Obama Supporters Want to Kill Health Care Reform

[OzarkDem]

Is your slavish support of a celebrity candidate worth making our health care system worse than ever? Obama's Harry & Louise "win at all costs" approach will destroy any meaningful effort at reforming our system of providing health care in the US. I'm not saying it "might" it will.

Why are you willing to destroy our health care system just to support a poorly designed health care plan proposed by a candidate who didn't do his homework?

[joshcryer]

1. Harry & Louise cemented it for me. I didn't catch wif of it until last night.

It's incredible what they are up to. Completely assinine.

[rodeodance]

20. I thought it was terrible of Obama to use that ad

[cali]

2. ho hum. another day, another profoundly stupid post from you.

First of all, there is not health care system to destroy, genius. Secondly, although I support Obama, I think Clinton's plan is marginally better, but the two plans share far, far more than they differ.

And of course, you don't know what will happen. Hell, even Paul Krugman doesn't. No one does.

If you're voting solely on healthcare reform, I can see choosing Clinton over Obama, but I'm not a moronic single issue voter. I take many issues into account.

You are full of s**t.

[OzarkDem]

3. Your post just proves you have zero credibility

Go watch Faux News, your favorite TV show.

[cali]

9. LOL! sorry, cupcake

I don't have TV. Period. I've never even seen Fox news, pumpkin. You are so full of it. You don't know jackshit- as you've demonstrated in one mindless crap post after another.

[Tarc]

10. The only sorry thing here is you, pop tart

Obama not only praises Reagan, now he is aping the Gingrich Republicans in running the same style of ads that helped kill the 90's version of health care reform.

[joshcryer]

4. Well, the likelihood that he can get a mandate now is much lower, that's for damn sure.

It's possible, but highly unlikely, because it will be thrown back in his face. We can only see what happens, depending on who gets nominated, but he did do a great disservice to a universial health care system.

[usregimechange]

5. That is completely false

[sidwill]

6. I guess the Hillbots got their marching orders today: "Scare them on Health care"

Who has taken more moolah from the health care industry?

Hillary

Who is Michael Moore supporting?

Obama

Your scare tactics ring false hillbot.

[adabfree]

7. yep

im with you!!!

[joshcryer]

8. Guys, it's clear, Obama's health care plan is inferior. And his Harry and Louise ads were dispicible

Admit it!

[OzarkDem]

11. Agree, Obama's willing to destroy his own plan's chances

The same arguments he uses against Clinton's plan will be used against his own or any reform plan that isn't pretty much status quo.

[rodeodance]

23. Perhaps you missed the Rovain Fear threads yesterday by the Obamsbabies?--

[Avalux]

12. Uh, no. Your candidate will create a plan to benefit her ins. and pharma cos.

Her plan will be structured much the same as medicare part B; allowing only certain high cost drugs vs. generics.

She will garnish wages forcing people to 'buy' her plan; money directly to private insurance cos.

I don't call that reform; just another version of what we already have.

[newmajority]

13. Hillary's Romneycare II is NOT Healthcare Reform, it's mandatory corporatization

I'd prefer the HR 676 approach myself, but you stand a better chance of getting to there from Obama's approach than from the Hillary version where everybody would be forcibly "covered" by her corporate contributors.

[RoadRage]

14. Obama has a plan that could possibly pass with Bi-Partisian support. Clinton does not. NT

[adapa]

16. At least she tries to move us to Universal health care-O's plan attempts to reduce costs which will

be eatten up by the healthcare/insurance companys in a few years. If O's plan is enacted, & costs are reduced it will be temporary. Garenteed within 3-5 years the costs will be right back were they are today. Hillary's plan is a fundimental change- whats your guys saying- a change in mind set. O's plan is just more of the same old, same old.

[rodeodance]

24. and he admits it leaves out millions!

[adapa]

15. most of the people voting for O don't remember Harry & Louise

[rodeodance]

28. well, they are getting the re-run now and seem to be glad the disgusting ad is running!!

[adapa]

30. link- Note the lie- "pay a penalty"

http://www.politico.com/pdf/PPM44_080130_nd_obama_hrc_healthcare_plan_forces_health_insurance2.pdf

[K Gardner]

17. As a Board Certified Emergency Nurse who spends grueling days and nights in a

Level One Trauma Center, piecing people back together and treating by the hundreds those who have been failed by this broken system, and as one who is a member of one of the strongest nurses unions in the country and who lobbies for HR 676 every. single. day.. your post is supremely insulting and immature.

I support Obama. His health plan isn't perfect, but guess what bud.. neither was Edwards and neither is Hillarys. But we're not going to get HR 676 RIGHT NOW. And we have to start somewhere.

You are obviously bitter and upset and angry. Please find something productive to do with your time and energy. You're not changing anyone's mind with your insults and you're embarassing yourself.

[rodeodance]

27. IP has turned on its head nearly everything dished out by Obamacampers

all day long, thread after thread of abusive Clinton hatred-fear tactics.
For the most part their posts were "supremely insulting and immature."

yes, it is tit or tat--but nice to see it dished back the other way.

[Renew Deal]

18. lol, the irony

Hillary is a celebrity candidate. She famous for marrying Bill. Should would never have been senator of NY if she didn't marry him.

Secondly, if Hillary's health care plan can't take a little scrutiny from Democrats, it's will never pass.

Obama has a meaningful health care plan and it will solve the pressing problems that are immediately solvable. Hillary's plan will never pass.

[Tatiana]

19. Since when do presidents pass legislation?

Quite frankly, on the issue of health care, all we need from either candidate is to sign a good bill. It doesn't have to be Clinton's plan or Obama's plan. Neither plan will ever come to fruition if we don't elect a Congress that will pass true health care reform legislation.

The real question to ask ourselves is whether either candidate would sign a single-payer bill.

[K Gardner]

21. You've hit the proverbial nail on the head with this succint response !

[jacksonian]

26. quite frankly, we need a pres who is championing the issue

because without a strong mover nothing will get through the herd of cats that is Congress.

Say what you will, Obama has weakened his barganing position on this issue. Why is the more interesting question. I'm having a hard time seeing why a progressive politician is so half-way on this really key issue.

[Tatiana]

29. If you watched the last debate, both of them punted on the issue of single-payer.

Hillary basically said it wouldn't happen, so here's the next best thing.

Obama, in my opinion is in favor of single-payer (Hillary caught him fudging on that one), but doesn't think it has the political traction yet as a national platform.

NONE of the Big Three would touch single-payer, even though two of them (Edwards and Obama) seemed to favor it at one time. So it comes back to Congress.

Hillary Clinton is not likely to sign a single-payer health care bill. Obama is. I see Obama's plan as a bridge or stepping-stone to a national single-payer system. The health insurance industry is HUGE and one president cannot take on such an industry alone. The movement must come from the citizens and grassroots.

On edit: I agree that it is ideal for the president to be out front on this issue. But I tend to think we give the executive too much power. Our legislators should be out front on this issue, first and foremost, and the president should be supportive of a good plan that the majority of Americans can support. The minimum wage bill and CHIP legislation were drafted and passed by a Democratic Congress that actually did their job without the support of the president. There is no reason why the issue of health care should be any different.

[jacksonian]

32. but I see the path from Hillary's plan to single payer

and that path is specifically what is missing from Obama's.

[QC]

22. Who needs health care when you have HOPE!!!??? n/t

[Milo_Bloom]

25. His plan is no better and no worse than that of Edwards...

IN short, they both sucked.

[demo dutch]

31. One more reason for Indies to vote McCain!