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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:37 PM
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Poll question: You're the boss. Hire the employee....
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 04:50 PM by hiaasenrocks
You've interviewed numerous candidates and you're left with two choices. It's time to hire one. You choose...
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:39 PM
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1. If I were the boss, I'd fire the person who came up with this stupid poll
that's the first thing I'd do.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:40 PM
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2. Sorry, don't have a dog in that fight
I'm for the fighter who knows every rotten trick the corporations can pull. I'm still voting for Edwards, still giving him delegates in the hope that he can broker the convention and play a part in developing the party's platform.

I'm voting for the only rational health care plan out there.

Then I'll vote for whichever stiff gets the nod.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:40 PM
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3. I'd fire you, my incompetent HR director.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:42 PM
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7. lmao
This is turning into an MBA case study ;)
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:41 PM
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4. Hey, it's the push poll guy!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:41 PM
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:50 PM
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20. stop spamming that info.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:42 PM
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6. Motivational speakers ...

... should be forced to lived under bridges.

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:42 PM
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8. The cheaper hooker.
:yoiks:
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:43 PM
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9. Wow, you push poll almost as much as your candidate.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:44 PM
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10. Who is my candidate?
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:56 PM
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28. That's what I thought. n/t
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:44 PM
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11. I'd hire a trial lawyer.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:44 PM
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12. When there were three choices, there were three lawyers.
Now there are two lawyers.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:46 PM
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13. Sorry, I fired Hillary a long time ago when she fucked up health care the first time...
and I didn't vote in your stupid poll.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:47 PM
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16. I haven't voted yet, so I'll vote for the second choice in your honor.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:47 PM
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14. After looking at both resumes..
and seeing that Candidate B also worked as a community organizer, a civil rights lawyer, was president of the Harvard Law Review, and as a state senator actually did what he claimed by bringing democrats & republicans together,

I think i'd vote for candidate "B".
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:49 PM
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19. Do you know what a "community organizer" does?
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:54 PM
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21. Actually works WITH the community, stays in touch with them, instead of sitting
behind a desk pushing paper most days, and golfing with rich friends when the sun is shining?

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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:55 PM
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22. OK, in other words, you don't know.
That's OK, neither do I.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:01 PM
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23. Definition from Wiki..
Community organizing is a process by which people are brought together to act in common self-interest.

While organizing describes any activity involving people interacting with one another in a formal manner, much community organizing is in the pursuit of a common agenda. Many groups seek populist goals and the ideal of participatory democracy. Community organizers create social movements by building a base of concerned people, mobilizing these community members to act, and developing leadership from and relationships among the people involved.


Common aspects of organized communities
Organized community groups seek accountability from elected officials, corporations and institutions as well as increased direct representation within decision-making bodies and social reform. Where negotiations fail, these organizations seek to inform others outside of the organization of the issues being addressed and expose or pressure the decision-makers through a variety of means, including picketing, boycotting, sit-ins, petitioning, and electoral politics.

Community organizing is usually focused on more than just resolving specific issues. Organizing is empowering all community members, often with the end goal of distributing power equally throughout the community.

Community organizers generally seek to build groups that are democratic in governance, open and accessible to community members, and concerned with the general health of the community rather than a specific interest group.

There are three basic types of community organizing, grassroots organizing, faith based community organizing, and coalition building. Additionally, political campaigns often claim that their door-to-door operations are in fact an effort to organize the community, often these operations are focused exclusively on voter identification and turn out.

The ideal of grassroots organizing is to build community groups from scratch, develop new leadership where none existed, and otherwise organize the unorganized. It is a values based process where people are brought together to act in the interest of their communities and the common good. It is a strategy that revitalizes communities and allows the individuals to participate and incite social change. It empowers the people directly involved and impacted by the issues being addressed. A network of community organizations that employ this method is National Peoples Action

Faith-based community organizing, FBCO, is a deliberate methodology of developing the power and relationships throughout a community of institutions such as congregations, unions, and associations. Built on the work of Saul Alinsky in the mid-1900s, there are now 180 FBCOs in the US as well as in South Africa, England, Germany, and other nations (according to Interfaith Funders' 2001 study Faith Based Community Organizing: State of the Field, by Mark Warren and Richard Wood). Local organizations are often linked through organizing networks such as the Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF), Direct Action and Research Training (DART) Center, and People Improving Communities through Organizing (PICO). For more information view two videos The Power of New Voices and Faith in Action - The PICO Organizing Model.

Coalition building efforts seek instead to unite existing groups, such as churches, civic associations, and social clubs, to more effectively pursue a common agenda.

Community organizing is not solely the domain of progressive politics, as dozens of fundamentalist organizations have sprung up, such as the Christian Coalition.

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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:02 PM
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24. You're kind of making my point.
You touted Obama's record of being a "community organizer" and when asked what exactly that was you didn't know, and when asked again you had to run to Wiki.

So I'm just wondering why it was important enough for you to list that as an accomplishment when you didn't even know what it was.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:17 AM
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29. Do you know EXACTLY what a Theoretical Physicist does?
I mean, could you write me the job description? Probably not - but you may have a general understanding. A community organizer works within the community to organize. You seemed to want to know more, so I gave you a specific description.

I know that Obama was a community organizer, meaning he worked (for little pay) within lower income community to try to organize them for vote drives, and other events that would overall benifit the community. This type of grassroots organization is one of the many reasons why I like him - because he's not like many of the other candidates running for office that have always had a silver spoon in their mouths.

I don' think I should have to be able to write word-for-word every single thing that he did to understand and appreciate it. He was also president of the Harvard Law Review, and to me that is impressive, but no - I could not tell you exactly what he did on that law review.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:47 PM
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15. Wow, this post convinced me to vote for Clinton!
THANKS SO MUCH
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:48 PM
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17. Why?
She's been around for 35 years and we STILL need change. She calls he own accomplishments into question.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:49 PM
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18. I see it all the time at work reading proposals
Needs assessments that show how drastic a crisis has become, and then staffing sections claiming the people are qualified because have been working on that specific problem in that specific place for 10-20 years.

You can't have it both ways. In with the new, I say.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:04 PM
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25. Candidate A fails to mention the fact that she is PART of the problem that has existed for
28 years. Not sure where you got 35. Jimmy Carter wasn't a Bush/Clinton.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:05 PM
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26. Hillary says she has "35 years of experience." Which should lead her supporters to ask...
how will being around for 35 years be "change"?
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:08 PM
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27. If two people came in, one with 35 years, one with 21 years
I would consider both on different merits, as both have long lives of experience
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:19 AM
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30. I go with the one who can Motivate people.
You can talk change all you want but there is no way you change the direction a company or country is heading without being able to motivate the people to execute the change.
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