The real reason Edwards pulled out

[fuzzy otter pop]

Obama's strong support among young voters, who actually are turning out to vote for him

is growing the base by leaps and bounds.

even if he were to go down to defeat to McCain, the base of the party will be forever enlarged

add this to the possibility that at any moment John might have had to suspend because of

personal reasons (knock on wood)

and that john had already successfully forced his issues on too the table,

i think he succumbed to Kennedy's pressure out of political logic

faced with the very real possibility that corrupt super delegates
(who were already more than likely pressuring John themselves)

might force a Hillery nomination down our throats
and that this would alienate the future power base of the party

who are young, idealistic, and more motivated than i have ever seen,

john got out of the way

no endorsements before Super T
because he is not a sell out and does not want to look like one

and he will still snag a few delegates to make his points

no matter what anyone says,
johns people will break down as follows

1. stay home (25%)
2. vote for him in protest (25%)
3. go to Obama 3 to 1 over the Borg assimilation machine(50%)

demonstrating once and for all that this is not about some paleolithic
race or sex war

If Obama can pull it off, the nation has at least a hope for change

if he loses

we will still grow stronger as a party
(huge youth turn out will be boon to down ticket races)

but with Hillery it is a lose-lose situation
even if she beat McCain (unlikely, she just has too much bad history and she fails to inspire people)

it would still be open season on her in DC and in the MSM
and
who in our party is really going to feel like defending her? seriously?

I would rather have one term McCain (old and crazy)
take the fall for the impending doom that let the bastards blame it on the enabling Hillery and the Democrats by proxy


I honestly feel that a clean loss with Obama(he just might win too!)
is better than a dirty win with Hillery

i think Edwards was convinced by Kennedy that he had to give Obama the room to take the machine down once and for all.

the reasoning was that
unless John could guaranty that he would stay in all the way to the convention
to watch Obama's back
NO MATTER WHAT ELSE HAPPENED

then Kennedy argued John needed to drop out before Tuesday
or he risked crippling Obama and leaving them both vulnerable to Hillbot treachery
and
given Elizabeth's condition this is a guaranty John could not make
and so he did what he had to.

and believe me if they fuck this up, he will be back.

[bigbrother05]

1. I knew it

Kennedy calling the shots.

[fuzzy otter pop]

2. it is his logic not his "shot calling", that convinced, not forced John

to make the tough call,

history will show that it was the right call and it was John's Not Ted's

i was not there

but it smacks of the Kennedy gift for tactical in fighting
and Edward's speech rang with old school rhetoric

?"history blazes a path"?

1960 anyone?

[chimpymustgo]

20. This is just fuzzy otter's guess. You really don't know Jack, right!

Good grief. let this be over soon.

[UALRBSofL]

6. Yep, kennedy calling the shots

What does that tell you about the GObama empty suit syndrome???

[thoughtcrime1984]

10. Enough about the "empty suit" nonsense

Go ahead and vote for Hil, nobody cares, but why use such a term on Sen. Obama? He is anything but an empty suit, he is a great mind full of vision and ideas. I don't go around making up terms for your candidate, although I probably could.

[surfermaw]

16. If you think white men are going to Obama 3 to 2 you are in for disapointment

In fact every Edwards person that I personally know are voting Hillary

[fuzzy otter pop]

18. as a 37 year old white guy my personal experice is completly the oppsite but

the polls back me up and in the end we will find out on Tuesday,

the race thing will be a factor in the general election but less so now

the younger Edwards supporters and the single moms are the ones who will swing heavy Obama,

i figure older white guys will say "Hillery"

at least to your face

and then stay home on Tuesday

(except me as a 37 year old white guy, i would vote for Obama at this point)

i did caucus in Nevada and when Edwards failed to meet viability

there were plenty of white guys who stood with Obama,

i was in reno too, so these were real white people, (sarcasm)
not urban yuppie types

[davidwparker]

3. "to take the machine down once and for all" - JE in the Neo role (Matrix). I

like it; so true.

[fuzzy otter pop]

7. wow, good eye,

i did not even catch that,

i like it too,

"this war ends tonight"

--Neo Edwards

edited for a better movie quote

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[Tennessee Gal]

8. Stop spewing that crap on every thread.

You apparently are too stupid to understand that you are doing more harm to your cause than good.

[UALRBSofL]

11. That's the truth

Because if you do spam enough times people will be turned off, not on. :)

[chimpymustgo]

5. "A clean LOSS by Obama is better than a dirty win with Hillary????? Okay you lost me.

I want to win. Which is ONE of my concerns about Obama.

[fuzzy otter pop]

12. i stand by that but the fact is

Hillery is deeply flawed as a candidate and she will loose to MaCrazy

depend on it

at least Obama grows the Party by a huge margin

and if his army of noobies shows up in November

we will make history

ALSO

Hillery would make an excellent VP pick for all the same reasons she should not be at the top of the
ticket

think of her as a liberal Dick Cheney in a pant suit

[Tennessee Gal]

9. Pure speculation

[fuzzy otter pop]

13. i wouldn't call it pure...

(heh, i am less than "clean")

but
yes
it is a WAG
(wild ass Guess)

but it fits the facts,

and the timing is perfect
if this is the case

[Kermitt Gribble]

14. "3. go to Obama 3 to 1 over the Borg assimilation machine(50%)"

From my perspective "Borg assimilation machine(50%)" looks like most in the Obama camp. The "Hope and Change" cult is not my cup of tea.

[fuzzy otter pop]

15. sorry to hear that, i like hope and i am for change

I agree that Obama's sincerity has yet to be fully tested
but

Hillery's has

and it came back

negative.

[Kermitt Gribble]

22. Not only

has his sincerity not been tested, his ability to withstand the repuke attacks that will come this summer has also not been tested.

Hillary has passed this test with flying colors.

If he gets the nomination, he will quickly find out how the right feels about bipartisanship.

[fuzzy otter pop]

23. how has she passed?

she won a senate seat in new york?

really?
give it up.

the real test will come in August and September with bumper to bumper coverage of white water
travel gate, the rose law firm scandal, a Monica redux, and more to come

can she win after the whole nation is drug through a rehash of this filth?

there is just
no way she can win.


they will smear her back to the stone ages
and it will stick
because
she has demonstrated repeatedly
that
she is a corporate cash powered ambition machine
and
people will start to remember all this stuff from the past
and they will start to believe it because
it all seems like stuff she would do.....

and the repuke hate machine will be on full tilt

with McCain caped on spending these smear attacks will all be independent expenditures
and out of control
the cazy bastard, (McCain) will simultaneously befit from them
and denounce them
as the problem with $$$ in politics


its a slam dunk win for him

[judaspriestess]

21. ..........

:thumbsup: toonces27

[Oskie]

17. you WANT a McCain win? even for one-term

And what happens to the Supreme Court? It'll be all-pro business, anti-individuals and they can ram through every right wing law possible -- which set back social and economic justice in this country for 40+ years. As for hope, yes... it inspires, but it's perspiration that gets results. READ Woodward's THE AGENDA (published in'94 before HRC even thought of running for the Senate) about Clinton's first term. Neither Clinton realized how much the forces of special interests (from Repugs and Dems) would unify to undermine any attempt at change. They hoped the "let's all get along" sentiment would mean something... but that's not how our "democracy" works: Greed and deception is always afoot. That's what "experience" really means -- no rose-colored view of political forces. Even after 8 horrible years do you think the GOP won't be out stabbing backs while giving lip service to "hope" and "change."

[fuzzy otter pop]

19. its not a question of what i want.

there are political realities that democrats must learn to except

and Hillery is a walking disaster

i am not alone in this position

ps

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