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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:13 AM
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IMO What Would be a Big Win for Obama
From what Ive read recently, Obama is down 65 delegates including superdelegates. For Obama to claim a big victory on Super Tuesday, he has to win by about 60-70 delegates. I hope he does because every day I think about those superdelegates, and get more scared that they could decide the election. I think Obama can do this to with a big win in Illinois, while doing well enough in NY and NJ.
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:16 AM
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1. YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:18 AM
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2. He wins a tie, or anything close to it.
Until a month ago, she was "inevitable." If they split Super Tuesday, she won't be able to raise money like Obama. He'll outspend her 4-1 from here on.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:19 AM
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3. Well, no
He just has to stay competitive and not lose CA or MA by too much, if he loses them at all. There are still plenty of states out there and plenty of time to build on the momentum.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:22 AM
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5. Just crunching the numbers, it scares me a little that she could have an advantage in superdelegates
and win the primary that way. That would really fuck with democracy.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:30 AM
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7. I'm honestly not worried about that anymore
I think when you have the bulk of the Kennedy's, you're good to go. :)
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:34 AM
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9. Clinton's are still the establishment.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:43 AM
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10. If Obama has the voted delegates
I guarantee you the Kennedy establishment will not let the Clintons steal it out from under him. The Clintons don't have long held support based on respect and that's why it will crumble as soon as there's the slightest shift to a different political power structure.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:20 AM
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4. As long as he doesn't lose ground
Pretty much tie or lose by no more than 20 and I'd be fine with that. More would be gravy.
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andyrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:28 AM
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6. Patience people!!!! 3 Important facts!!***
Hillary increasing her lead through even today has been the strat all along. Obama slipping 30-40 delegates still tilts to us in a full run vs. her diminished funding.

Obama's greatest movement has been in the other half of the states that will vote after today!!! This is where he will pick up the win unless Hillary successfully paints this as Obama is dragging this out giving McCromney fodder.

The sleeping story is how angry the right is about their awful choice between McCain and Romney. As the MSM picks up on the rights disenfranchisement, the issue of our issue of in-fighting will balance out as a non-issue.
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The Delegates Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:33 AM
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8. Ahead, tied, or within 50
And Obama will be our nominee.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 04:28 AM
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11. And the world shall weep
For someone with little experience, like Bush was, people seem to be awfully gung-ho on him, like they were with Bush.

I do not respect Mr. Obama. I do not respect Ms. Clinton. And I'm tired of holding my nose and voting for the lesser of two evils.
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magatte Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 04:34 AM
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12. Experience is not the issue, intelligence and character are...
:hi:
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 05:45 AM
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13. Both which Bush allegedly had...
According to the Right Wing.

Does that mean Mr. Obama will be the Democrats Bush?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 05:51 AM
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14. That's ridiculous- it's as stupid as saying Hillary is just like Cheney
Obama has 3 years in the U.S. Senate and 7 years in the Illinois State Senate. He lectured on Con law at U of C for ten years and practiced civil rights law and was a community organizer. Do you really want to compare that to bushy? There's no doubt that Hillary has more experience than Obama, but not even fucking close to what she claims.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 07:56 AM
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18. Compare
President Bush received a Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School in 1975. Following graduation, he moved back to Midland and began a career in the energy business. After working on his father’s successful 1988 Presidential campaign, President Bush assembled the group of partners who purchased the Texas Rangers baseball franchise in 1989. On November 8, 1994, President Bush was elected Governor of Texas. He became the first Governor in Texas history to be elected to consecutive 4-year terms when he was re-elected on November 3, 1998. (From the Whitehouse.gov website which fails to mention the failures, of course.)

Everyone has a biography, Cali. That does not make them presidential material.

As for Ms. Clinton being like Mr. Cheney? I'm not sure if that's accurate or not. Do I believe that Mr. Obama is like Mr. Bush? No, I don't. But the rah-rah over either candidate is a sad sight. Neither one is a unifying force, at least in my eyes. I do not care for either. If this is the best that the Democrats can muster it's a sad thing. The same goes for the Republicans. Neither party brings a great deal to the table.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 06:02 AM
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15. 800 delegates or more.
I think it is around 1690 delegates up for grabs today.

If Obama wins around half (800 or more) it will be hard for Hillary to prevail.

I think who wins California will also be an important factor.

If Hillary wins New York and California, it keeps her campaign alive.

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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 06:30 AM
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16. Unless some of these super delegates change their pledge! Some will for sure
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 07:12 AM
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17. I don't think he can do it
Much as I want him to. I just don't see how he can overcome Hillary and her entrenched power machine. I don't think Sen Obama will do well enough in NJ, NY, or CN to get it done. Apparently he's got a legitimate shot at CA, but....
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