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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:31 PM
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More Obama LIES....Fact check:
Don'tcha just LOVE Barack's positive campaign?:eyes:

Sen. Obama's Speech In Wilmington, DE Contains Four Misleading Attacks On Hillary

2/3/2008 5:18:49 PM

Despite regularly asserting that he is running a positive campaign, Sen. Obama distorted Hillary’s record and laid down a number of misleading attacks today in a speech in Wilmington, DE.

"We expect that John McCain may end up being the nominee. And if John McCain is the nominee, then the Democratic party has to ask itself ‘Do you want a candidate who has similar policies to John McCain on the war in Iraq or someone who can offer a stark contrast?’ See, when I am the nominee, John McCain won’t be able to say that you were for this war in Iraq, because I wasn’t. He won’t be able to say that I followed the Bush-Cheney doctrine in not talking to leaders we don’t like because I don’t. He won’t be able to say that I went along and gave George Bush the benefit of a doubt on Iran because I haven’t. He won’t be able to say that I was unclear about my position on torture because I’ve been absolutely clear we never torture in this country. I can offer a clear and clean break from the failed policies of George W. Bush. I won’t have to explain my votes in the past."

Let’s address Sen. Obama’s allegations one at a time.

First: Sen. Obama begins by criticizing Hillary on Iraq. Sen. Obama does not mention that -- with the exception of Hillary's opposition to the promotion of Iraq war architect Gen. George Casey -- Sen. Obama and Hillary have identical voting records on the Iraq war. Read more here.

Second: Sen. Obama then misrepresents Hillary’s position on diplomacy. Hillary criticized Sen. Obama for pre-committing to a personal meeting in his first year with "with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea." She never said that a president should only meet with America's friends. She also promised vigorous diplomatic efforts with all countries, friend and foe. Read more here.

Third: Sen. Obama then misrepresents Hillary’s position on Iran. In fact, Hillary was one of the earliest and staunchest opponents of Bush’s saber rattling on Iran, and spoke out on the issue back in February:

Hillary made a floor speech declaring that President Bush must get authorization from Congress before taking military action against Iran.

Hillary co-sponsored the Webb bill prohibiting use of funds for military action in Iran without Congressional authorization.

Sen. Obama missed the vote he is now using to attack Hillary. He issued a release 9 hours later and co-sponsored a similar bill in April. The bill was also supported by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL), a staunch anti-war Bush critic and prominent Obama supporter. Read more here and here.

Fourth: Sen. Obama accuses Hillary of changing her policy on torture due to ‘the politics of the moment.’ He couldn’t be more wrong. Hillary met with retired generals, talked with experienced military officers, and read reports commissioned by the Defense Intelligence Agency. She concluded that 'torture cannot be part of American policy, period.'

Sen. Obama laments this kind of politics in his book, Audacity of Hope:

For that is how most of my colleagues, Republican and Democrat, enter the Senate…their words distorted, and their motives questioned.




Fact Check : Sen. Obama’s Iraq War Record

1/9/2008 2:50:08 PM

This morning, Sen. Barack Obama claimed that President Clinton "made several misleading statements about my record" on Iraq. Actually, everything President Clinton said was true:

It is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he has been against the war every year, enumerating the years, and never got asked one time -- not once -- well, how could you say that when you said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution, you said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war, and you took that speech you're now running on off your Web site in 2004, and there is no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since.

In 2004, Sen. Obama said he didn’t know how he would have voted on the Iraq War resolution.

‘When asked about Senators Kerry and Edwards' votes on the Iraq war, Obama said, "I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,’ Mr. Obama said. ‘What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.’

In 2004, Sen. Obama also said there was little difference between his position and George Bush’s position on Iraq:

In a meeting with Chicago Tribune reporters at the Democratic National Convention, Obama said, “On Iraq, on paper, there's not as much difference, I think, between the Bush administration and a Kerry administration as there would have been a year ago. <…> There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage.”

While running for Senate, Sen. Obama acknowledged that he took his anti-war speech off his campaign website, calling it "dated":

Specifically, State Senator Obama maintains that an October 2002 anti-war speech was removed from his campaign web site because “the speech was dated once the formal phase of the war was over, and my staff's desire to continually provide fresh news clips."

Finally, Sen. Obama and Hillary have almost identical voting records on Iraq:

In fact, Obama's Senate voting record on Iraq is nearly identical to Clinton's. Over the two years Obama has been in the Senate, the only Iraq-related vote on which they differed was the confirmation earlier this year of General George Casey to be Chief of Staff of the Army, which Obama voted for and Clinton voted against.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5720

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:41 PM
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1. kick
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:46 AM
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12. kicky poooo
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:42 PM
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2. More swiftboating from Hillary's troopers , we expect no less.
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REDFISHBLUEFISH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:23 PM
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5. Responding to obama's false attacks is swift boating?
NOT!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:36 PM
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6. She's suppose to sit back and let him spew lie, send out FALSE fliers and
do nothing. She should just stay home and bake cookies and keep her mouth shut!:eyes;
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:36 PM
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7. your exageration of calling this swiftboating is Not what I expect from a "UNITED" campaign.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:48 AM
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13. Obamacamp will do anything to win.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:12 PM
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3. K&R
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:19 PM
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4. Where is Hillary's statement in opposition to the invasion of Iraq?
Where is her contemporaneous statement about the INVASION OF IRAQ?

This question has nothing to do with a vote, or her defense of any vote, it's about a war.

Since you are the one who is insisting that you know somehow that she was against it, I'm asking HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?

Did she ever make any contemporaneous statement to that effect?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:39 PM
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8. Did you even bother to read the post? I didn't write this. The
Hillary campaign did, but since you asked:

We have always argued here on DU that this IWR was NEVER meant to give the psycho-in-chief the right to illegally invade Iraq. He was suppose to let the inspectors do their job and they WERE until HE kicked them out.

Video to remind those who wish to change history. The weapons inspectors were doing their job and Bush kicked them OUT so he could ILLEGALLY INVADE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvDe7Z-ykDo

WASHINGTON, D.C. (1/14) After the White House confirmed Wednesday that the Iraq Survey Group headed by Charles Duelfer had halted any further search for nuclear, biological and chemical weapons in Iraq, some are calling for answers. This week, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D - California) said, “Now that the search is finished, President Bush needs to explain to the American people why he was so wrong, for so long, about the reasons for war."

With a new focus on the reasons for the Iraq war, some are questioning whether the war was legal. Under U.S. law, it was not.


The authority under which Bush purportedly acted to go to war in Iraq arose under “House Joint Resolution Authorizing Use of Force Against Iraq, October 10, 2002” (the Iraq Resolution). However, the ostensible "statutory authority" granted to the President to was conditional.


In fact, Congress specifically made that authority, if any, of the President to go to war with Iraq subject to the War Powers Resolution of 1973 (War Powers Act or WPA). The Iraq resolution was definite. “Nothing in this joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.” The Iraq Resolution only granted the President the right to determine whether the standards required by War Powers Act Congress were met.



In other words, the Iraq Resolution was not an authorization to go to war, it was a mandate to follow the standards for war set forth in the War Powers Act. Congress made clear that in 2002, as in 1973, the War Powers Act was, and now is, the law of the land concerning war. Based upon the plain language of the Iraq Resolution, Bush was required by law to meet the conditions of the WPA before going to war with Iraq. He did not.<snip>

<snip>
Was the Wars Powers Act, incorporated in the Iraq Resolution, violated? There was no evidence or finding of an "imminent" threat to the U.S by Iraq, no "national emergency," no hostilities "with or within" Iraq, nor was there any declaration of war with Iraq. The law is specific and requires "clear" evidence of at least one of the foregoing grounds before U.S. troops can be sent to war.<snip>

http://www.themoderntribune.net/iraq_war_violating_the_...

What does the War Powers Act actually SAY?:

The War Powers Act of 1973
Public Law 93-148
93rd Congress, H. J. Res. 542
November 7, 1973
Joint Resolution
Concerning the war powers of Congress and the President.

Resolved by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SHORT TITLE

SECTION 1.
This joint resolution may be cited as the "War Powers Resolution".

PURPOSE AND POLICY

SEC. 2. (a)
It is the purpose of this joint resolution to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgement of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicate by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations.
SEC. 2. (b)
Under article I, section 8, of the Constitution, it is specifically provided that the Congress shall have the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution, not only its own powers but also all other powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
SEC. 2. (c)
The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces. <snip>

http://www.thecre.com/fedlaw/legal22/warpow.htm

The War Poers Act was passed because Congress DID NOT WANT ANOTHER VIET NAM.

Even the WARMONGER, Richard Perle, who encouraged the war, ADMITTED the war is ILLEGAL and Bush had NO RIGHT to invade Iraq. The IWR DID NOT give him permission to invade Iraq and International Law certainly doesn't.

Richard Perle:

"I think in this case international law stood in the way of doing the right thing ... international law ... would have required us to leave Saddam Hussein alone." - Richard Perle

http://www.notinourname.net/war/perle-20nov03.htm


October 10, 2002
Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
on S.J. Res. 45

As Delivered

Today we are asked whether to give the President of the United States authority to use force in Iraq should diplomatic efforts fail to dismantle Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons and his nuclear program.

I am honored to represent nearly 19 million New Yorkers, a thoughtful democracy of voices and opinions who make themselves heard on the great issues of our day especially this one. Many have contacted my office about this resolution, both in support of and in opposition to it, and I am grateful to all who have expressed an opinion.

I also greatly respect the differing opinions within this body. The debate they engender will aid our search for a wise, effective policy. Therefore, on no account should dissent be discouraged or disparaged. It is central to our freedom and to our progress, for on more than one occasion, history has proven our great dissenters to be right.

Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power. He used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds and on Iranians, killing over 20 thousand people. Unfortunately, during the 1980's, while he engaged in such horrific activity, he enjoyed the support of the American government, because he had oil and was seen as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran.

In 1991, Saddam Hussein invaded and occupied Kuwait, losing the support of the United States. The first President Bush assembled a global coalition, including many Arab states, and threw Saddam out after forty-three days of bombing and a hundred hours of ground operations. The U.S.-led coalition then withdrew, leaving the Kurds and the Shiites, who had risen against Saddam Hussein at our urging, to Saddam's revenge.

As a condition for ending the conflict, the United Nations imposed a number of requirements on Iraq, among them disarmament of all weapons of mass destruction, stocks used to make such weapons, and laboratories necessary to do the work. Saddam Hussein agreed, and an inspection system was set up to ensure compliance. And though he repeatedly lied, delayed, and obstructed the inspections work, the inspectors found and destroyed far more weapons of mass destruction capability than were destroyed in the Gulf War, including thousands of chemical weapons, large volumes of chemical and biological stocks, a number of missiles and warheads, a major lab equipped to produce anthrax and other bio-weapons, as well as substantial nuclear facilities.

In 1998, Saddam Hussein pressured the United Nations to lift the sanctions by threatening to stop all cooperation with the inspectors. In an attempt to resolve the situation, the UN, unwisely in my view, agreed to put limits on inspections of designated "sovereign sites" including the so-called presidential palaces, which in reality were huge compounds well suited to hold weapons labs, stocks, and records which Saddam Hussein was required by UN resolution to turn over. When Saddam blocked the inspection process, the inspectors left. As a result, President Clinton, with the British and others, ordered an intensive four-day air assault, Operation Desert Fox, on known and suspected weapons of mass destruction sites and other military targets.

In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad.

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.

Now this much is undisputed. The open questions are: what should we do about it? How, when, and with whom?

Some people favor attacking Saddam Hussein now, with any allies we can muster, in the belief that one more round of weapons inspections would not produce the required disarmament, and that deposing Saddam would be a positive good for the Iraqi people and would create the possibility of a secular democratic state in the Middle East, one which could perhaps move the entire region toward democratic reform.

This view has appeal to some, because it would assure disarmament; because it would right old wrongs after our abandonment of the Shiites and Kurds in 1991, and our support for Saddam Hussein in the 1980's when he was using chemical weapons and terrorizing his people; and because it would give the Iraqi people a chance to build a future in freedom.

However, this course is fraught with danger. We and our NATO allies did not depose Mr. Milosevic, who was responsible for more than a quarter of a million people being killed in the 1990s. Instead, by stopping his aggression in Bosnia and Kosovo, and keeping on the tough sanctions, we created the conditions in which his own people threw him out and led to his being in the dock being tried for war crimes as we speak.

If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan?

So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.

Others argue that we should work through the United Nations and should only resort to force if and when the United Nations Security Council approves it. This too has great appeal for different reasons. The UN deserves our support. Whenever possible we should work through it and strengthen it, for it enables the world to share the risks and burdens of global security and when it acts, it confers a legitimacy that increases the likelihood of long-term success. The UN can help lead the world into a new era of global cooperation and the United States should support that goal.

But there are problems with this approach as well. The United Nations is an organization that is still growing and maturing. It often lacks the cohesion to enforce its own mandates. And when Security Council members use the veto, on occasion, for reasons of narrow-minded interests, it cannot act. In Kosovo, the Russians did not approve NATO military action because of political, ethnic, and religious ties to the Serbs. The United States therefore could not obtain a Security Council resolution in favor of the action necessary to stop the dislocation and ethnic cleansing of more than a million Kosovar Albanians. However, most of the world was with us because there was a genuine emergency with thousands dead and a million driven from their homes. As soon as the American-led conflict was over, Russia joined the peacekeeping effort that is still underway.

In the case of Iraq, recent comments indicate that one or two Security Council members might never approve force against Saddam Hussein until he has actually used chemical, biological, or God forbid, nuclear weapons.

So, Mr. President, the question is how do we do our best to both defuse the real threat that Saddam Hussein poses to his people, to the region, including Israel, to the United States, to the world, and at the same time, work to maximize our international support and strengthen the United Nations?

While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq. I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998.

If we get the resolution that President Bush seeks, and if Saddam complies, disarmament can proceed and the threat can be eliminated. Regime change will, of course, take longer but we must still work for it, nurturing all reasonable forces of opposition.

If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise.

If we try and fail to get a resolution that simply, but forcefully, calls for Saddam's compliance with unlimited inspections, those who oppose even that will be in an indefensible position. And, we will still have more support and legitimacy than if we insist now on a resolution that includes authorizing military action and other requirements giving some nations superficially legitimate reasons to oppose any Security Council action. They will say we never wanted a resolution at all and that we only support the United Nations when it does exactly what we want.

I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial. After shots are fired and bombs are dropped, not all consequences are predictable. While the military outcome is not in doubt, should we put troops on the ground, there is still the matter of Saddam Hussein's biological and chemical weapons. Today he has maximum incentive not to use them or give them away. If he did either, the world would demand his immediate removal. Once the battle is joined, however, with the outcome certain, he will have maximum incentive to use weapons of mass destruction and to give what he can't use to terrorists who can torment us with them long after he is gone. We cannot be paralyzed by this possibility, but we would be foolish to ignore it. And according to recent reports, the CIA agrees with this analysis. A world united in sharing the risk at least would make this occurrence less likely and more bearable and would be far more likely to share with us the considerable burden of rebuilding a secure and peaceful post-Saddam Iraq.

President Bush's speech in Cincinnati and the changes in policy that have come forth since the Administration began broaching this issue some weeks ago have made my vote easier. Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.

Because bipartisan support for this resolution makes success in the United Nations more likely, and therefore, war less likely, and because a good faith effort by the United States, even if it fails, will bring more allies and legitimacy to our cause, I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go way with delay will oppose any UN resolution calling for unrestricted inspections.

This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.

And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation. I want this President, or any future President, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war. Secondly, I want to insure that Saddam Hussein makes no mistake about our national unity and for our support for the President's efforts to wage America's war against terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. And thirdly, I want the men and women in our Armed Forces to know that if they should be called upon to act against Iraq, our country will stand resolutely behind them.

My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.

Over eleven years have passed since the UN called on Saddam Hussein to rid himself of weapons of mass destruction as a condition of returning to the world community. Time and time again he has frustrated and denied these conditions. This matter cannot be left hanging forever with consequences we would all live to regret. War can yet be avoided, but our responsibility to global security and to the integrity of United Nations resolutions protecting it cannot. I urge the President to spare no effort to secure a clear, unambiguous demand by the United Nations for unlimited inspections.

And finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am.

So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.

Thank you, Mr. President.

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:36 AM
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11. Did you even bother to read my question? You avoid answering it.
I know she made a statement when she voted. I told you that already, go read my question again. Because that isn't my question.

If one of us is intent on rewriting history, I can assure you that it isn't me. Do you remember the largest demonstrations in the history of the world?

The largest public demonstrations in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD! Do you remember?

Rome, Paris, SanFran, NY, London. Do you remember? Where is Hillary's contemporaneous denunciation of the invasion?

Where is it? I'll tell you where it is, it doesn't exist because she didn't oppose it!

Now do you understand?

Hubby Bill was all for it too. His first public interview after leaving the Whitehouse was to gin up support for the invasion.

How do I know? Because I actually let him change my mind with his rhetoric, until I came back to my senses. He had some extra-legal reason for wanting to go in after Saddam, and he was making public statements to that effect. I KNOW he was, because he CHANGED MY MIND on the issue, if only briefly. He is very persuasive. I remember after listening to him carefully, thinking and saying to others that if we do invade, we shouldn't do it just because we were afraid of Saddam. We had better reasons of international law that had to be enforced, and for a much higher purpose than just responding to fear of a madman. HA! Where did I get that from? I got it from Bill Clinton speaking about the impending invasion, that's where.

So, do you understand my question now? Is there any CONTEMPORANEOUS statement that she made in opposition to the invasion (or that anybody else made, for that matter, except for the millions and millions of people making a silent, Pyrrhic statement in the streets)?

If I am wrong about this then I am just honestly misremembering the whole thing. Can you offer any proof at all that I'm wrong? I can't find any statement that she, or anybody else in the party leadership, made opposing the invasion.

Can you? Or do you also remember the media blackout of the largest demonstrations in the history of the world? With no one in Washington even mentioning that they ever happened?

Huh? Tell me where I'm wrong, please.

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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:20 PM
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14. BS. The Authorization for use of military force against Iraq was designed to satisfy the WPR.
You can say up and down that it did not, but the plain fact of the matter is that it did.

Specifically, the 2002 resolution stated:
The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq;



Section 5 (b) of the WPR states:
Within sixty calendar days after a report is submitted or is required to be submitted pursuant to section 4(a)(1), whichever is earlier, the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces with respect to which such report was submitted (or required to be submitted), unless the Congress (1) has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces, (2) has extended by law such sixty-day period, or (3) is physically unable to meet as a result of an armed attack upon the United States. Such sixty-day period shall be extended for not more than an additional thirty days if the President determines and certifies to the Congress in writing that unavoidable military necessity respecting the safety of United States Armed Forces requires the continued use of such armed forces in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of such forces.


So, the WPR limits what the president can do without a declaration of war by congress. It forces the president to report within 48 hours of taking action and to cease military action within 60 days of that report.

Except it gives 3 circumstances under which that military action can be continued. The first of these is if Congress has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of the US armed forces.

And in the 2002 resolution we have section 3 (c) (1):

Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

They put right in the 2002 resolution that it satisfied the specific authorization of requirement of the WPR and as such it allows the president to continue to use military force without further authorization or a declaration of war from Congress.

Your posting is correct in saying that the 2002 resolution does not supersede the WPR. It doesn't have to supersede it, it satisfies the WPR.


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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:40 PM
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9. This is all that he can run on?
Come ON, Barack. Give me some real distinctions between the 2 of you.

I'll give you one: I know where Hillary stands. For real. Not just hopeful words, but actual actions.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:50 PM
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10. He's a pompous ass school teacher.
A Ken Copeland fairy dust sprinkling bullshitter.

What he knows about international policy could be put in a shot glass.

What Hillary knows wouldn't fit in the Superdome.
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