For those of you who can't stand Reid and Pelosi...how do you square your

[xultar]

dislike of them with the fact that they are trying to work with the republicans to get shit done..with your candidate's stance of working with the republicans?

[Ian David]

1. Bipartisanship with Republicans is date-rape. n/t

[xultar]

4. I thought your candidate supports Bipartisanship.

:shrug:

[Ian David]

8. They both do. Doesn't mean I like it. n/t

[peace13]

2. You can't work with the Rthugs.

They will pork you every time. Impeach and set the record straight that America is a country of laws for all. That is the only way to turn this ship around. Peace, Kim

[ShortnFiery]

3. Because he's not part of "the old guard" insider D.C. political insiders, especially the DLC clutch.

;)

We're sick of gridlock or "talking smack" and then folding like cheap suits.

[flyarm]

11. oh really?? you better check this out..of a NY paper...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/dlc-leaders-cut-edwards-out/

January 11, 2008, 2:34 pm
D.L.C. Leaders Cut Edwards Out
By Ariel Alexovich

As would be expected, the two gentlemen from the Democratic Leadership Council on a conference call today told reporters they’re very confident in their party’s chances of reclaiming the White House, they’re happy that substantive issues are being discussed…
And then Al From, the D.L.C. founder, said he was “very happy about the two candidates” Americans are considering.
Only two candidates?
Our ears perked up as we listened on.
“This is a really hard choice, really, for Democratic voters because they like both candidates,” said Mr. From. “For me, I don’t see that going to be a problem. I think in the end, Senator Obama’s appeal that he’s made very firmly and directly to independent voters, and Senator Clinton’s appeal to the forgotten middle class are going to add up to a very smashing Democratic majority in the fall.”
“This is not uncommon in primaries to see this kind of passionate support for one’s candidate,” added Harold Ford Jr., the D.L.C. chairman and a former Tennessee congressman.
Well, O.K. But what about John Edwards? He beat Mrs. Clinton in Iowa, as one reporter pointed out, but Mr. From still doesn’t think Mr. Edwards is viable.

I’m not going to speculate where the Edwards people go because I don’t know, to be honest with you. I think Edwards has run a hard, tough campaign. It’s not a, you know, he doesn’t take the tack that necessarily I agree with. What we’ve seen so far in this campaign is optimism. …
I think what you’re saying is that this is moving into a two-person race and that people in the race have been optimistic and hopeful, and I think that bodes well for the party because in the end, as long as I’ve been in politics — and I’m a lot older than 37 — the optimism always beats pessimism.

[Critters2]

12. Thank you for this. nt

[UALRBSofL]

18. So I can see the enthusiasm in the post but

It also seems to imply it was predetermined that Edwards would have to drop out. Am I interpreting this right?

[flyarm]

14. and do read this........

http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/17021/why-the-dlc-supports-obama-and-clinton/

Why the DLC supports Obama and Clinton?
January 11th, 2008 by Paul Silver

The actual title to this blog post at the New York Times was D.L.C. Leaders Cut Edwards Out

Democratic Leadership Council on a conference call today told reporters they’re “very happy about the two candidates” Americans are considering…I think in the end, Senator Obama’s appeal that he’s made very firmly and directly to independent voters, and Senator Clinton’s appeal to the forgotten middle class are going to add up to a very smashing Democratic majority in the fall.”…

During the rest of the call, the two men said they were pleased that none of the Democratic candidates supports a single-payer health care system, that they are all taking the environment seriously, and that they’re focusing on national security — a strength that Mr. From admits, “we’ve not always had.”

The DLC has a moderate temperament and I believe they are more comfortable supporting incremental, rather than radical, change.

While it may be inevitable that the US will move to a single payer health system, a large fraction of the country may not be ready for this. Getting everyone insured and kids covered through SCHIP is a near term goal that a high percentage of citizen’s can endorse. Once this is accomplished more people may be open to taking further steps.

Effective leadership requires not outrunning your constituents.

[flyarm]

15. and don't miss this..........

http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2008/1/11/18031/2944

there are some very pissed off Edwards people ...me included..

fly

[Atman]

5. We don't need the Republicans' shit done. We need the Republicans done.

I can't even believe you asked that question. THE PEOPLE THE REPRESENT have stated very clearly that they don't want them to compromise and play kissy face with the evil corporatist bastards. We want things to happen which will benefit Joe America, which make up 98% of the population. "Compromising" with the corporate whores is the same as selling out those 98%.

.

[xultar]

7. Well both Obama and Clinton are corporatist.

[Ian David]

9. We're choosing, once again, between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. n/t

[Jim Sagle]

10. One is a corporate Democrat while the other is a stealth Republican.

[Atman]

13. I agree, they both suck

But why reach across the aisle. Block everything. Who gives a fuck about compromise. We have to lay on our LOCAL and STATE reps far more heavily to make them understand that they are supposed to represent US and therefore we don't want to hear about their sell-out corporate bullshit. If they start backing we the people, the words "We the People..." might actuall begin to mean something again.

.

[Dogmudgeon]

6. It's a Mystery of the Faith!

How did Jesus defeat the Nazis at Waterloo?

How did Mary Magdalene achieve enlightenment under the Bodhi tree without an E-Meter?

How did the Giants win the Superbowl?

Ya gotta believe!

--p!

[MadMaddie]

16. The question should be asked - I have no problem with either

candidate..as long as it's a Democratic candidate and eventually a Democratic President.


The key is with all of the resiging and or retiring Republicans in the Senate and House.

Will the Democratic party have an overwheliming majority so assholes like Lieberman cannot impact votes?

The Republicans are liars and have backstabbed the Demcratic leadership every chance they have had. And of course being Democratic members our representatives believe well the next time the Republicans will honor their words and promises. And low and behold they drive the dagger in the Democratic members back...like groundhogs day..

Fuck the Republicans currently in Congress they neither deserve respect nor the decency the Democratic leaders have shown them. That's all...

[flyarm]

17. i have a setious problem with both..how many times do we have to hold our nose...

i just don't know if i can do it again and look in the mirror!
it would be more like hugging the bowl with a gag reaction ...

fly

[derby378]

19. My disappointment with Reid and Pelosi has no bearing on my choice for Prez

And honestly, the way things are going, I just might vote for Mike Gravel.