Obama: "won’t be able to say I followed the Bush-Cheney doctrine of not talking to leaders..."

[sabra]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/us/politics/04campaign.html?em&ex=1202274000&en=04be2f79aaf0df0d&ei=5087%0A

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“If John McCain is the nominee, then the Democratic Party has to ask itself, Do you want a candidate who has similar policies to John McCain on the war in Iraq or somebody who can offer a stark contrast?” Mr. Obama said. “See, when I’m the nominee, John McCain won’t be able to say that “You were for this war in Iraq,’ because I wasn’t. He won’t be able to say I followed the Bush-Cheney doctrine of not talking to leaders we don’t like, because I don’t.”

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Why does Obama hate america?

:rofl:

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. Yet when he was asked about IWR in 2004, he said he didn't know

how he would have voted. I guess he just says whatever sounds good at the time.

[sandnsea]

3. Because he was stuck with your girl's vote

and "stay the course" support of the war. How do you criticize him when Hillary was running around the world saying we had to win in Iraq?

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. Face it, he's full of shit up to here. He gets elected & proceeds to vote

for funding up until Hillary stops voting to fund. He'll fucking suffer for all of this.

[sandnsea]

10. So she's a Party Leader

Is that what you're saying? Right. She was the architect of the IWR vote, she blathered on about "stay the course" all through 2004, she refused to support withdrawal, she refused to support timelines, she supported the damn war until it came time to run for President.

It's crystal clear and I do not understand why anti-war people can't see it.

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. Obama is very weak on this whole thing & the obabys don't know

what to do about it. He has a history of not taking a firm stand on this & just about everything else. "IWR? I don't know how I'd have voted!"

[sandnsea]

12. You can't answer the reality on Hillary

You're blaming the person who is stuck with the mess of what your candidate caused.

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. So, in your unbiased opinion, the Iraq war was all Hillary's fault, right?

Go ahead & say it, it couldn't have happened without her singular effort, right? This obama bullshit is beyond over the top.

[sandnsea]

17. She Supported The WAR

She IS responsible. John Kerry owns his responsibility in the war because of his vote, even though he spoke out against the invasion and proposed a plan to get out in 2005. She didn't. She said we had to win in Iraq. What is wrong with people around here that they can't see her responsibility.

[The_Casual_Observer]

20. You have no case.

[sandnsea]

22. She's a war hawk warmonger

Her entire 8 years in the Senate prove it. She isn't going to change shit. If she doesn't get us into a war with Iran herself, she'll lay the groundwork for it, just like Bill did with Iraq. Wake Up. We need a whole new direction and Obama is the only one talking about providing it.

[Qutzupalotl]

5. Adding,

From my point of view, the case was not made.

[The_Casual_Observer]

7. His point of view in 2004.

[Qutzupalotl]

8. And 2002.

:)

[The_Casual_Observer]

9. Where's it say that? He's actual words were "from my vantage point"

He didn't make the statement in 2002, it was 2004. Obama is fraud on at least this issue.

[sandnsea]

13. The day before the convention

He gave cover to Kerry and Edwards, but said from his vantage point he still didn't see that the case had been made. To distort the words and context is the kind of cheap politics that we need to get rid of. That's all the Clinton campaign has had, smears and 9/11 fear.

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. well, he said one thing but he actually meant to say that he said something

else to cover the fact that he said he didn't see that he said.

[sandnsea]

16. Hillary said SHE SUPPORTED THE GODDAMN WAR

How the fucking hell do you ignore that reality?

[The_Casual_Observer]

18. Why did Obama vote to fund it year after year? Particulary

when he supposedly claimed he was against it from the start? Obama is a fraud.

[sandnsea]

19. Why did HIllary SUPPORT THE ACTUAL WAR?

Why do you ignore that?

[The_Casual_Observer]

21. Did Obama support the war since he was elected?

[Qutzupalotl]

23. A distinction without a difference.

A vantage point is a point of view.

You cannot credibly say he is a fraud or a flip flopper if his 2002 statement against the war fits with his 2004 statement AGAINST THE FUCKING WAR.

[speedoo]

6. Hillary: "“One thing about me, I’ve already been through tough campaigns...

... and I think that says something about me,” she said. “My opponent hasn’t had to go through that baptism of fire. And in a general election, you know what’s going to happen to our nominee. Let’s not kid ourselves.”

Huh? What "tough campaigns", Hillary? You beat a couple of rethug hacks in NY.

Where does she get this stuff?