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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:27 PM
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Why I think Clinton's health care program is better
"Private and public plan options would be available to individuals through a new Health Choices Menu operated through the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). Coverage through employers and public programs like Medicare continues."

FEHB offers the same insurance that congress has. Why is it better? Because the government has great leverage in the premiums and benefits because of the large number of insured. There are 14.6 million federal government employees. When I had health insurance through FEHBP, the government would drop any provider whose premiums were too high or who tried to limit benefits because of pre-existing conditions. If an insurer didn't pay up they would get dropped. No insurer wanted to lose millions of customers.

By adding the millions of uninsured to the FEHB program the government has more leverage.

I would love to have insurance through FEHBP again.

Obama's plan offers: Plan coverage would offer comprehensive benefits similar to those available through FEHBP.Create the National health Insurance Exchange through which small businesses and individuals without access to other public programs or employer-based coverage could enroll in the new public plan or in approved private plans.

Why just similar? Why not have the bargaining power of millions of insured in the FEHBP plans?

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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:29 PM
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1. Makes sense to me...I think that the way AZ does it makes sense for the
nation...not quite single payer but not quite mandated insurance.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:35 PM
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10. Obama's plan sounds much like Romney's plan here in MA
Have not heard one good word about the MA plan. It didn't effect my husband or I, we just stayed the way we were. Any one got a comment about this? No snark please.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:53 PM
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28. Senators Edwards and Clinton's (cuz she stole hers from his)
are exactly like MA.

Senator Obama is a great deal similar but leaves the 15 million person gap.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:19 PM
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46. I didn't hear anything about buying into a gov. plan, similar to the
what the US Senators have, from Romney. Are you sure? My understanding of Hillary's plan, is you can choose to go with your company plan, etc. or buy into one similar to the one the The US Senators have. The only thing I see the same as Romney's plan is that everyone must have insurance.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:58 PM
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55. That is not Romney's plan well the MA was not Romney's plan...I have no idea
what his actual plan is...but generally the idea was that everyone would be covered by buying insurance from companies already around and subsidies for those who are too poor is basically what the MA plan is.

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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:12 AM
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57. I much prefer something like the US Senate has as a choice.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:36 PM
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11. Using the force of numbers as leverage makes a lot of sense....
it works. I would love to get that insurance back. Now I have to contend with a bunch of shit because I've had back surgery.

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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #11
33. My mom needs some health care for her foot but without insurance
it will cost me a lot
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:30 PM
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2. Right you are.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:31 PM
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3. What's her plan to help create American jobs, so everyone can afford the program?
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Why don't you go to her website and find out instead of
interrupting a discussion on health care?

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:56 PM
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37. they do it all the time--ROVIAN style.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:56 PM
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35. She has a new job creating Green Energy plan.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:26 PM
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48. Are you trying to hijack this thread into a job thread? Did
you even listen to her in the debate on Sat. night? She addressed both issues quite well. If you are open minded enough to really look at her universal health care plan here are some links you might want to read:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4371126

You might also like to check her web site for her jobs plan.
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The Delegates Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:32 PM
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4. Yes she can!
Garnish wages, that is.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Only for those who refuse to get health insurance
when they CAN afford it. We can not reach the goal of universal health care with deadbeats who refuse to accept some responsibility.

Obama would fine them....is that really better?

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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:54 PM
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32. sounds fair enough,
but at what level using which criteria will people be deemed that they CAN afford it? I think this is the rub for some. I can see it working really well, or hurting alot of people. I guess I don't have enough details on it yet.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:58 PM
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39. I doubt that the exact figures have been worked out....
as you know when it comes to Congress there will be a fight over it.

"In addition to the broad array of private options that Americans can choose from, they will be offered the choice of a public plan option similar to Medicare."

It sounds like there will be many choices.

Americans who are satisfied with the coverage they have today can keep it, while benefiting from lower premiums and higher quality.


* Reducing Costs: By removing hidden taxes, stressing prevention and a focus on efficiency and modernization, the plan will improve quality and lower costs.

* Strengthening Security: The plan ensures that job loss or family illnesses will never lead to a loss of coverage or exorbitant costs.

* End to Unfair Health Insurance Discrimination: By creating a level-playing field of insurance rules across states and markets, the plan ensures that no American is denied coverage, refused renewal, unfairly priced out of the market, or forced to pay excessive insurance company premiums.
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. thanks for the info. n/t
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. You're welcome....
it's a very complex issue.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:33 PM
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7. those are called taxes...why she called it garnishment is odd.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:35 PM
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8. I swear, some people are just too stupid to
be believed. They've been whining about the great insurance Congress gets and when it's offered to them they still want to bitch.

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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:38 PM
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14. I've seen some of those plans that are offered under the FEHB program...
They frankly suck, especially when it comes to co-pays and deducts. Yeah, you get a "choice", but the programs offered are ALREADY out of the price range of most of the uninsured, how will they pay for them?
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:40 PM
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18. Well, let's see them....
the one I had was wonderful.

There are tax subsidies to help pay for them. What part of that don't you understand?

Ok, once again:

# Provide Tax Relief to Ensure Affordability: Working families will receive a refundable tax credit to help them afford high-quality health coverage.

# Limit Premium Payments to a Percentage of Income: The refundable tax credit will be designed to prevent premiums from exceeding a percentage of family income, while maintaining consumer price consciousness in choosing health plans.

# Create a New Small Business Tax Credit: To make it easier-not harder-for small businesses to create new jobs with health coverage, a new health care tax credit for small businesses will provide an incentive for job-based coverage.


The more people in the program the more the premiums are negotiable.

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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:47 PM
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25. Tax credits don't mean shit to those who already don't pay most taxes...
Also, I'm not talking just premiums, I worked under a similar system, offered to city employees, and the premiums I could afford just fine, the deducts and co-pays, on the other hand, I couldn't. I simply didn't have the money, and I got damned near all my tax money back at the end of tax season to begin with. How would a tax rebate help someone who gets their tax money back again to begin with?
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. There will be a larger array of plans to choose from
because it is under the FEHBP. There will also be public plans as well.

If you have a tax credit coming you can have less taxes taken out each payday.



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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:06 PM
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41. OK, so I actually looked at some of these plans, available in my area...
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 07:12 PM by Solon
None offer a catastrophic limit less than 1500 dollars, and most have co-pays for things like hospital stays around 20%. They also have deducts averaging about 2000 dollars. Great choices here. If I ever have to go to the hospital, I'll be out 3500 dollars, minimum, in debt from that alone. Will the government pay for that, or will I have to try to pay that off somehow?

ON EDIT: Also, the cheapest premium, for an individual, was 67 dollars, for family 149 dollars. For some of the other plans, it was at least twice this for individuals, and 3 times that for families.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #41
44. One of the main things to check for and some
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 07:16 PM by BlackVelvet04
people overlook is MAXIMUM OUT OF POCKET PER YEAR.

I would expect the FEHBP plans to offer lower deductibles, and maxium out of pocket per hear. I've never seen a catastrophic limit that low....are you sure you aren't talking about maximum out of pocket? $1500 wouldn't pay for 2 days in the hospital.

One thing I found when I had the FEHBP plan was my doctor's wrote off whatever the plan didn't pay. I'm not sure why but my Orthopedic surgeon wrote off over $1,000 for my office visit co-pays, surgical co-pay and after surgery care co-pay.

And that leads to another benefit....Doctor's LOVE accepting FEHBP insurance because they know they aren't going to have to fight for payment.



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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:27 PM
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49. There is nothing under the plan that I found that...
Says anything about Maximum Out of Pocket.

There are two listings, one says Catastrophic limit per person, which I looked up, and on the website it says this:

Catastropic Limit - Self

After your copayments total this amount for one person in any calendar year, you do not have to pay any more for covered services for that person. In addition, there is probably a family copayment amount specified, after which you do not have to pay for anyone covered by your enrollment.

Copayments for certain services may not count toward your catastrophic protection out-of-pocket maximum, and you must continue to pay copayments for these services. See the plan brochure for specific detailis.


BUT, there's also the Calendar Year Deductable per person:

Annual Deductable — Self

The amount you must pay for health care, before your health plan begins to pay. There is a deductible for each benefit period - usually a year. There may be separate deductibles for different types of services. Deductibles can change every year.

The deductable requirement may be met by reaching the deductable amount for individuals covered under your enrollment, or in some cases it may be met for all persons under your enrollment when family deductable amount has been reached. Individual plans have their own definitions of what expenses are counted toward the deductable amount and those that do not count toward the deductable.


I'm assuming the first one is basically what you are talking about, but in that case, I would only choose ONE plan out of the ones I found, because the others cost $3,000, $4,000, and $5,000. In other words, I would be up shit's creek without a paddle if I get seriously ill. Of courst, that plan (the $1,500 dollar one) costs $149 a month for one person. So I have a choice between the plan I can't afford the premium of, or the plans I can't afford maximum out of pocket expenses from. What's funny is that even the one that costs "only" 1500 bucks is still outside my price range.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. Yes, that catastrophic limit - self is maximum
out of pocket.

Hospitals and doctors will work with you over a grand or two, it's when you have no insurance you lose your home or have to declare bankruptcy. Every hospital has a fund to help people pay who can't afford it but it's usually limited. I had a friend who the hospital paid her bill out of their fund but I think at the time it was limited to about $5,000.

$149 for one person isn't horrible but it ain't great.

Please see my post here for some cost cutting tips (reduced my insurance from $747 to $360 for two people:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2811524

I do wish you the best and hope you can find something you can afford until somebody comes up with a plan to help us all. I know what it's like to lay awake wondering how the hell I can afford my health care.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. I stay awake at night because sometimes its too painful to lay down...
which fucking sucks.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. I'm terribly sorry....
I live with back pain and have since I was 13 but it's not so bad that it's always painful to lay down.

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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:35 PM
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9. It's good, but HR 676 is better
we already have too many insurance companies and their bureaucracies already. We don't need more of them. We need less.

Single payer is the way to go

www.hr676.org
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. Single payer isn't going to hapapen at this time.......
sorry, but it's not.

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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #13
21. If you and our candidates are willing to fight for it, it won't.
It makes even less sense to not even try to get it. But it sure pays better (Big Insurance $$$, FTW!)
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. That song and dance is getting old....
try a new one. You will never get the republicans and most americans to go for single payer. They point to the Canadian system as a failure.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. With a can-do attitude like yours we sure will
Believe it or not, most Republican voters would support a single-payer system. Surveys have repeatedly shown this to be true.

But why should we demand our politicians do something worthwhile, when they can keep collecting insurance PAC money (Hillary, call your office)
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. I have never seen a survey
where republicans support single payer. You are just making that up! :)
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:56 PM
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36. Yes, he/she is making it up. n/t
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #30
38. Too many to post here
Google this:

universal healthcare us poll republican

Here's one poll from this year:
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/poll-shows-many-republicans-favor-universal-healthcare-gays-in-military-2007-06-28.html

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JFKgirl Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:36 PM
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12. you think its better because u want her to win. what shes doing is stealing money from middle class
america and funding her insurance companies with it.

Barack Obama's Plan is better:
Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All
Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress. The Obama plan will have the following features:
Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.
Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care.
Affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles.
Subsidies. Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need financial assistance will receive an income-related federal subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.
Simplified paperwork and reined in health costs.
Easy enrollment. The new public plan will be simple to enroll in and provide ready access to coverage.
Portability and choice. Participants in the new public plan and the National Health Insurance Exchange (see below) will be able to move from job to job without changing or jeopardizing their health care coverage.
Quality and efficiency. Participating insurance companies in the new public program will be required to report data to ensure that standards for quality, health information technology and administration are being met.
National Health Insurance Exchange: The Obama plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals who wish to purchase a private insurance plan. The Exchange will act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and have the same standards for quality and efficiency. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, public.
Employer Contribution: Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small employers that meet certain revenue thresholds will be exempt.
Mandatory Coverage of Children: Obama will require that all children have health care coverage. Obama will expand the number of options for young adults to get coverage, including allowing young people up to age 25 to continue coverage through their parents' plans.
Expansion Of Medicaid and SCHIP: Obama will expand eligibility for the Medicaid and SCHIP programs and ensure that these programs continue to serve their critical safety net function.
Flexibility for State Plans: Due to federal inaction, some states have taken the lead in health care reform. The Obama plan builds on these efforts and does not replace what states are doing. States can continue to experiment, provided they meet the minimum standards of the national plan.
Lower Costs by Modernizing The U.S. Health Care System
Reducing Costs of Catastrophic Illnesses for Employers and Their Employees: Catastrophic health expenditures account for a high percentage of medical expenses for private insurers. The Obama plan would reimburse employer health plans for a portion of the catastrophic costs they incur above a threshold if they guarantee such savings are used to reduce the cost of workers' premiums.
Helping Patients:
Support disease management programs. Seventy five percent of total health care dollars are spent on patients with one or more chronic conditions, such as diabetes, heart disease and high blood pressure. Obama will require that providers that participate in the new public plan, Medicare or the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) utilize proven disease management programs. This will improve quality of care, give doctors better information and lower costs.
Coordinate and integrate care. Over 133 million Americans have at least one chronic disease and these chronic conditions cost a staggering $1.7 trillion yearly. Obama will support implementation of programs and encourage team care that will improve coordination and integration of care of those with chronic conditions.
Require full transparency about quality and costs. Obama will require hospitals and providers to collect and publicly report measures of health care costs and quality, including data on preventable medical errors, nurse staffing ratios, hospital-acquired infections, and disparities in care. Health plans will also be required to disclose the percentage of premiums that go to patient care as opposed to administrative costs.
Ensuring Providers Deliver Quality Care:
Promote patient safety. Obama will require providers to report preventable medical errors and support hospital and physician practice improvement to prevent future occurrences.
Align incentives for excellence. Both public and private insurers tend to pay providers based on the volume of services provided, rather than the quality or effectiveness of care. Providers who see patients enrolled in the new public plan, the National Health Insurance Exchange, Medicare and FEHBP will be rewarded for achieving performance thresholds on outcome measures.
Comparative effectiveness research. Obama will establish an independent institute to guide reviews and research on comparative effectiveness, so that Americans and their doctors will have the accurate and objective information they need to make the best decisions for their health and well-being.
Tackle disparities in health care. Obama will tackle the root causes of health disparities by addressing differences in access to health coverage and promoting prevention and public health, both of which play a major role in addressing disparities. He will also challenge the medical system to eliminate inequities in health care through quality measurement and reporting, implementation of effective interventions such as patient navigation programs, and diversification of the health workforce.
Insurance reform. Obama will strengthen antitrust laws to prevent insurers from overcharging physicians for their malpractice insurance and will promote new models for addressing errors that improve patient safety, strengthen the doctor-patient relationship and reduce the need for malpractice suits.
Lowering Costs Through Investment in Electronic Health Information Technology Systems: Most medical records are still stored on paper, which makes it hard to coordinate care, measure quality or reduce medical errors and which costs twice as much as electronic claims. Obama will invest $10 billion a year over the next five years to move the U.S. health care system to broad adoption of standards-based electronic health information systems, including electronic health records, and will phase in requirements for full implementation of health IT. Obama will ensure that patients' privacy is protected.
Lowering Costs by Increasing Competition in the Insurance and Drug Markets: The insurance business today is dominated by a small group of large companies that has been gobbling up their rivals. There have been over 400 health care mergers in the last 10 years, and just two companies dominate a full third of the national market. These changes were supposed to make the industry more efficient, but instead premiums have skyrocketed by over 87 percent.
Barack Obama will prevent companies from abusing their monopoly power through unjustified price increases. His plan will force insurers to pay out a reasonable share of their premiums for patient care instead of keeping exorbitant amounts for profits and administration. His new National Health Exchange will help increase competition by insurers.
Lower prescription drug costs. The second-fastest growing type of health expenses is prescription drugs. Pharmaceutical companies are selling the exact same drugs in Europe and Canada but charging Americans more than double the price. Obama will allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S. Obama will also repeal the ban that prevents the government from negotiating with drug companies, which could result in savings as high as $30 billion. Finally, Obama will work to increase the use of generic drugs in Medicare, Medicaid, and FEHBP and prohibit big name drug companies from keeping generics out of markets.
Fight for New Initiatives
Advance the Biomedical Research Field: As a result of biomedical research the prevention, early detection and treatment of diseases such as cancer and heart disease is better today than any other time in history. Barack Obama has consistently supported funding for the national institutes of health and the national science foundation. Obama strongly supports investments in biomedical research, as well as medical education and training in health-related fields, because it provides the foundation for new therapies and diagnostics. Obama has been a champion of research in cancer, mental health, health disparities, global health, women and children's health, and veterans' health. As president, Obama will strengthen funding for biomedical research, and better improve the efficiency of that research by improving coordination both within government and across government/private/non-profit partnerships. An Obama administration will ensure that we translate scientific progress into improved approaches to disease prevention, early detection and therapy that is available for all Americans.
Fight AIDS Worldwide. There are 40 million people across the planet infected with HIV/AIDS. As president, Obama will continue to be a global leader in the fight against AIDS. Obama believes in working across party lines to combat this epidemic and recently joined Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) at a large California evangelical church to promote greater investment in the global AIDS battle.
Support Americans with Disabilities: As a former civil rights lawyer, Barack Obama knows firsthand the importance of strong protections for minority communities in our society. Obama is committed to strengthening and better enforcing the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) so that future generations of Americans with disabilities have equal rights and opportunities. Obama believes we must restore the original legislative intent of the ADA in the wake of court decisions that have restricted the interpretation of this landmark legislation.

Barack Obama is also committed to ensuring that disabled Americans receive Medicaid and Medicare benefits in a low-cost, effective and timely manner. Recognizing that many individuals with disabilities rely on Medicare, Obama worked with Senator Ken Salazar (D-CO) to urge the department of health and human services to provide clear and reliable information on the Medicare prescription drug benefit and to ensure that the Medicare recipients were protected from fraudulent claims by marketers and drug plan agents.
Improve Mental Health Care. Mental illness affects approximately one in five American families. The National Alliance on Mental Illness estimates that untreated mental illnesses cost the U.S. more than $100 billion per year. As president, Obama will support mental health parity so that coverage for serious mental illnesses are provided on the same terms and conditions as other illnesses and diseases.
Protect Our Children from Lead Poisoning. More than 430,000 American children have dangerously high levels of lead in their blood. Lead can cause irreversible brain damage, learning disabilities, behavioral problems, and, at very high levels, seizures, coma and death. As president, Obama will protect children from lead poisoning by requiring that child care facilities be lead-safe within five years.
Reduce Risks of Mercury Pollution. More than five million women of childbearing age have high levels of toxic mercury in their blood, and approximately 630,000 newborns are born at risk every year. Barack Obama has a plan to significantly reduce the amount of mercury that is deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, which in turn would reduce the amount of mercury in fish.
Support Americans with Autism. More than one million Americans have autism, a complex neurobiological condition that has a range of impacts on thinking, feeling, language, and the ability to relate to others. As diagnostic criteria broaden and awareness increases, more cases of autism have been recognized across the country. Barack Obama believes that we can do more to help autistic Americans and their families understand and live with autism. He has been a strong supporter of more than $1 billion in federal funding for autism research on the root causes and treatments, and he believes that we should increase funding for the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act to truly ensure that no child is left behind.

More than anything, autism remains a profound mystery with a broad spectrum of effects on autistic individuals, their families, loved ones, the community, and education and health care systems. Obama believes that the government and our communities should work together to provide a helping hand to autistic individuals and their families.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:38 PM
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15. No, you poor litle deluded nut job....
I KNOW IT'S BETTER. I had that insurance and it was wonderful. When I had back surgery that kept me in the hospital for 17 days, took a neurosurgeon and an orthopedic surgeon to do and 7 hours in the operating room, my total cost was roughly $400.

It would be good for you as well since it covers psychiatric care.

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:40 PM
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17. lol, oh I might be falling for you.
;)
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:41 PM
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19. .....
:pals:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:54 PM
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31. OBABACRYBABY whining again.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:39 PM
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16. Is mandated health insurance going to pass congress?
I don't think so. jmo.
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JFKgirl Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:43 PM
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20. hillary supporters dont think that far ahead. dont confuse them with facts
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:46 PM
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24. You haven't posted a fact since you've been here...
ms. spammer.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:43 PM
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22. You better hope so because if it isn't mandated it isn't going to work.....
the uninsured are a drain on the whole medical system and taxpayers.

There is power in numbers....the FEHBP is a great program.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:49 PM
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26. Another important difference:
Tax changes related to health insurance

Clinton: * Employer-provided health premiums would continue to be excluded from income taxes except for “the high-end portion of very generous plans for those making over $250,000.”



Obama: * No provision.


Why is that important? It stops the government from taxing us for the benefits we might receive from employers.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:55 PM
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34. REC
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:08 PM
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42. I like her plan better too....
...I DISLIKE her damn labor/NAFTA policies though.

For me, there's still enough to DISLIKE about both her and Obama to keep me at bay - still.

It looks like Obama may smooth-talk his way into the Presidency. But some of his policies leave a LOT to be desired. He's been BOUGHT by the damn coal and nuclear industries too.

Pfft

6 of 1 half dozen the other. Not much diff.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:17 PM
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45. No candidate is going to be perfect....
This time I'm voting for MY self interests and Hillary fits that bill for me. You have to do what you think is best for you.



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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:21 PM
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47. IT IS BETTER because it sets the stage for easy transition in UHC!
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:38 PM
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51. Oh, Lord,
I was just getting ready to ask you what UHC is. Duh. Fever, flu and comprehension skills are compatible.

:blush:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:13 PM
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53. Dean had a similar plan
in 04.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 03:15 AM
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56. That only works because employed people are healthier than the general population
None of those plans would tolerate the influx of a lot of chronically ill people. The public plans would automatically be cash-starved.
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