama campaign to start as many duplicate threads as possible. You can figure why.

[L0oniX]

7. Who is going to determine what is affordable for someone who only makes 16k a yr?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

12. The health insurance lobby, duh. nt

[mrreowwr_kittty]

The full quote actually makes it worse.

Paints the uninsured as a bunch of deadbeats.

[Yuugal]

13. Do you really believe that?

"Clinton said such measures would apply only to workers who can afford health coverage but refuse to buy it"

Politicians always use this kind of language to act like they give a shit whether you can afford something or not. The reality is that when you are struggling they tell you that you are much to rich to get assistance paying for food, energy or housing because you have a minimum wage job or 3.

Clinton's plan is just another scam to fund the ins companies on the backs of the poor, the under-employed, the unemployed and the disabled.

[suston96]

17. Of course I believe it. That's how all those programs work.

Social Security and Medicare deductions are based on a percentage of your income. Why is it surprising that mandated insurance deductions would not be the same?

The ability to afford insurance will be calculated on income levels established by law and decided on the level of income.

[Yuugal]

26. Wrong

"Social Security and Medicare deductions are based on a percentage of your income"

If you make under 97k you pay tax on 100% of your income. If you make 500 billion a year, you still only pay on the first 97k. So it is not based on a percentage unless you are one of the little people and that percentage is 100%.

"The ability to afford insurance will be calculated on income levels established by law and decided on the level of income."

You actually trust the same govt that doesn't count food or fuel in determining what the cost of living is to make the decision about whether you can afford healthcare? Amazing.

The ability to pay will be decided by the same corporate lobbyists who gave Hillary hundreds of millions of dollars. Poor people will be forced to pay for something they still can't afford to use because of co-pays and deductables.

[suston96]

27. What is wrong with what I posted.....?

I said: "Social Security and Medicare deductions are based on a percentage of your income. Why is it surprising that mandated insurance deductions would not be the same?

The ability to afford insurance will be calculated on income levels established by law and decided on the level of income.

Nothing wrong with what I said. Maybe incomplete, but not wrong. And your "wrong" is not at all on point regarding paying for mandated health care.

Trust the government? Lemme let you in on a little secret: I am the fucking government! I decide through my reps how I will be governed.

When they don't do what I want I vote them out of office. Don't believe it? Watch next November.

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton has put something out there that covers everyone. Barack Obama has not. That's the discussion.

[Yuugal]

30. You said:

"Social Security and Medicare deductions are based on a percentage of your income."

I just showed you how that is not true.

[truedelphi]

14. During her earlier attempts to bring about a national health care system

She made the same mistakes she is making now.

She refused to pull the insurance companies out of the loop.

And her idea of affordable (Early nineties, I saw her say this on C-Span) was that "A family of four who makes $ 24,000 a year will ONLY pay $ 4,000 a year for health insurance."

This model works for someone familiar with the cost of rural living in Arkansas in the early 1990's. But even then, it did not work for any family of four living in major cities or on either coast.

She has no concept of what it means to be a family of four on that kind of income. (and remember, people's incomes have gone up only marginally if at all - and food, gas etc has gone sky high.)

I think Obama with his roots extending much closer to the black community has an understanding she doesn't.

[DB1]

5. Put a fork in HRC, she is done!!! N/T

[Yael]

6. Ouch

[BringBigDogBack]

8. This is why alot of people in flyover country

hate Hillary.

[jannyk]

9. Obama said pretty much the same thing during the debate.

When asked what would happen to someone who didn't sign up for his 'voluntary' coverage but still ended up needing care.
He stated those that were "gaming" the system would be 'gone after' for the premiums they hadn't paid.

So Hillary does it at the front end and Obama will do it back end - but they'll both do it! At least Hillary's way people won't be frightened to seek health care as they are now.

Or did you not know that?

[Evergreen Emerald]

15. The Obama supporters on DU must have a meeting to determine the issue of the day

there are at least 10 posts on this issue, and not a one of them will recognize the fact that it is just overblown garbage.

Obama said the same thing! They ignore that and suggest that Clinton will take money from your pocket. Twist, distort, lie.

[jannyk]

18. Remind you of the neocon 'talking points'?? It does me...

remember how they all used to appear on the various tv shows all spouting the exact same 'scripted message'?

If you say it often enough and loud enough it will become the 'truth'.

It's very Roveian and very disturbing.

[DainBramaged]

22. I am POSITIVE you speak the truth

They have been relentless in hammering Hillary today. It is so sad they are so derisive and hateful.

I wonder if they really ARE Obama supporters. I thought Obama supporters had INTEGRITY!!!

[populistdriven]

10. Not the smartest move - Obama has knocked her off her game

[DainBramaged]

11. DUPEDUPEDUPE

Saturate the forum, keep the talking points alive

[RC]

16. Gotta get Truth and Reality out in front of the masses.

So what is the problem again?

[DainBramaged]

20. Even if it is propaganda? Lies? A Reich wing talking point?

[Dems Will Win]

24. You're hurting your candidate now.

Can't be Reich-wing lies if Obama himself said it. Obama's plan is similar but has no adult mandates and thus no "going after people's wages"

By the way I believe it was the way she said it as well -- "GOING AFTER" sounds so kleptocratic.

[DainBramaged]

25. My candidate is Al Gore

like I said reading comprehension, so badly lacking at DU. Your assumption makes you an ass not me. Click on the brown book near my name, yes that's it and read my entries.

[chascarrillo]

34. Hey, since you're great at reading comprehension, can you help me w/ my ballot?

Try as I might, I can't find Al Gore's name on my ballot. Could you point me out to where his name is printed? Kthxbai!

[Dems Will Win]

21. I beleive the problem is Hil just put her foot in her mouth, and her hand in your pocket

and they don't want me to bring up the fact that this is POLITICAL SUICIDE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

McCain will take her to the cleaners on this one!

[DainBramaged]

23. maybe the lies will catch up with the Obama supporters in the end?

[Dems Will Win]

29. kick

[maximusveritas]

28. That was a mistake

I'm surprised she didn't find a way of getting out of that question.

[Dems Will Win]

31. she tried to but George S came back to it and pinned her down!

[Faryn Balyncd]

32. Isn't it great we have such an EXPERIENCED leader?

:sarcasm:





:kick:

[Azathoth]

33. Yup, the "battle-tested, steady hand of experience" strikes again n/t