Mike Barnacle: There is huge resentment and animosity among D.C. Establishment against The Clintons

[K Gardner]

Just on MSNBC, a discussion between Mike Barnacle and David Shuster regarding the palpable distaste toward the Clintons and the way they feel they are seemingly entitled to super delegates and support. They say if Obama does well tomorrow, expect a HUGE BLAST of endorsements from Super Delegates, as many are hanging back in the wings to see if the monstrous crowds translate into votes. Remember, they said, that most of these delegates are elected officials and they SEE the momentum and enthusiasm of their constituents for Change.

[UALRBSofL]

1. MSNBC has attacked the Clinton's

For weeks so I don't see this new information as any different.

[K Gardner]

2. Sorry.. this wasn't something they just "made up".

[jasmine621]

14. No it is not "made up." The DC establishment has always disliked

the Clinton. Remember, Bill Clinton was NOT one of them. He was poor, sourthern, white, and genuinely liked and respected blacks long before it was fashinable among the power elites in the Dem party. Sure, many of them touted supporting Affirmative Action, civil rights, and the popular movements that gave them political support among the working classes but they never embraced and personally associated themselves with these people like the Clintons. Now Obama represents a black, whose mother was white and who was raised by two adoring and loving white grandparents. Surely, he will not frighten these establishment elites because can identify with whites as easily as he can with blacks. This is not a bad thing but it is something to consider. A lot of the Clinton hate came from INSIDE the Dem elite establishment who always resented this poor "white scum" being able to defy conventional wisdom and garner the WH twice. They felt that way about Carter also. There is no love lost between them and Jimmy Carter either. When you check out Obama's background and the Clinton's backgrounds you will see that Obama's background more closely mirrors the so-called "establishment elites" than does the Clinton's. Remember how Carter was attacked over Billy Carter and Clinton was attacked about his half-brother. No common working folks much care about beer-drinking, brawling family members. In fact, they can easily identify with them. But who are the people who would embarrassed and offended by such behavior within the First Family? It's not Obama's fault nor is it the Clinton's fault. We don't get to choose our parents and siblings. But I am just pointing out a few historical facts about how people think...or don't think in this country.

[papau]

6. I agree - NBC/GE is selling Obama on all channels - began in Dec before Iowa

Obama is the corporate candidate because he agreed to waterdown Health care reform and last spring assured the corps via that interview that he believed in small steps

my own industry (insurance) is pushing for an Obama victory.

[unc70]

29. Even Jack Welch was pushing Obama on Mikka in the Morning (I mean Morning Joe)

An exciting candidate he wouldn't personally vote for was what I heard (same for Joe), although I wasn't listening very closely at the time.

[avaistheone1]

3. Regardless of how the Super Delegates feel about any of the candidates -

I think it is a joke on the electoral system how much voting power the Super Delegates have. Why bother having the primaries? Just let the super delegates appoint someone we can then all salute.

[K Gardner]

5. Totally agree about the ridiculous voting power of the SDs !

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

4. DC Establishment doesn't like her?

That doesn't necessarily sound like a bad thing.

Unless DC Establishment controls the outcome of super-tuesday/mardi-gras/paczki-day

[blm]

8. Establishment POWERSTRUCTURE loves Clintons. Problem is the progressive Dem wing

of the party have NOT been happy with what the Clintons have done to sell out their issues as they have sought to triangulate EVERYTHING to the RW's advantage for years.

The Kennedy Dems v Clinton Dems have been butting heads for over a decade now and corpmedia is just catching up.

[mod mom]

12. Clinton represents the DC establishment-the same folks who urged silence over stolen elections

that caused 8 years of bu$h.

[tridim]

17. And silence over 9/11 questions too. n t

[NC_Nurse]

7. The Clinton baggage is legendary.

They have stepped on a lot of toes over the years.

[fasttense]

9. The same thing can be said of the average American citizen.

There is a huge resentment and animosity among the D.C. Establishment against the average American citizen.

Look at how the polls indicate the bushes are so hated. Look at how Congress is forced to hide the way they vote from the American people by taking unrecorded voice votes and passing legislation in the middle of the night.

The establishment doesn't want We the People to express its opinion through the bias voting machines or through letter and calls to representatives.

The political class has been bought off by the "Free Trade" corporations and we know they hate the average Joe. To corporations the average Joe is just a pocketbook to buy their cheap and tainted products and a hindrance to slave labor.

[robbedvoter]

10. And that comes from the same media whores who attacked Kerry, Gore, Clinton in the past

only now, some of you find it legit - because it benefits your guy :shrug:
Maybe you should wonder" WHY? And what are they after this time?

[CoffeeCat]

11. It's so obvious that the Clintons are losing power....

...and that they have been politically kneecapped during this election.

When you have Dem party stalwarts--such as Ted Kennedy and John Kerry--calling you
up and telling you to cease and desist the dirty campaigning, you know that there
is a long wall of party faithfuls who are not happy with their behavior.

Kennedy's endorsement of Obama leveraged Obama. However, the endorsement took all
of Hillary Clintons talking points against Obama and called bullshit on them. Kennedy
destroyed Clinton's unfair, baseless memes against Obama, such as: "He's not ready
on day one", "He didn't oppose the war from the beginning; "He's inspirational speeches
and nothing else".

Kennedy masterfully forced the Clintons to clean up their campaigns. Kennedy stood in
front of the entire nation and called the Clinton's tactics on the carpet.

For a long time, the Clintons have used their power to control people. They seem to
have a sense of entitlement.

How many of us would respond positively to people who had this kind of attitude, at a PTA
meeting or in a board room, or at a staff meeting? We all know people who have power and
their support is fear-based. When their power erodes, there's just not a lot of "there" there.

You can't rule by intimidation and fear forever.

I think this race has done irreversible damage to the Clinton name and their legacy.

[nancyharris]

15. Very good post! eom

[K Gardner]

19. Excellent and astute summary !

[KittyWampus]

20. TwoSparkles, I'd love this to be a separate thread. I know clinton supporters

won't be able to hear it, but does have a very large grain of truth in there.

[Tarheel_Dem]

25. TwoSparkles...you always say what's in my heart, but so much

more eloquently and articulately. Spot On....

[Blue State Blues]

13. Is that a positive or a negative?

The DC establishment is the group the candidate has to play ball with, but no one has ever lost points by vilifying them. And why exactly would the estabishment want change?

Clinton would have a hard time projecting the "outsider" image, though, even if the beltway insiders were actively shunning her.

[EFerrari]

16. I was just thinking about the resentment issue this morning.

So much of the movement seems to be for Obama -- and that includes hype as well as real voter movement.

I wonder how many people would like to pay the Clintons back for X. Probably a lot.

[Irishonly]

23. And I worry about it

Don't get me wrong I will vote for the nominee in November. I have to back off reading political threads because I find so much rudeness and a get over yourself attitude. Up until recently I never used the ignore option and I looked at my list today and it's ridiculously long.

Obama has stated he is not sure if the voters he is attracting will vote for Hillary. If that is the case he has done no good for the party. There are too many threads stating some one will not vote for _________. There is a choice to be made in November and you can't put your ego or a candidate's ego as the reason you will not vote or vote for someone.

I wasn't around when Dean was crucified by the MSM so I don't know if this is normal or not for DU. All I know is a freeper doesn't have a thing on Clinton bashers here and Obama bashers are no better.

[EFerrari]

27. I wasn't here for that either.

Keeping the primaries in one forum saves the rest of the board from the worse of the stuff.

[BootinUp]

18. Talk about a beauty contest, this is becoming a joke.

Screw the issues, look how pretty and sparkly this is.

[stillcool]

24. More of a "popularity contest"..

or a contest to win the vote of the populace. There is definitely a power play in effect. Watching the sides line up is interesting to say the least.
http://www.nndb.com/group/269/000093987/

[Metric System]

21. "most of these delegates are elected officials and they SEE the momentum and enthusiasm of their

constituents for Change."

They want change? Good! Give them change. I hope they get voted out of office come November when change sweeps the nation. Be careful what you wish for!

[Medusa]

22. These people know the Clintons very well and what they know

they clearly don't like. That should give the Clintonistas around here a clue or two but alas, it does not. :eyes:

[still_one]

26. I can't stand barnacle. Personally I believe that Hillary's baggage will lose us the GE

Yes, I WILL vote for her if she is the nominee, but the fact remains that the repukes are going to throw Bill Clinton into this campaign, and it won't be in regard to his economy. It will be in regard to his lying under oath

There are a lot of Clinton haters out there. It would appear even here at DU they exists, and that spells trouble in my view

I hope I am wrong, but knowing the repukes and the media, I don't think so

[Jai4WKC08]

28. Of course there is resentment (to put it mildly)

The Clintons represent Southern trailer trash, who dared to challenge the NE'ern political establishment of both parties.

They hated Jimmy Carter too, and were able to tear him down -- remember Kennedy ran against the incumbent President Carter, and refused to endorse him later.

But they hate the Clintons worse because the Clintons fought back and won. Just like they will this time around.

[Little Star]

30. Another reason to vote for Hillary. That so called establishment

has done so much for us in the past eight years. Now they are putting a wedge in our party with their BIG MOUTHS.

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. Barnicle is on MSNBC for one reason and one reason only, he HATES Hillary as much as the rest of

their talking heads do...except KO and Dan Abrams.;)

I know this was a concerted effort by the DC insiders against the Clinton's. Someone called in favors. All of a sudden everyone and their dog is supporting Barack? A nobody with no experience? It was all planned to stop the Clinton's. It's obvious now.