Clinton has run a terrible campaign

[Onlooker]

Why in the world would we want her as our nominee, even if she is the best candidate? The fact is her campaign has squandered huge leads, got embroiled in charges of racism, failed to galvanize women support nearly as much as Obama united black support, forced her not to apologize for her IWR vote (even though she can't defend it), and lost major endorsements with such frequency that it almost seems like they took it for granted. Except for her debate performances, she has not run the kind of campaign that could beat a Reublican. Obama has. There is a lot not to like about Obama, but his campaign is connecting with people and is being run professionally. If his campaign maintains its sophistication and finds ways to overcome Republican attacks, the next election will be a very very good one for Democrats.

[blm]

1. I was thinking that earlier this morning. She's made more gaffes than Dean and Kerry ever

did for their ENTIRE campaigns put together.

TeamClinton has been boasting to Dems since Nov2004 that THEY were the only ones who could run a perfect campaign.

Geez - imagine if Hillary Clinton had run in 2003 and 2004 with the corporate media in total thrall with Bush and Rove then - what kind of breaks would she have gotten on their mounting numbers of gaffes and mistakes?

[Dems Will Win]

12. She's also out of money and not allowed to raise anymore from her maxed out big donors

The Clintons were only able to put up ads in 12 states and one was NY!!

Stick a fork in her, she's done.

[Lucinda]

14. You do know she has a live, hour long broadcast on tonight right?

That may or may not prove to have been a wise investment. I guess we'll know soon enough.

[no name no slogan]

27. Hey, it worked for Perot, right?

Oh, wait...

[niceypoo]

26. She has had every little thing she has said blown out of proportion by a lazy media

who are too lazy to go out and fact check. The media did the same thing to Al Gore in 2000, the republicans went through every single statement or piece of legislation that Gore had ever made, took them wildly out of context and painted Gore as a serial liar with it. The media, too lazy to actually do its job, just ran with whatever the republicans claimed. The same thing is happening this time to Hillary and Obama is running with whatever the media is obsessing over on any given day.

I have yet to see any substance from Obama. He goes along with the media, playing the victim, and never runs on the issues. Slogans and the victim card.

[blm]

28. Isn't that EXACTLY what Hillary Camp DERIDED Gore and Kerry for the last 8yrs while

they sat on their asses and wouldn't use their cache to FIGHT ANY SMEAR from the RoveBush machine?

Hillary camp JOINED IN the smears and attacks against those two and gave them further life by calling Gore and Kerry wimps for not getting their defenses heard.

Well - how does it feel when it's happening to YOUR camp, Hill? Too bad you worked against Gore and Kerry all those years just to be BEATEN in the primary you planned for 8 years.

[1corona4u]

2. Obama has run a deceitful campaign...

promising shit he can't deliver.

[RoadRage]

17. yeah.. like a health care plan that could actually pass, but doesn't have as nice of sound bite?

Like actually stating a date for withdrawl from Iraq?

What SHIT is it that he can't deliver, but what exactly is Clinton promising that she's going to start doling out on day one of her administration?

[1corona4u]

20. LOL...

TSFW.

[chascarrillo]

18. Keep hate alive!

[1corona4u]

19. Thanks!! As long as the O supporters do...

so will I.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

3. I disagree.

Of course she's made some mistakes, but I think overall she's run a very good campaign. Unfortunately, certain things are beyond the control of even the most tightly run campaign. She's an establishment candidate running in an atmosphere where people are very pissed off at the establishment. She is who she is, and no amount of campaign finesse is going to convince anybody that Hillary Clinton is not Hillary Clinton.

Edit to add: On the racism thing - this is the only thing that pisses me off. I'm pretty much convinced that her campaign decided on an organized strategy of attempting to marginalize Obama as a "black" candidate. They seem to have stopped doing this now, thank God.

[sniffa]

4. I thought it was flawless

:hide:

[BootinUp]

5. Well thats your opinion. The huge leads were always

on name recognition. Obama is a strong candidate no doubt, but we have yet to see if voters think his pluses add up to more than hers.

[CreekDog]

6. She's using players and playbooks from 1996

While I think she has been in politics and in the White House long enough for it to be an advantage in terms of experience and understanding how things work, I think her judgement is not very good, certainly not politically.

Her advisors are not people whom I would choose and they haven't served her well.

Say what you will about Obama, but he has assembled a campaign staff and message that indicates a lot sharper judgement than all of Hillary's vaunted experience has given her.

[MethuenProgressive]

8. Check Obama's crew - scores of old Clintonistas.

Kinda knocks down your strawman.

[CreekDog]

10. that's a fair point, of course he has gotten Clinton advisors

she would've been better served by the staff that he assembled.

so why did she pick her crew? are they really that good? i think she picked them because they won in 1996, not because they are good.

my argument wasn't such a strawman.

nothing wrong with using the old players but update the damn plays.

[KoKo]

31. Her GURU Mark Penn and the DLC...she should have cut them loose!

Unless she's so tied to them she can't function without him. Maybe if Obama does great tomorrow she will revise her staff...but that's hard to do at this point since so many of her junior WH staff went over to Obama.

[EFerrari]

13. Obama's marketing has been so much sharper.

Someone at that campaign really knows what they're doing.

[MethuenProgressive]

7. The Obamas Swiftboating of Clinton on race worked well in SC.

That, and his support of Republicans when they're allowed to vote in our Primaries, can't be blamed on Hillary.

[pampango]

21. Yep, Obama successfully employed the Jackson/Sharpton campaign strategy

to win the SC primary and proceed on to win the nomination, just as they did. :(

Once he had proven he could transcend race and appeal to white voters I see no long term benefit in him reinventing himself as a Jackson or Sharpton in oder to win a small state primary and lose the nomination to a largely white electorate, just as they did. (I do agree with you that if Obama injected race into the SC primary he deserves to lose the nomination. Not only would he have been unethical, but incredibly STUPID.)

[xultar]

9. But think about it. Bush is EXCELLENT at it. Bush and the GOP have the talking points

the coordinated attacks, the cute buzz phrases, they can make it so that you feel left out if you are not on board.
They successfully ran a if you're not with me you're against me...so fall the fuck in line.

The GOP can make the sheeple think anything they want them to think. Basically, that is what a good campaign is being able to make people think what you want them to think.

Is that what you want in a president? You want a president that can put on a good show while fucking shit up so far out of sight...that by the time you find out it is too late to fix it?

I agree she's run a horrible campaign. But that makes me realise more than ever that she is human and makes mistakes and not a machine.

[blm]

24. Except the entire Hill team was attacking Kerry's campaign and undermining it throughout

2003 and 2004 and smeared it as mistake-prone afterwards to push the APPEARANCE that they are the only ones who CAN run a perfect campaign.

Kerry made fewer mistakes his entire campaign than Hillary has just in this primary race.

And if Hillary's guy Terry McAuliffe had secured the election process the way he was SUPPOSED TO in the four years after 2000s theft, it would be Kerry running for re-election right now after bringing home the last troops from Iraq.

Aren't we lucky to have Terry McAuliffe as a leader in our party?

[havocmom]

11. And if Mark Penn is indicative of the types of people she would hire as President...

x(

[Tatiana]

15. Actually, I would say that it was a well-oiled machine that lost a few wheels along the way.

Mark Penn, Carville, and those of that ilk don't serve her campaign best, in my opinion. Throw in her husband's ill-received comments/strategy, and you have a mess. Hillary is the best thing about her campaign, because even though the people around her do many things that could sink her campaign, she still keeps the boat afloat.

Obama, I think, has a better team that is a good mix of local and beltway politics.

[blm]

30. Clinton's team is embracing an old strategy with Rovian twists not thinking about

the years of loathing built up in the Dem party FOR that type of campaigning and that type of governing.

Their campaign machine has already shown it is more fargile and creaky than Dems ever expected when they began this primary race.

And the newer machine that is proving a whole lot CLEANER and attractive is the one propelling Obama and the progressive wing of the party.

[DURHAM D]

16. Nothing wrong with Hillary's campaign.

The press has carried Obama and have greatly enjoy the major part they have played in splitting the Democratic Party.

[CreekDog]

22. If Hillary had his staff would she be in better shape now?

If the answer is yes, then why doesn't she?

[jasmine621]

23. If Hillary had his endorsements and the his MSM support she would be

way ahead. I am a strong supporter of HC and always will be. But the way I see this party going now I am willing to pass on this election and let Obama have it because the shit that the Dem party will itsself throw at the Clintons would be too much to bear. Instead of touting the Bill Clinton terms as something to be proud of and pushed to be remembered by the country, the Obama faction of the Dem party has set out to destroy it along with the media and the Republicans. I don't think the Clintons deserve this kind of treatment. Right now, I hope the race goes to Obama because an ungrateful nation does not deserve the Clintons.

[thevoiceofreason]

34. You are right

It's not the campaign, it's the candidate

[niceypoo]

25. Obama is running on false hope

He is running misleading ads claiming that the republicans will join him on health care. This is obviously designed to lure young voters who might fall prey to this intentionally misleading line of rhetoric.

The Democrats have fallen for this line over and over and over again and every time the republicans have screwed them over. The current congress is the latest incarnation of this fallacy. Republicans dont do unity with Democrats, they never have and never will.

[closeupready]

29. You've summed up my feeling, as well, onlooker.

I really didn't want to support Obama, but I'm disgusted with how Clinton's campaign has been run, disgusted with her health care plan, and gonna support Obama. Though you are correct, he is far from perfect.

[TheDonkey]

32. Well her crying emotion chip will get her a few votes

[bigtree]

33. sez you!

[ErnestoG]

35. Hillary's message: "Who cares about my actions ? It's my turn dammit!"