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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:55 PM
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Obama wants to “reach out,” but that strategy has already been tried.
Obama says he wants to “reach out” to Republicans. But Reid and Pelosi “reached out” to Republicans, and that strategy was a miserable failure.

Reid and Pelosi “reached out” to Republicans by taking impeachment off the table.

Reid and Pelosi “reached out” to Republicans by not using the power of the purse either to end the war or to curb executive power.

Read and Pelosi “reached out” to Republicans through FISA “reform” by trying to give Bush more power than even the Republicans tried to give him, when they were in the majority.

In fact, Reid and Pelosi “reached out” to Republicans by caving and capitulating to them on just about any issue you can name.

And what did we get? We got nothing. We didn’t get the legislation, because the Republicans filibustered everything in sight. And we didn’t get any oversight, because Reid and Pelosi were so busy “reaching out” that they didn’t have time to enforce the subpeonas and ended up writing Sternly Worded Letters instead.

So, when Obama reaches out, how would that be any different from the reaching out that Reid and Pelosi already did? What the Obama fan base says is that, since we won’t get to a filibuster-proof supermajority, a strategy of conciliation makes sense; they plan to pick off Republicans in onesies and twosies to pass needed legislation. Unfortunately, as we’ve seen, that’s what Reid and Pelosi already tried, so why would we try it again? But, say the fans, Obama has a track record: Look at the Transparency in Government Act, where Obama teamed up with Republican Tom Coburn to pass legislation that put government spending programs on a searchable website for public access. No question that this is a good bill, but as proof of concept for a “reach out” strategy, it’s weak (but, apparently, the best example available). For one thing, the bill is an obvious descendant of the work Gingrich (even a stopped clock) did with Thomas, which gave the public web access to legislation, so politically the bill was low-hanging fruit that could be sold in the classic Republican small government, anti-spending mode. No truly progressive policies will meet those conditions. More importantly, Obama’s Transparency achievement, though real, is trivial—both in terms of policy outcomes and potential for conflict—seen relative to what’s going to be needed to achieve universal health care (let alone clawing back income distribution to some sane, non-Gilded Age level). But wait, say the fans, you don’t really understand; what Obama wants to do is bring “Republican and independent voters outside of Washington” into the fold, and that will give us the leverage we need for real change. And if this were true, I would have expected to see enough calls from these Republican and independent voters to prevent children from dying because Bush vetoed S-CHIP, to take but one example of many. Ditto FISA (See Appendix II). Didn’t happen. Na ga happen.

Here’s another idea:

When you’ve got them by the balls, the heart and head soon follow. How about we try real oversight and a return to the rule of law in the form of criminal investigations, indictments, and jail time, instead of singing kumbaya? Combine that with a strong institutional presence in the form of a party you can actually mobilize, and you might get the Conservative Movement back in line. With a Democratic president, there’ll be no pardons for them. Some operatives should do time, pour encourager les autres. That’s the kind of politics we need.

Obama presents himself as unifying, but accountability is what’s needed. Let’s repeat that “reach out” paragraph:

I’ve learned in my life that you can stand firm in your principles while still reaching out to those who might not always agree with you.

Fine words butter no parsnips. What principles are we talking about, here? Off the top of my head:

1. The principle that everyone is equal before the law.

2. The principle that this nation does not torture.

3. The principle that there are three co-equal branches of government.

4. The principle that high government officials should not break the law with impunity.

5. The principle that elections are not stolen

6. The principle that war is not made on fake evidence



Check that list, and start crossing off the Republicans whose actions show that they don’t share those principles, and whose principles differ from all progressives, most Democrats, and most Americans, and by the time you’re done, you’ll have about as many Republicans as would fit in an elevator. A very small, dumbwaiter-sized elevator. In fact, when the elevator door opens, you might just end up “reaching out” to empty space.

This isn’t just a matter of a “food fight,” or “disagreements.” These are not abstract agree-to-disagree issues. Violating these principles ought to entail criminal prosecution (destroyed CIA tapes, election theft), impeachment (signing statements), or whatever the remedy is for just plain evil (torture).

So at best, Obama is feeding us highflown, but vacuous rhetoric. At worst, he’ll let the Conservative Movement operatives who drive the Bush administration get away clean, after committing criminal and impeachable offenses with impunity and no accountability of any kind. That’s not the kind of politics we need to achieve a permanent progressive majority.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:11 PM
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1. kick
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:15 PM
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2. Before them , it was Daschle and Gephardt. And Clinton before them - he got
a nice reward for his efforts. Yup. It always works.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:37 PM
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3. I've heard that song before "I'm a uniter" and it makes my heart stop
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:39 PM
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6. obviously, you're afraid of success. We wouldn't want an convincing majority voting Democrat
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 02:39 PM by cryingshame
so we can win elections and control Congress, now would we?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:38 PM
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5. #1. he's talking about voters. #2. YOUR girl said she wants to work with fair minded GOP'ers
lol!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:38 PM
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4. When did Hillary said she wants to work with "fair minded GOP'ers", did that bother you?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:49 PM
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7. K & R!!!! Fantastic post! SPOT ON!
:thumbsup: There is no "playing nice" with these people. There should be no more taking knives to a gunfight. Have we learned nothing in the last 12 years?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:50 PM
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8. great post
thanks for sharing your feelings.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:09 PM
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9. Kick & Rec! ("reach out" to war criminals?!?) nt
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:13 PM
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10. Obama isn't talking about party bosses and legislators.
He speaks about you and me and our families and neighbors not being divided by these labels that have been forced on us. It's time to join in with communities and effect change from the bottom up. Part of that change is getting rid of the same old politicos that drag the same old unresolved issues like stickers on their war chests. Something has to give because this nation cannot stand much more.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:17 PM
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11. Very good post. I'm giving this a Rec
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:18 PM
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12. His adviser Liebman is a PRIVATIZER.. watch him on SS....
look how he changed his bill on nuclear safety.....he, combined with our sycophants already in Congress will create one big, enabling MUSH!

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