Ask yourself this: Who can put backbone into Reid and Pelosi? Who will twist the arms?

[Didereaux]

I do not believe you could find a soul that doubts Hillary has the guts to twist Pelosi and Reids arms to the breaking point. But their remains the HUGE doubt that the softer gentler Obama can or will. Whoever is in the Whithouse MUST control that worthless Democratic leadership we have gotten ourselves saddled with.

[HeraldSquare212]

1. I don't know, Bill caved often enough to Reps, what makes you think Hillary would be different? nt

[Xipe Totec]

Hillary is not Bill

that's why it would be different.

[Bread and Circus]

41. Hill and Bill are both advised by Mark Penn. There will be no

difference and there will be no change.

[Didereaux]

10. HE was the president then NOT her! That woman is tough and I'll bet nasty in the backroom...

EXACTLY what this country needs to get out of this godawful mess we are in. We do not need 'Feel-Good Freddies', maybe once the house has been cleaned and restored, but feel-gooders cannot defeat or cleanout jackbooters.

[HeraldSquare212]

14. So why hasn't she done it yet? She's in the Senate, right? nt

[Didereaux]

24. well first off , she is a junior Senator and they have almost no power, duh

[HeraldSquare212]

30. Right, just a poor, powerless senator...If only she were President, or maybe UN Secretary,

or Federation Starchief, then you'd see what she can really do!

[blm]

29. In the backroom Hillary was tough AGAINST Alito filibuster. In public she capitulated

to the thousands of activists who called her office.

So....she cleverly joined the filibuster - but just because she knew she was running in a primary in the near future.

Hillary WAS really tough on the senate floor ONCE - when she took to the floor to denounce Kerry-Feingold Withdrawal from Iraq bill. She agreed with Bush that any Timetable for Iraq was wrongheaded.

[Tarc]

15. What kind of revisionist history bullshit is this?

Bill Clinton stared down the Gingrich Republicans over the budget impasse. I'm quite sure that Hillary can reel in Peosi and Reid with ease, although my preference would be that neither of those two are in leadership positions in the next Congress.

[HeraldSquare212]

31. Remember DOMA and welfare reform? Two things he said he was against? nt

[ursi]

2. Reid supports Hillary ...I know. I live in Nevada

[Didereaux]

5. all the better, she already owns the bastard then!

[blm]

43. She's been the one DIRECTING the meek behavior of Dem senate to protect Bush.

Because THAT is what Clintons do - they protect the Bushes - always have and always will.

[Individualist]

21. They're both DLC members

[HCE SuiGeneris]

26. *Ding*

We have a winner.

[madrchsod]

3. neither one

it will be business as usual....we should really focus on this year and the three billion budget of death

[elixir]

4. Totally agree. She's strong and decisive.

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

6. WE will

The people will do it. Obama will bring us with him to ensure it happens

[cali]

7. absurd, and here's why

first of all to assume that Pelosi and Reid won't support the new dem president's agenda is totally ludicrous. Secondly, so is the mindless meme that Obama isn't a fighter. He's proved that dead wrong. Thirdly, there will be at least 10 more dems in the House and at least 5 more dems in the Senate. The new dem president will have a working majority in both houses.

[DainBramaged]

8. Give me five minutes with them and the girl robot from Terminator/The Sarah Connor chronicles

(Summer Glau) and I'll show them who's boss.

[blm]

9. Man - you don't KNOW what's been going on. Clintons WERE the ones advising support

for Bush on his terrorism and Iraq war decisions.

Clinton and Schumer tried to stop Alito filibuster and she spoke against it in the Dem caucus. Only after she got tons of phonecalls from activist Dems did she come out to say she'd join the filibiuster (still wouldn't lead).

Clinton AND Lieberman didn't want Kerry-Feingold Iraq withdrawal vote right before Lieberman's primary and BOTH took to the senate floor to denounce any withdrawal timetable. THAT speech just from June2006 is nowhere to be found on Hillary's senate site. Gee - wonder why.

Clinton HAS been leading Reid around already. His son works for her. Don't even TRY to push this line of BS on those of us who PAY ATTENTION.

[Didereaux]

13. and don't you try and push yours on people who UNDERSTAND the problem.

[blm]

17. So you know the Clintons' influence on Reid and Congress to support Bush

but you UNDERSTAND the problem.

Yet you post a thread bemoaning their displayed weaknesses and exalting what you claim will BE Hillary's influence on them in the future.

Why wouldn't she lead them on tough issues opposing Bush the last 7 years, then?

[frylock]

34. how much understanding do you actually possess?

i couldn't really tell the way you DIDN'T refute any of the concerns in the post you felt compelled to reply to. please, enlighten us.

[displacedtexan]

11. LBJ was the toughest party whip we ever had.

If you saw Clinton last night, you know she's more like LBJ was and
not afraid of the following words:

No-bid contracts

Blackwater

Bush and our RUINED international reputation

Veterans

Green

Outsourcing and its related tax benefits (No More!)

Human Rights and Fair Trade requirements

China (and its crappy products and slave labor)

... and lots more.

Plus, she's ready to fight Republican smears from the get-go.

I was impressed.

[Didereaux]

16. trained by Rayburn...and I agree she may just be as tough as LBJ was

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. Let's just say, it's NOT Obama...Mr. Play Nice with repukes. n/t

[Diane R]

18. Ask yourself who would even try? Reid fixed Nevada for Hillary.

[newmajority]

19. Reid and Pelosi will not be leading the next Congress

Picture this.....

President Barack Obama
Senate Majority Leader Chris Dodd
Speaker of the House Dennis Kucinich

Now THERE is a team that will get things done.

[Straight Shooter]

22. Speaker of the House Kucinich?

I admire your admiration but that is not going to happen, ever. He might inspire you, but he doesn't inspire Congress.

[bowens43]

20. It's not the president's job to control congress.

The last thing we need is another bush but apparently, that's what the Hillary supporters hope for.

[Didereaux]

27. Either the next president controls congress or ALL things will remain unchanged!

[Bonobo]

23. They don't need their arms twisted.

Their backbones will grow when they see the Obama mandate.

[Didereaux]

28. good lord that cannot be over the counter cold medicine your sipping!

[Bonobo]

36. Sorry, I'm not feeling sophomoric enough to really give the kind of response you want. Bye!

[Zorra]

25. Dennis Kucinich was the only candidate that would have pressured

Reid and Pelosi to fight the corporate establishment.

Unforunately, from now on it will continue to be business as usual.

[Bitwit1234]

32. He lets his wife lead him around by the nose, if she don't want it

then it won't get done. Mean spirited as they come.

[frylock]

37. what the fuck are you talking about?

[newmajority]

40. Apparently the DLCbot server got stuck in a loop again.

Sometimes it spews prefabricated responses into the wrong threads.

[frylock]

42. i guess bitwit would prefer if DK's wife allowed him to have a BJ while on the job

a clinton supporter casting aspersions at another candidate's marriage really goes to show how out of touch these people are.

[Iceburg]

33. Obama will have Pelosi serving coffee to the boys, and arranging tea parties for Michelle /nt

[frylock]

38. in other words, something useful for a change

[rucky]

35. Having a D in the White House oughta do the trick.

If not, Reid & Pelosi are out of excuses.

[Occam Bandage]

39. Ms. DLC hasn't been doing a very good job so far. Oh, wait, that's stupid.

For the same reason this entire goddamn thread is stupid.