I think Hillary’s health care plan is much more progressive.

[AGirl]

Her plan will help poor people who can’t afford health care the most, by making sure that the people who can afford health care will pitch in to make sure the system provides coverage for everyone , which will lower the cost of health care overall.

It might not be a politically popular decision, but it is a courageous, moral and progressive.

[JFKgirl]

1. Hillary doesnt care about those who lose their jobs or are poor

Mandatory Health Insurance is not Universal Healthcare*
Making it illegal for people not to have Insurance is not Universal Healthcare.

Garnishing wages to pay a 3rd Party Insurance Company is not Universal Healthcare.

This is actually a windfall for Insurance Companies who will have millions of new customers on a promise of lowering their rates. Yet they will still determine the final price, for profit.

It is another bill in the mail for Americans, some of whom simply cannot afford it.

Universal Healthcare is what Europe has. It is non-profit. It is included in taxes. No 3rd Party Vultures are feeding at the trough.

Mandatory Insurance is not Universal Healthcare.
No matter how many times Hillary tries to sell it as such.

[AGirl]

3. It’s obviously a compromise since single payer universal health care

is not politically possible, according to the frontrunners of the party. I didn't say her plan is the BEST out of all possible choices.

[JFKgirl]

6. Hillarys plan is the worst

[BlackVelvet04]

10. You don't know anything about either plan OR

you are deliberately LYING. I vote LYING.

You're really going to need the psychiatric care offered.

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[madrchsod]

39. she is? wow ---what an attack...

i guess if we disagree with hillary`s healthcare we are crazy and need help....thanks

[LoveleeRita]

16. What makes you the expert??

What are your credentials?

How long have you been alive?

[Armstead]

14. How will mandated coverage by private insurers more politically viable?

[BootinUp]

38. I dont know perhaps you should ask Obama, nt

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[Jed Dilligan]

2. So the financial situation of every person without insurance

will be studied closely by the government, who will then decide what they can afford (i.e. telling a lot of people to sacrifice something to buy into the plan.)

"Intrusive" and "fascistic" come to mind, but not "progressive."

I live check to check and service debt. Fuck her if she wants to pull a hundred dollars a month out of me. What about taxing corporations for the health of the workers and consumers who support them? That would be progressive and popular. But not neoliberal enough, I guess...

[AGirl]

4. People are already suffering from the expensive cost of health care right now, you are paying for it

one way or another.

[Jed Dilligan]

7. So you would take the money I spend now

on good foods and medicines that keep me in good health, and let it get sucked up by a titanic bureaucracy that probably won't help a single person get any better care than they're getting now? How long will it take for this benefit to accrue? One year? Five years? I can't wait in state-imposed poverty for that long. I will go bankrupt if I'm forced to take on one more bill.

[AGirl]

This is the first time I heard a “progressive” whining about bureaucracy.

[BlackVelvet04]

13. First everyone complains because Congress has such

great insurance and we don't and then when someone wants to offer it to them they kick their feet and cry.

Children.

[Jed Dilligan]

19. "Offer"?

An offer that I have to pay for--sounds like the Mafia.

[BlackVelvet04]

23. No, you don't have to pick that insurance....

there will be public plans.

[Jed Dilligan]

28. That I pay how much for, and how?

I'm down to have my taxes spent on it--as long as the tax is progressive and some defense waste is cut to help us pay for it. But if it's something that I have to write a substantial check for every month, I simply can't do it. My work and pay is irregular and keeping up with bills is a constant struggle.

If it's something where part of my regular withholding goes to support a plan where I can just walk into any clinic and get care for a reasonable co-pay, I can get behind it. I would even take a few percent higher taxes if that's what it would take. If it's some individualized account thing where the rates change and there is paperwork and regular billing, I just don't want it. Period. There's enough of that crap in the society we've created.

[BlackVelvet04]

32. Do you work for a large employer?

If so they will be required to provide insurance. THIS IS MAJOR. One of the reasons so many Americans are without insurance is because employers quit providing it. This plan would stop that.

If you pick an FEHBP plan I'm sure it would come out of your payroll withholding.

[Jed Dilligan]

33. I am a contractor

I've never had a permanent job in my life and don't expect to

[Jed Dilligan]

18. Nice substantive post

[AGirl]

9. This is the first time I heard a “progressive” whining about bureaucracy.

[JFKgirl]

11. People

Do NOT vote for HRC, she'll garnish your wages to FORCE you to buy Health Insurance from her donors!

She is in the lobbyists back pockets...She wants to make you buy stuff from THEM! Humana, Cigna, United Health Care...etc. are her biggest supporters.

Her idea of Universal Health Care is: government forces you to buy it using your own money, at a price they set, or wages are garnished.

Bullshit Hillary!

[BlackVelvet04]

20. Oh, foolish one....

Obama's plan calls for health insurance as well.

[BlackVelvet04]

8. The insurance companies have access to your credit score and every single

one of your medical records. How intrusive is that?

# Large employers must provide an employee plan or contribute to the cost of coverage.
# Most small employers are not required to offer or contribute to coverage costs but are provided incentives to do so.


Medicaid and SCHIP safety net strengthened “for the most vulnerable populations” to plug gaps, such as lack of coverage for poor, childless adults.

A “retiree health legacy initiative” would provide qualifying public and private sector employers offering retiree health plans with a tax credit to offset catastrophic health expenditures, “as long as savings are dedicated to workers and competitiveness.”

[Jed Dilligan]

12. Yes, but at this time

no one is forcing me to do business with them, and I'm not.

[BlackVelvet04]

17. Which means you are part of the problem....

everyone who doesn't have health insurance is. If you are really unable to pay for anything else they are expanding public help in the form of Medicare and other public programs.

I'm sorry you are having such a tough time financially...it really sucks, but not having health insurance isn't the answer.

[Jed Dilligan]

22. I've had it before and it didn't make me any healthier

What makes me healthier is having enough money to buy organic foods and free-range meats.

[BlackVelvet04]

24. And what will you do if a major illness strikes?

It CAN happen to you in spite of your organic foods and free-range meats.

[Jed Dilligan]

30. Probably kill myself

I don't like to deal with doctors and I have no dependents and I don't plan to live forever.

[BlackVelvet04]

36. I hope not.....

I don't like doctors much myself. I had 4 surgeries in two years. At least two of which were unnecessary. They damn near killed me and of course having had back surgery the insurance companies want to sock it to me on premiums.

[Jed Dilligan]

42. That's the problem

To me, the only acceptable healthcare plan is one where anyone can walk into a hospital and be treated for an affordable fee, which could be waved in cases of demonstrable poverty. Anything else will end up with the kind of mess you experienced in a significant number of cases.

Until you yank private companies out of the system it will go on like this.

[paulk]

41. now there's a compelling argument....

[Jed Dilligan]

43. Not an argument, just my truth

I don't have any religious reasons to suffer needlessly and become a financial burden.

[JFKgirl]

26. EXACTLY

Massesuchusus (sp?) tried Hillarys plan and they are on the verge of a fucking health care crisis. They are all unhappy.

We need to go back to the constitution: i.e Obama. He never failed the bar exam (unlike Hillary), Hllary also didnt read the IWR bill before condemning hundreds of thousands to their deaths. Do I think she has any idea on healthcare? No fucking way. She tried to weasel her way out of answering George.

[BlackVelvet04]

37. Could you share with us the single payer plan your candidate

proposes? Thanks.

[LoveleeRita]

21. Your assessment seems more accurate than most posted

You can't change things without some problems, but it has to start somewhere and her idea is a start

[Hieronymus]

25. Too bad you didn't read Edwards' plan .. his is better.

[AGirl]

27. but he dropped out.

[wain]

29. The logic of your sentence escapes me.

How do you substantiate that expanding provisions for health care lowers the cost of health care? How does the word "overall" qualify your statement? Why disable a good argument with fallacious facts?

[stevietheman]

31. Last time I checked, wage garnishment was REGRESSIVE. n/t

n/t

[BootinUp]

40. DUDE! The premium is based on sliding income scale

[madrchsod]

34. it`s a joke

as is obama`s. john was on the right track and dennis was the best...but john and dennis is gone with any hope of having true health care in america. it`s only going to get worse

[dflprincess]

35. Neither candidate had a plan that can be called progressive.

They're both pushing plans that will see to it that the executives and shareholders of existing health insurance companies will feel little, if any, pain.

I must be stupid because I cannot understand how continuing to line the pockets of the crooks who are currently screwing us on our healthcare can be called reform.