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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:06 PM
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Obama:
Obama is miffed that he goofed on his answer when asked about his greatest weakness in the debate a couple of weeks ago.

Remember: Russert asked each candidate: “What’s your biggest weakness?”

And Obama said, quite honestly: “Well, I’m always losing paper. And so I have to have somebody around me to help me file things and keep my desk clean.”

But Edwards said: “I sometimes have a very powerful emotional response to pain that I see around me.”

Apparently Obama thinks Edwards was just trying to make himself look good. And Obama thinks he should have answered that question differently.
***

As Jeff Zeleny noted on Jan. 17 in The New York Times, Obama did the same setup and then added: “If I had gone last, I would have known what the game was. I could have said, ‘Well, you know, I like to help old ladies across the street. Sometimes they don’t want to be helped. It’s terrible.’”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8321.html

Three comments:

First, "If I had gone last, I would have known what the game was."

Russert's question is a routine interview question. I hate it, but anyone who has ever had trouble getting a job and had to survive a series of job interviews has answered it numerous times. It's the question the interviewer asks when he or she is looking for an excuse not to hire you. You are supposed to prepare an answer to that question that makes you look good before you start passing out your resume.

If Obama had ever really had to struggle to get a job, if he had ever read an article or a book on how to make it through a job interview, he would have been prepared for that question. Where were his handlers on this one?

Second, I am troubled that Obama did not understand why Edwards considers his powerful response to pain to be a fault. I know what Edwards is talking about. Edwards becomes extremely angry at injustice. So do I. I think I was born being angry at injustice. I remember having the feeling of outrage at a very early age. What I feel is total wrath. It's like extreme heat and a thunder storm and an earthquake all at once. It is not a positive, balanced emotion. Mind you, I'm not talking about the kind of anger you feel about things that immediately affect you. I'm talking about how angry I got as a very small child when I first heard adults say disparaging things about one of my playmates who had a disability.

I certainly would never do anything violent because of my anger at injustice, but I can lose balance and explode verbally to the discomfort of those around me because of it. And that is a fault. It sometimes makes me less effective than I would otherwise be. It certainly makes my blood pressure go up.

The good news is that, just as Obama can hire someone to straighten his papers, folks like Edwards and me who get overly angry at injustice can take blood pressure medication and consciously try to keep our lives balanced. Edwards runs every day. So do I. I have to run the same way Obama has to have someone to straighten his papers -- because otherwise my life and my emotional feelings for the pain of others get out of control.

I am troubled that Obama does not understand what Edwards is talking about. I am also troubled that Obama seems to think Edwards answered the question in a better way. I think they were both very honest. Does Obama have some kind of inferiority complex? Does he think his failings are worse than those of others? Haven't we had enough of presidents with psychological problems.

Third, back to "If I had gone last, I would have known what the game was."
Is Obama admitting that he needs more experience? That's how I hear what he said.

Anyway, I know I'm going to be either placed on ignore or bombarded with hate posts by Obama folks. But, I am posting this because I have the fault of getting very angry at injustice and responding too emotionally to people in pain. That's my fault, and Obama's ridiculing me and others who have that fault and the fact that he has no sympathy for our pain irks me.

And besides, because, like Edwards, I have to speak out when I see injustice. And Obama's statements show a lack of judgment, experience or respect for the pain of others. So be it. And, so now you know the real reason I am voting for Edwards today: I feel the same pain he does at the injustice in our society.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:07 PM
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1. The last loud gasp from the Hillary camp
Obama made fun of our dumb ass answers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. Correction: I'm from the Edwards camp.
I don't think you read all of my e-mail.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:22 PM
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22. Yeah, I like Edwards too
I wished he hadn't dropped out. Do you or anyone know exactly why he dropped out? I mean he made a pledge to stay in. I'd like to hear the honest truth if anyone knows. TIA :)
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:53 PM
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35. He suspended his campaign.
I just put two signs up for Edwards this morning. But I think a lot of people who would have voted for Edwards had he stayed in are voting for Hillary or Obama because they think Edwards dropped out.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:14 PM
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12. I'm from the Edwards supporters.
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 01:16 PM by jsamuel
Not everything is a Clinton conspiracy.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:31 PM
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29. I think I missed the part about Obama
making fun of Clinton's answer......
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:48 PM
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47. Obama makes fun of everyone he sees as his inferior. "You're likable enough." n/t
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:08 PM
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2. "Ah just Cay-er too muhch!" Please. It was a silly answer.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:12 PM
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10. Nice.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:46 PM
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34. And you just showed how much class and empathy you have
As Ben Franklin once said best to leave people wondering if you are a fool than open your mouth and dispel all doubt.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. I've proudly never claimed neither class NOR empathy on this forum.
But I know "Cheeseball" when I hear it. :D
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:08 PM
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3. with all due respect to your pain...

-edwards was trying to make himself look good

-the interview with obama was lighthearted and very funny.


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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:09 PM
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5. you are correct!!
Thank you for stating it so clearly and simply.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:12 PM
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11. Obama is shoving a man down who is already down.
That is mean and it irks me. Edwards would not have told such jokes about Obama had Obama suspended his campaign. Jokes tell a lot about the joke-writer. This one tells me that Obama is self-absorbed and doesn't have the ability to feel empathy for others in a deep way. That is the sign of a person who is not in touch with his own pain. I'm voting for Edwards.
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MediaBabe Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #3
25. Ya think?
"edwards was trying to make himself look good"

Well duh! Isn't that the whole point of campaigning? :silly:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:08 PM
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4. Cant you find something a "little" more recent to bash Obama with?
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 01:08 PM by DJ13
:eyes:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #4
33. ah yes--change the subject--Rovian tactic
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:10 PM
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7.  "I would have known what the game was"
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 01:11 PM by The_Casual_Observer
Just like his stand on Iraq now. The guy can't think on his feet.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:10 PM
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8. Obama was being honest, is there no merit in that?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:19 PM
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19. I have no problem with Obama's answer, and I mention that
he was honest. But I have a problem that he did not understand Edwards' answer and why Edwards' emotional response to pain is a problem for Edwards (and probably for people around him). Edwards had the good fortune and the good sense to marry a woman who shares his passion about alleviating the suffering of others and fighting wrong. If Elizabeth did not share Edwards' extreme passion in these areas, it would be very difficult for Edwards.

It is that passion that anger at the suffering of the weak that made Edwards become a plaintiff's attorney and that motivated his campaign. It is interesting to me that Obama does not appreciate or understand just what it is that motivates Edwards -- that pain at the suffering of others.

I volunteered at a hospital for a while when I was a teenager. Watching others in pain was so horrible to me that I could not do my work well. I actually felt the pain of the people I was supposed to be around. That is the kind of emotional response that I believe Edwards was talking about.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:12 PM
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9. Why are you scared? Hillary is doing great. What more do you want? Sad. nt
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:19 PM
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20. I'm an Edwards supporter, not a Hillary supporter.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:14 PM
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13. Edwards answered a question about a weakness with a strength
You should have a powerful response to suffering.

If Edwards honestly thinks that's a weakness, you should be troubled by that.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:21 PM
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21. I happen to have the same weakness.
As I explained, it is a weakness because it can cause you to be consumed by it. I explain this in responses to other posts. Feeling empathy for others is a strength only if it is in moderation.

Obama's messiness is merely the strength of being able to see the big picture and focus in chaos taken to an extreme. Our weaknesses are usually the flip side of our strengths.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:27 PM
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23. Yeah, I see your point about the two sides but I still say O sounded honest and E sounded cheesy.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:32 PM
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30. That's because you understand Obama's fault which is more
common, but you don't understand Edwards' fault which may not be so familiar to you. It is extremely familiar to me and has caused me to offend many a very good person. So it is a fault. It makes me seem very angry and argumentative to people who I think have abused some privilege or taken advantage of another person. It causes me to be staunchly on the side of the underdog sometimes to the point of losing a balanced perspective.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:14 PM
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14. I understand what you are saying.......and I even understand why you are taking
that comment the way that you are taking it

But I must say that Caring for the poor is not a weakness....it is a strength of character and of empathy. It is a value that is a plus, not a minus.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:28 PM
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24. Very much so. Provided it does not put you out of balance
and burn you out and alienate you from others. As I said to another poster, our greatest strength is usually also our greatest weakness.

Obama says his weakness is messiness and losing things. His strength is his ability to see the big picture and focus on what is most important. Two sides of the same characteristic. The good side is very strong in him and is one of the things that is charismatic about Obama. The downside is -- his desk is a mess and he needs a good secretary.

As I explained, we all have to accept and learn to work with our own strengths/weaknesses. That is a part of becoming mature.

I thought the question was just awful, and I think Obama should have let go of his answer. No one judged him harshly for his honest answer. But his talking about it later concerns me. I don't think he should have doubts about what he said if he gave an honest answer. And I thought the person who was out of place was Hillary who was scolding Obama for being who he is. It wasn't Edwards who was being just as honest as Obama.

I'll bet that Elizabeth Edwards understood why John Edwards thought that was his fault. She has probably told him to relax many, many times when he gets upset about someone's painful situation. His feeling of pain is what motivated him to be such a successful advocate on behalf of his clients. But it probably also pushes his blood pressure up if he is not careful.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:16 PM
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15. This is part of what bothers me about Obama
"If I had gone last, I would have known what the game was."

There's more than a whiff of "How dare you not give me an advantage?" here. The primaries are an enormous vetting process, a series of job interviews magnified. I actually liked Obamas answer; it was lighthearted and real. I don't know why he feels the need to mock Edwards (whose support he would kill for right now). You answer that question in one of two ways...as Obama did, showing a real but ultimately inconsequential weakness, or as Edwards did, showing a weakness that can be taken for a strength.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:18 PM
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16. Obama was mocking himself in a self-deprecating way.
I'm sorry you can't see that.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:30 PM
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27. I agree with AtomicKitten.
The OP seems to be saying that Obama should have pre-prepared an answer that would make him look good.

Obama believes that folks will trust him more if he keeps it real and tells it straight.
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:30 PM
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28. Exactly...not sure how people are missing this.
eom
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:18 PM
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17. Here you are:
I think you have zip in the way of perspective and that you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. I do have to ask where you stood when Edwards made his nasty crack about Hillary in NH after she got emotional, though. Were you just as full of outrage as you are now? No? Didn't think so. That's what's called hypocrisy. And hypocrisy often comes dressed up in creepy sanctimony.

As for Edwards- he's never done a tenth for the disenfranchised and poor what Obama has. All words. NEVER action. And no, for fuck's sake, making big bucks as a trial attny doesn't count. And working for Fortress and investing in it, makes him just as much a corporatist as anyone- or more so. He never did anything but talk.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:29 PM
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26. What do you think Edwards did as a plaintiff"s lawyer/
He fought tooth and nail for victims of corporate greed. That's what he did. If that isn't working for justice, I don't know what is.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:34 PM
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32. I think he made millions, so it's never to be known what his chief
motivation was. I've known a couple of very wealthy trial lawyers who made millions for plaintiffs and weren't paragons of social justice by any means. And Obama got out of Columbia, went to the poorest part of Chicago and worked as a Community organizer to better the lives of people there, and he did it for very little money. He then went to law school. And he walked out of Harvard Law with a golden ticket that he DIDN'T cash in. He went back to Chicago and worked as civil rights lawyer. Words count. Actions count. Both together have a greater weight.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:56 PM
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49. A jury of peers of the plaintiff(s) and defendant(s) awarded those millions.
Edwards didn't waltz into the courtroom and the defense attorneys all swooned and wrote him a big check. He worked his ass off for his clients.

The juries ultimately decide the amount of damages that should be awarded in their verdict.

Apparently Barack's heart wasn't really into sacrificing his career for others, so he began climbing the ladder once he decided to move on.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:18 PM
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18. My biggest weakness is losing papers. Oh, and letting slumlords finance my houses
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:34 PM
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31. Again another thread on this
I hope you join in on my thread, which is every bit as sincere as HC and JE's answers, and these threads. :patriot:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4405906
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:56 PM
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37. much ado about nothing
A wholly contrived outrage.

John was a great candidate, but he's gone now. This is like when your girlfriend dumps you and you have to stop pining about her day and night. I hope you'll move on and stop trying to find something in Obama to dislike because you need to.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:01 PM
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38. Ok as a former Edwards Supporter
And hopefully future Edwards supporter, when watching the debate i "pfah" 'd at HRC and Edwards' answers.

I'm sorry for you that Obama keeps playing that embarassing moment over and over again, but both HRC and Edwards vomited pink licorice all over the American people with that response. Personally I was insulted for everyone in this country at the BS that came from their mouths. I don't think they even expected you to believe it.

Please put the victim card away... the edges are starting to wear thin and even when you shuffle I can pick it out of the deck ;)
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:40 PM
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44. If that topic reaches into your gut and doesn't let go
you *get* it.

If it is simply a side topic, you won't.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:05 PM
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39. I'm sorry, but the question is looking for a flaw you see in yourself. Edwards gave a postive trait.
And the notion that "You are supposed to prepare an answer to that question that makes you look good before you start passing out your resume," is exactly your problem. An employer doesn't want you to juast 'give an answer that makes you look good'. They want to see how honest you are in your evaluations of your own flaws, to show you know where you need to improve.

Does Edwards need to improve on his 'powerful response to pain'?

First, where was that 'powerful response to pain' when he was voting to deprive poor people -- folks in desperate financial pain -- from the protections of bankruptcy? Doesn't seem to have stopped him there.

Second, even if we assume the answer is genuine, your whole post is about why you think it's a positive trait, not a negative one.

Obama rightly called both Hillary and Edwards on the carpet for giving evasive, disingenuous non-answers. The laughter his observation generates is the best proof of that. We all see it. You should too.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:05 PM
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40. My greatest weakness as a candidate:
I care too much about the little people.

Oy.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:40 PM
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45. In other words -- I can't look objectively about it
because it is too deeply personal.

Some of us understand that.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:47 PM
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46. I'd have been more interested in an honest, unscripted answer.
I found Edwards' response to be calculated and a tad cloying. But I guess I'm a cynical rat bastard.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:11 PM
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41. Yeah - Like Obama says they want to stew him some more - Make him play the game!
Oh yeah - he isn't ready because he isn't trying to be anything but himself - honest!!!!!!!!!

Just like Michelle - they are not your typical Beltway couple - Thank God!!!!!!!!

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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:13 PM
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42. and ...
obama's "If I had gone last, I would have known what the game was."

tells me that he is a man without center, or spine, or principle. that he thinks life is a game and that rather than shoot straight, he needs to play a game which may not be the one being served to him.

Obama is an invention of the press, the kennedys, the oprah winfreys and the maria shrivers.

in other words, i think obama is a manipulator, a whiner and a complainer and i think that the press, the kennedys, the oprah winfreys and the maria shrivers are serving the public a load of bull.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:39 PM
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43. This must be one of those things that you have to understand it
before you *get* it.

I get it.

Well stated.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:51 PM
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48. I just noticed: It's another round of "WHAT OBAMA REALLY MEANT."
W.O.R.M.
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