Clue, Joe and Valerie Plame Wilson work for the CIA.

[dailykoff]

Ya know, the covert action, blow up buildings and blame it on terrists, rig elections and topple democracy guys? The drug-running crack selling Iran-Contra guys?

The fact that they're good buddies with the Clintons should give you a clue.

[AX10]

1. Interesting

the left wing and DU are both Pro-Obama and also believe MIHOP.

Interesting!

[dailykoff]

3. And the clueless wing is still sniffling over Hallmark fairy tales.

Look I'm not trying to shatter anyone's illusions but I've been saying all along that the CIA is keenly interested in helping out their girl.

[AX10]

24. The corporate media is hell bent on helping out their guy.

[dailykoff]

25. Bill?

[billbuckhead]

30. NPR is run by Radio America types with CIA affiliation

National Petroleum Radio has done more to help Obama than anybody but Oprah.

[wintersoulja]

62. Radio Enron

If people could get over themselves as to their friends in the "liberal media"
we might be able to get some traction.

[jlake]

2. Your post puts you further out in the left field than 99% of people.

[Alexander]

4. Those who don't know about Iran-Contra and the crack epidemic are sadly uninformed.

If you choose not to look for the relevant information, that's your own ignorance and apathy talking to you.

[jlake]

8. I am not ignorant. Just pointing out another "fact".

[Alexander]

27. You pointed out your opinion. The OP posted facts.

Facts that you can't refute, due to their factual nature.

[dailykoff]

7. Doesn't change the facts.

And here's a link if you'd like to know how I happen to know what I know:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=127965

[jlake]

11. Who do you think is responsible for the 9/11 attacks?

[dailykoff]

16. Read the link I posted.

It's pretty clear what happened. We can discuss elsewhere who did it, why they did it and who benefited, but I really don't think we can discuss here.

[jlake]

17. I am not sure why you think that Plame and Wilson were involved or that the Clintons

are part of some vast conspiracy though.

[dailykoff]

20. First bombing was 93,

the Trade Center is in Manhattan. They're both in it up to their eyeballs.

[JackRiddler]

55. "Truth is not measured in mass appeal."

[jlake]

63. But elections are won with it.

[Didereaux]

5. ROFLMAO, that is the most clueless statement today! A DUZY 4 U

[Coexist]

6. please don't dis the Wilsons

they just like a different candidate.

[dailykoff]

14. Fine, and Joe made a public statement which I am refuting.

If he didn't want to be discussed on political blogs he would have kept his yap shut.

[LiberalHeart]

9. So many sharks, so much jumping.

[Straight Shooter]

39. No kidding. Trying to jump over it and landing right in its mouth. n/t

[BootinUp]

10. Another netroots conspiracy lifts off for looneyville! weeee

[AX10]

19. The left wing netroots...

is embarrassing.

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. Honestly. How ignorant are you?

www.freerepublic.com

DU does NOT bash the Wilsons! You're spewing Right Wing shit.

[WCGreen]

13. I bet you loved them when they were on "our" side...

And trying to get the truth out about Bush rush to war...

Jesus...

[dailykoff]

18. They never said anything that wasn't already obvious

so frankly I never caught the Wilson love train.

[Ediacara]

15. Are you fucking kidding me?

[dailykoff]

22. No. There's more to US politics than piano players.

Sorry to break it to you.

[sandnsea]

21. They believed Iraq had WMD

:shrug:

Says a lot to me.

[dailykoff]

23. Yes that's always struck me as rather odd.

[CAG]

26. Thats it.... just go to hell. Joe Wilson is a patriot, just because he's not

backing your democratic candidate, you have the nerve to throw this s*)t out, gawd, all of this petty hatfield and mccoy stuff is getting old and TIRED.

[dailykoff]

28. It's petty like one million murders in Iraq is petty.

I'm sick of this shit and that's why I'm backing Obama. The Clintons are CIA tools, to put it bluntly.

[CAG]

31. And pray tell, what did Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame do to try to

stop W from plunging us into the Iraq War hell?

A helluva of a lot more than any of us, thank you very much!

Do you really believe the CIA wants Hillary Clinton to be commander and chief??? If so, then what else of the Rove/Newt/Limbaugh/Coulter chatter have you swallowed whole?

[dailykoff]

34. Working for the CIA is not working to stop the war.

I'm sorry about their career troubles but maybe they shouldn't have made that career choice. And who's to say the whole Plame thing isn't yet another NYT-assisted CIA psy-op? Yes I'm that cynical.

[CAG]

37. A NYT-assisted CIA psy-op...... Uh OK, BTW you misspelled it; its

c-e-r-t-i-f-i-a-b-l-e, not c-y-n-i-c-a-l

How do you feel about those green martians that landed in Area 51?

[dailykoff]

38. Well, you're wrong about that too.

What's left to say.

[WinkyDink]

56. Then how do you know Obama isn't? Woo-OOO-ooo.

[Auntie Bush]

29. Pardon me if I

:puke: That post was uncalled for and pure gossip.

[nonconformist]

32. This is proof that Obama supporters are off their fucking rocker.

What has gotten into this place? Now you're attacking Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame, who are WONDERFUL people, because they dared to not believe that Obama is the messiah?

[Tarc]

33. Wow, Obamaniacs reach a new and very pathetic low

Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame risked careers and in the latter's case, life and limb, to expose the Bush regime of deception and deceit regarding the pre-war Iraq intel. And some pissant keyboard warrior member of Team Obama has the gall to sit here and condemn them for their choice of political candidate by comparing them to the innuendo of past CIA misdeeds?

A lot of serious fucking nerve right there.

[CAG]

35. A lot of people have lost perspective....

how soon they forget, or maybe never cared enough before know what was going on...
For a DUer to attack Joe Wilson after all Joe Wilson has sacrificed and done for this country is like the swift boaters going after Kerry. Total hypocrisy.

[dailykoff]

36. Look, Joe stepped into it.

Personally I don't talk much about the CIA here because they've done such a good job of inoculating themselves against criticism, but they ARE the problem, and the Clintons are part of it.

As for Obama, well if Teddy is backing him, then I suspect he's of the JFK persuasion that the CIA needs to be shattered into a thousand pieces, which is 100% right on.

[mondo joe]

41. Joe had an opinion so he's fair game for you to smear? Nice.

Stay classy. :eyes:

[dailykoff]

43. Joe had a smear so I gave my opinion.

Joe can take his Hilly endorsement and file it under OKC 95.

[mondo joe]

44. Back to Area 51 with you. NT

[CAG]

51. I was less than a mile away from "OKC 95", and almost got my face

mangled by some flying glass in a walkway I had just been thru. I don't take very kindly to rightwing bigoted a-holes who like to blow up little kids and innocent men and women, and I don't take very kindly to smart-alek know-it-all conspiracy theorists assessing blame onto whomever they dislike no matter what little evidence they may have (and what little probably came from "reputable" internet sites, no doubt).

Before you throw around implications and innuendos of a President Clinton or a Joe Wilson having something to do with OKC 95, check the clock, its time to take your thorazine.

[Tarc]

42. Yea, your head is so far into the kool-aid jar

it is a wonder you can still breathe. This jackass logic of "Wilson and Plame work for the CIA, the CIA is corrupt, thereforore Wilson and Plame are corrupt" is intellectual dishonesty at its worst.


They risked much to do what they did at a time when few were speaking out. They didn't have the pleasure of being a everyday common poser who gets to sit behind a screen and blather away endlessly with impunity.

[dailykoff]

46. Maybe they got played, but usually we're the ones who get played.

Hard to say whose lie is for real but generally I don't look to the CIA or NYT for truth. Hans Blix got it right and told the world without any help from the Wilsons.

[CAG]

52. Unbelievable....

"Maybe they got played"
"Hard to say whose lie is for real", but just in case, lets smear them and blame them for all thats wrong with the world... Maybe they killed Lacy Peterson, too!
Maybe OJ can find some evidence that Valerie Plame did it and he's innocent!
:sarcasm:

[CAG]

45. But Teddy luvs Clinton, too, it seems....

Then Teddy better tell this guy Edward to stop his lovefest over these warmongering spy-lovin Clintons:

AP Tue Jan 29, 9:02 AM ET
WASHINGTON - Sen. Edward Kennedy says his endorsement of Barack Obama for president wasn't intended as a repudiation of Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign or of her husband, the former president.

"I have great respect for President Clinton and respect for Senator Clinton," the Massachusetts Democrat said Tuesday on NBC's "Today" show as he made a round of appearances on morning network news programs.

Kennedy said he'll support the New York senator if she is the eventual Democratic presidential nominee. "It's enormously important that we elect a Democrat and change the direction of the nation. Should Barack Obama not get the nomination, I'll support her," or John Edwards or whoever wins the nomination, Kennedy said on CBS' "The Early Show."

He described the Clintons as friends. "I've known them a long time. I've worked very closely with the Clintons." But, he added, "We need new energy. We need someone who can bring people together. People are basically saying that they want to new day and a new generation."

Maybe Teddy is trying some CIA psy-op mind games on us!

[dailykoff]

48. Teddy's job

is to get along with slime bags in both parties. I appreciate his loyalty and devotion.

[RoyGBiv]

40. Oh do piss off ...

The depth of the bullshit has grown too much to bear.

It's not so much that you started a thread with this but that others are buying into it ... anything for a smack down.

If I cared more about this idiocy -- or thought it would do one damn bit of good -- I'd go back and post links to the countless threads praising the Wilsons on this very forum. But of course some nimrod would come up with a reason to discount all that.

CIA ...

Please.

[Bright Eyes]

47. I'm an Obama supporter.

And you're making our candidate look bad.

Do stop.

[dailykoff]

49. Okay.

:hi:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

50. omfg!...the insanity is rampid here ....so disturbing

[kerry-is-my-prez]

53. There we go.... I knew they would start turning on Joe and Valerie.

so predictable....

[dailykoff]

54. Kick for a little perspective.

[TexasObserver]

57. Hillary has spent the last 6 years telling the powerful she's SAFE

And that is why so many of us do not trust her a bit.

The lenders, the insurers, Big Pharm, the war machine - she's served them all, and given them the votes they had to have. The Queen of the DLC lost her connection to the little people.

[AntiFascist]

58. I understand where you're coming from, but...

I would not assume someone is bad just because they are with the CIA. Keep in mind that not too long ago there was practically a civil war within the intelligence agencies regarding the handling of intelligence leading up to the Iraq War. Everything Plame and Wilson seem to have done would indicate that they are among the good guys, although there could easily be much more to this story that most people are not aware of.

Hillary, on the other hand, does seem to have her hands dirty with respect to past affiliations with people, entities, and agencies (specifically the NSA) involved with the laundering of drug and arms money in Iran/Contra. Not only that, but the specific software in question has also been utilized in other criminal activities and variations of it have been implicated in no less than 9-11. If Hillary was instrumental in bringing this evil geenie out of the bottle, then maybe it will be up to her and her experience to put it away once and for all. I'm not holding my breath, but if she wins the nomination it may up to people like us to serve as a constant reminder that 'the truth is out there' waiting to be discovered by the mass media.

[ursi]

59. I saw Joe Wilson in Reno. The room was full of wealthy grey-haired people

...I was like the only person I knew who had to leave work to attend the event. How do I know? The retireds would ask me. Oh, do you work? Did you have to leave work to attend this? There was me. Middle aged. The rich old people, some were like rich old hippies. And really young people working for the Hillary campaign. I was like an oddity there at the event.

Back to Joe Wilson. I enjoyed hearing him talk about the lying sacks of crap in the White House and what happened to Valerie and him.

But when he started yammering on about his friend, Hillary ...and I looked around the room ...I got out of there as fast I could.

[wintersoulja]

60. clinton sock puppets

with an appointment to keep.

[dailykoff]

61. Wilson trusts Hilly to be " consistent with our national security interests":

And we have trust in her to end the war in Iraq in the most responsible way, consistent with our national security interests.

Translation: we can always count on a Clinton to cover for CIA crimes, whatever we happen to want to do.

And that's one of his few factually correct statements.