"False hope"

[ProSense]

Hillary gets desperate, likens Obama to Bush

Let's compare:

"So, you know, I think it is clear that what we need is somebody who can deliver change. And we don't need to be raising the false hopes of our country about what can be delivered. The best way to know what change I will produce is to look at the changes that I've already made." -- Hillary Clinton

"It's not fair" to raise false hopes " -- Laura Bush

"In my 25 years in Washington, I have never seen a more loathsome display of demagoguery. Hope is good. False hope is bad. Deliberately, for personal gain, raising false hope in the catastrophically afflicted is despicable." -- Charles Krauthammer

Yes. We. Can

(video)

"We've been warned against offering the people of this nation false hope. But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." -- Barack Obama

[jlake]

1. That is a real stretch even for you.

Let's see what generic phrases have been used by Obama and others.... it means they share the same ideology after all.
:eyes:

[bidenista]

2. "in the unlikely story that is america, there has never been anything false about hope"

This is vacuous. There have been plenty of false hopes in the US' history. I wish Obama would occasionally make the effort to speak something other than platitudes.

[chascarrillo]

3. I take it you missed the dozens of debates.

I think most of them are archived on the internets. You should watch a few of them.

[sandnsea]

4. It was a creed written into the founding documents...

For when we have faced down impossible odds, when we've been told we're not ready or that we shouldn't try or that we can't, generations of Americans have responded with a simple creed that sums up the spirit of a people: Yes, we can. Yes, we can. Yes, we can.


It was a creed written into the founding documents that declared the destiny of a nation: Yes, we can.


It was whispered by slaves and abolitionists as they blazed a trail towards freedom through the darkest of nights: Yes, we can.


It was sung by immigrants as they struck out from distant shores and pioneers who pushed westward against an unforgiving wilderness: Yes, we can.


It was the call of workers who organized, women who reached for the ballot, a president who chose the moon as our new frontier, and a king who took us to the mountaintop and pointed the way to the promised land: Yes, we can, to justice and equality.


Yes, we can, to opportunity and prosperity. Yes, we can heal this nation. Yes, we can repair this world. Yes, we can.


And so, tomorrow, as we take the campaign south and west, as we learn that the struggles of the textile workers in Spartanburg are not so different than the plight of the dishwasher in Las Vegas, that the hopes of the little girl who goes to the crumbling school in Dillon are the same as the dreams of the boy who learns on the streets of L.A., we will remember that there is something happening in America, that we are not as divided as our politics suggest, that we are one people, we are one nation.


And, together, we will begin the next great chapter in the American story, with three words that will ring from coast to coast, from sea to shining sea: Yes, we can.

[maddiejoan]

5. Yes.

I'll enjoy watching everyone unite, while me and my queer friends can "enjoy a basic set of rights"

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4043827&mesg_id=4043827

[sandnsea]

8. Stop distorting what the man says

He's talking about providing the basic set of rights of marriage and you know it. He's the one that is speaking up for gay rights in his campaign speeches and the one who has the true record on gay rights legislation. Hillary is the one whose husband blames gays for the 2004 loss because Kerry didn't make sure all the black ministers in red state America knew that he opposed gay marriage. I don't know what the attraction to Hillary is in the gay community, but it's time some people stopped with Viva la Diva and started remembering that the Clinton record seriously doesn't match the rhetoric.

[Tarc]

10. One doesn't speak for gay rights while bringing a bigot

on-board for a speaking tour. That is rather two-faced.

[sandnsea]

12. You sure have the talking points down

I put talking points titans on ignore. You're almost there.

[Tarc]

17. Might as well do it now, chief.

Putting one's hands over ears and yelling "la la la!" when you hear something you do not like is something you may grow out of once puberty hits.

Watch out for the voice-cracking too, its a lady-killer!

[maddiejoan]

14. Obama's record on LGBT

doesn't line up with his thinking.

Obama has said he has personal and religious problems with same-sex marriage.

Obama treats people who are anti-gay as if they just have a policy difference with LGBT rights.

I know he's talking about marriage --and here's the quote.

"Giving them a set of basic rights would allow them to experience their relationship and live their lives in a way that doesn't cause discrimination," Obama said. "I think it is the right balance to strike in this society."

Excuuuuuuuuuuse me?

"That doesn't cause discrimination"?

Oooooh good goin', Obama --blame the victim!

Basic set of rights, my ass --what is that? Like the Fisher-Price version of rights? See how them queers do with basic rights first? "Give" them to me?

I already have them according to the Constitution. Thank you very much.

[Tarc]

6. He's already a half-step off of Reagan in some respects

So can a Bush link really be that off the mark? :shrug:

[ProSense]

7. "So can a Bush link really be that off the mark? " Apparently not:

Hillary "has always had a good personal relationship with the president"

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[ProSense]

11. "Try again, troll." Idiocy! n/t

[Tarc]

13. And he falls back on a strawman to duck out of the argument

Typical of a coward backed into a corner, and about what I expect from you lately.

[ProSense]

16. Wait the "troll" comment wasn't a strawman? "Typical of a coward backed into a corner"

You're moronic!

[ForRusty]

15. If you guys think Obama will actually change Washington... Well... Your all hopeless. nt