What Obama knows about foreign relations would fit in a

[Justice Is Comin]

shot glass.

What Hillary knows wouldn't fit in the Superdome.

Ask Obama some fringe questions and he would soil his knickers. Hillary beams with enthusiasm to answer questions on almost any topic whatosoever. And almost never anything but a contiguous coherent flowing explanation.

But never mind, she's only been to 80 foreign countries as First Lady and senator and knows many of the leaders from personal visits.

Obama ?

[sandnsea]

1. He knew enough to know Perle and Wolfowitz

were shoving their ideological war down our throats. That's enough for me.

It ought to be enough for any thinking person.

[BlackVelvet04]

19. Most thinking people can see that

he's full of shit.....he said he doesn't know what he would have done had he actually VOTED. You know why he said that? Because he also said he wouldn't fund the war and then he did. He flips flops almost as well as his mentor.

[Emit]

27. Is Hillary not a thinking person then?

:hide:

[BlackVelvet04]

28. that doesn' t even make sense as a response to my post n/t

[Emit]

31. You said, "Most thinking people can see that..."

Why couldn't Hillary?

I think it was a valid response.

On edit, ignoring the "...he's full of shit" portion of your post, of course.

[The Delegates]

Senate Foreign Relations Committee

As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.<64> Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories. At a meeting with Palestinian students two weeks before Hamas won the legislative election, Obama warned that "the U.S. will never recognize winning Hamas candidates unless the group renounces its fundamental mission to eliminate Israel."<65> He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad.


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Yep. No experience.

[Justice Is Comin]

6. Yep no experience.

Unless you count real estate law and teaching.

[karynnj]

24. Substantially more than Bill Clinton had before he became President

[AX10]

2. True. Most of DU denies this fact.

The left wing bloggers deny this fact.
The media does not want to talk about it.

But it's true.
Experience Counts,
Vote Hillary!

[scheming daemons]

3. The amount of integrity and honesty that Hillary has would fit in a...

shot glass.

The amount of integrity and honesty that Obama has wouldn't fit in the Superdome.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. And did you know...

Hillary shits diamonds from a platinum asshole, while Obama eats puppies for breakfast? :sarcasm:

Jeez, give it up. Haven't you figured out yet that you won't change anybody's mind by insulting their candidate?

[Kittycat]

8. I've been told he only eats the cute ones.

[jackson_dem]

5. Obama has a degree in international relations

He is no Joe Biden but he definitely is not ignorant of foreign policy and the fundamental theories and history of international relations.

[ArkySue]

17. Why has he not held any hearings??

He's the Chair of the Subcommittee on Europe, and includes NATO operations.
I guess no one's paying attention to anything but the primaries, but Canada is about to take their NATO troops out of Afganistan...and the situation there is getting worse.

[karynnj]

23. There was a hearing on Afghanistan

and it was held by the Near and Middle east committee headed By Kerry - as it should be. I have watched many hearing including the Iraq ones held in 2006 - Obama's questions were excellent often following up points started by Kerry. Feingold and Boxer (the part of the line of questions likely least liked by Dr Rice.)

[Justice Is Comin]

20. You're right he's no Joe Biden

Let's see who Joe Biden endorses. I'm betting the gal.

[MannyGoldstein]

7. But She Didn't Know That That Her Vote On AUMF Was Wrong

The most important vote in decades, and most Democrats in Congress knew to vote against it. Clinton didn't.

One million lives and $2 Trillion later, she still claims that she did the right thing.

Unbelievable.

If that's knowledge, than I'll take the other thing.

[Atman]

9. I. Don't. Care.

The most moving question of this entire election cycle came during the first two-on-one Dem debate by the questioner who pointed out that she was in her thirties and has never had anyone to choose from but a Bush or a Clinton. That should be all you need to know. My 20 year old son will vote for Obama just because he's sick of hearing the Clinton name. A lot of us are. Fuck the Oligarchy, fuck the Dynasty. Obama cannot possibly, in any way shape or form, be worse than Bush. And he won't be Clinton. Two solid reasons to vote for him right there.

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[Justice Is Comin]

13. You will have a trainee president.

The veteran foreign leaders will absolutely snicker at him.

I have even heard about some survey taken that most of the foreign country allies are in favor of Clinton. I can't remember where I heard it. But it's not hard to figure out why they would.

I have a icky feeling knowing I will have to vote in November either way. But I know for damn sure, Obama is a tall skinny disaster. And you would take the Clinton years back in a micro second. You also know that.

[LittleClarkie]

10. It's not her knowledge that bothers me. I could accept her gladly if it were just that

I don't like the way she plays the game.

[TexasObserver]

11. but Hillary's experience and judgment are BAD on foreign policy

Why would we want more of that bad judgment?

McCain Lite? No thanks.

[Justice Is Comin]

15. We could go around that bush 'til the cows come home.

Show me the vote Obama cast in the U.S. SENATE for the IWR and then get back to me. We'll talk apples for apples.

[Bonobo]

12. Lame. I flush you, like a poo, down the internet drain. PFT NT EOM STFU

[blm]

14. What Hillary knows about Bushes she'll protect, just like Bill did throughout the 90s.

Clintons protect the Bushes, they always have and always will.

Clintons know what POPPY BUSH wants them to know.

[Occam Bandage]

16. And yet Obama knew that Iraq was a bad idea, and Hillary mistakenly thought it would be a good idea.

When actually tested, it's Obama 1, Clinton 0.

[Justice Is Comin]

21. I have to laugh.

You are your own worst enemy and you don't know it.

Do you think the republicans won't turn him into a Kerry within a week? baa ha ha hah ha ha ha ha. I just have to shake my head ans since we don't have an emoticon for that, words will have to do.

[Occam Bandage]

22. And that's where you fail.

Democrats are under the mistaken belief that they can win by co-opting the right-wing frame of foreign-policy leadership. Truth be told, they can't. If someone votes under that frame, they will not vote for the Democrat, because the Republican will be a better right-winger than the Democrat. We need to establish a firm left-wing frame and attract voters to it--and in order to do that, there need to be clear distinctions between the frames.

Hillary, and not Obama, is our next Kerry. Like Kerry, she voted for the war; like '04 Kerry, she has not apologized; like '04 Kerry, she has attempted to be "tough" and "strong" on foreign policy; like '04 Kerry, she will be in the awkward position of having to attack something she once supported.

[Justice Is Comin]

29. It's just the opposite of what you are saying.

Hillary voted exactly like McCain has and she hasn't retracted her choice to vote that way. She feels a president of the United States should have enough honor to do what he comes to the congress for. Bush hadn't been around long at that time yet. Do you think she would have trusted him now?

Obama, first of all didn't vote. I don't care how you try to twist it, he didn't have a vote on the record period. But every vote since he became a senator was a vote to keep the war going. And I don't care how you try to twist that. That's also a fact.

They will eviscerate Obama on the waffle flop. No matter how hard they try, they can't do it against her.

Passion is one thing. Willful evasion of the facts is another.

[Danger Mouse]

18. And with all that wisdom and knowledge and experience...

she STILL voted for the IWR.
Sorry, your argument fails to move me.

[awaysidetraveler]

25. So you think that reducing troops in Iraq while keeping bases through 2013 is good foreign relations

It sounds like a recipe for permanent war to me.

That might sound like a shot glass worth of information,
but it's as well known a truth here in Istanbul as one can find.

Why doesn't Hillary get it? Why don't you?

[fujiyama]

26. At least Obama doesn't think Musharraf was "democratically elected"

or that he was "on the ballot" a few weeks ago. I'm not all that impressed with Hillary's "experience" on foreign relations so far. Her judgment has been even worse on major issues. Obama has worked on nuclear non proliferation and finding ways to stop loose nukes from spreading and being to Afghanistan and Pakistan meeting tin pot dictators doesn't automatically make one fit for being president.

And in all honesty, I'd much rather have a complete change from the status quo. While this country and the world were in most ways better off 8 years ago, I think we can do better than that. Hillary has little to promise beyond the so called experience that has helped us end up where we have.

[Bread and Circus]

30. I will take the shot glass that spoke out against the IWR over

the Superdome that "took Bush at his word" and enabled Bush to go to war.

Apparently, she has a judgement problem because her big "smarty pants" database didn't help her make the right call there.

But hey, she smartened up by time Kyl Lieberman rolled around because she voted against that!!

Oh wait, no she didn't.

I think Clinton may have more than just a judgement problem, she can't learn either.